I have purchased and returned every pillow at Bed, Bath, and Beyond.
December 16, 2014 7:16 AM   Subscribe

I need help finding a pillow. I have read through the posts by other people who needed help finding a pillow, but no one seems to have had the specific issues I have, so, I pose to you this question.

Here are some factors that make this hard:
- I am a variable sleeper--back, side, and sometimes even stomach. This varies by night and by hour. This is not changeable. I move while I'm sleeping.

- I am very wee, with narrower shoulders than the average pillow user.

- I run cold, and I have a great deal of long, very very thick hair that insulates my head. I recognize this is a bizarre statement when discussing pillows, but I swear it is relevant because I think it is why all the memory foam pillows I've tried feel like bricks--my head doesn't warm them up to make them soft and denty.


You ask: what did I do with pillows before now? Well, I moved in with my boyfriend a few months ago, and that sparked a pillow change. When I lived by myself, this is how I did pillows: I had a queen sized bed, and in it, I had two head pillows--both old, softish and flattish, one a bit squishier than the other, side by side, a tiny bit overlapped. Different ways of overlapping them provided the right level of height and support for the different positions. Now that I share a bed with someone, I cannot have this many pillows (I also have a cuddle pillow to squish when I sleep on my side) and I need to make this work with one head pillow.

(Before you ask why I don't try just one of the pillows I used to have: I threw those away when I moved because they were very old and I mistakenly believed that I could do better. I have yet to do so. I regret this nightly.)

My main complaint with the cornucopia of pillows I have purchased and returned to Bed, Bath, and Beyond is that they are too tall. I guess "lofty" is the pillow industry term. I don't know if I'm really that much tinier than the average pillow user, but these pillows make me feel like I'm half sitting up when I lay on my back (and yes, these were all "back and stomach sleeper" pillows--the side sleeper ones even looked too tall in the store). I hate them and bid them good riddance. Here are all the pillows I've tried and what I found wrong with them:


-A down pillow from BB&B I don't remember the brand of, but it was expensive (ie, a nice, real down pillow): Not too tall, but too fluffy. It was sort of ok when I was on my back, but When I was on my side, it popped up in my face and I hated it. I liked the adaptability of it, but the too-fluffiness was a big problem, and it also had no support for when I was on my side.

-MyPillow: I hate this pillow; I resent that it is deemed to be mine. It feels like sleeping on packaging peanuts and I have to readjust it all night, and it is way, way, way too tall for back sleeping, even the back/side sleeper one I bought. The height was somewhat ok for side, but the texture was still terrible.

-A Stearns and Foster pillow managed to be both too fluffy and too tall. Also, it seemed to be more supportive in the middle of the pillow, and floppier on the edges, whereas I believe I would prefer the opposite, for neck support. Anyway, this one was the suckiest of the suckpillows I tried and I'm ashamed to have used it even once.

-Last night's cause of misery, the Therapedic Memorelle Back/Stomach Sleeper Pillow was a good texture, but also way, way too tall, and also seemed more supportive/thick in the middle than I would like, and less supportive/thick on the edges. Who likes pillows to be like this!?

-My boyfriend's tiny tiny Tempurpedic neck pillow is a good shape for when I sleep on my back, but it feels like a brick to me (possibly for aforementioned hair insulation reasons), and it is no good for sleeping on my side at all.

My ideal pillow would be loosely shaped like the tiny tempurpedic neck pillow (with the greater support on the outside as opposed to the middle of the pillow), but maybe a TINY bit taller so I could sleep on my side too, and a great deal more adjustable, with a much different texture, because memory foam feels like a brick. This pillow does not seem to exist, at least at Bed, Bath, and Beyond. But maybe you know of a pillow somewhere else that meets my ridiculous requirements? I prefer not to order online, but would consider it at this point.

Help? I am tired.
posted by millipede to Home & Garden (36 answers total) 6 users marked this as a favorite
 
Angled side-sleeper pillow. Contour flip pillow.
posted by Buttons Bellbottom at 7:21 AM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


I can't recommend a Soba pillow enough.

It's stuffed with soba/buckwheat hulls. My mom bought mine in Japan, and it's lasted for years. You can shape it exactly how you want it, and it stays that way. Great neck support.

You can buy a Sobakowa pillow at Walgreens to check it out, but for $20, try the real thing.

Love, love, love it!
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 7:21 AM on December 16, 2014 [7 favorites]


It's ridiculously expensive, but I have had a Scandia Down Copenhagen Pillow for almost 20 years now, and it's exactly what you're describing. Go for ultra-soft, because that will squish to exactly whatever you want. It's totally malleable and very cool and comfy.

REALLY an indulgence, but I haven't had a purchase that I've stood by more.
posted by xingcat at 7:25 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I have a soft, thinnish down pillow from IKEA that's perfect for my shifts between side and back. It's soft enough and malleable enough and comfy. Wasn't expensive either. Can you get to an IKEA and poke around among their pillows?
posted by leslies at 7:28 AM on December 16, 2014


How long have you tried each of these pillows? I find brand new pillows to be too tall for a little while but after a week or two, they're great! I buy down alternative ones at Costco and at first I only need one, then as they age I have to stack em.
posted by masquesoporfavor at 7:30 AM on December 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


This one was pretty bad: Side Sleeper firm pillow with ear hole.
posted by Buttons Bellbottom at 7:30 AM on December 16, 2014


I think the secret will be going for a super cheap pillow, not any of these fancy sciencey ones. Try ikea, try target, and stay on the low-priced, not-at-all-special end, the kind marketed to college students, just marketed as "soft pillow."
posted by you're a kitty! at 7:32 AM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I was coming in to say down alternative from Costco, so I'll second it instead. I always go to sleep on my side/stomach, and wake up on my back, and a slightly-older-but-not-ancient Costco down alternative is perfect for me. Regular sized, not king sized is important, because if it's too big I can't move it and reshape it in my sleep.
posted by instamatic at 7:37 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I have this same problem, plus the added bonus of a neck injury to correctly support. I think you're going about this wrong, because people will not really truly understand what you mean by flat soft adjustable pillow; instead you should try reading amazon reviews for down pillows that people hated because they weren't poofy enough. Other good sources for correctly malleable pillows will be an elderly relative's linen closet. My favourite most neck-happy pillows are down pillows that are ancient and probably gross but can be shaped into the ideal head nest. They were from Restoration Hardware and took at least 6 months of grumpy midnight punching to become the pillows I wanted them to be.

Pacific Coast makes a down pillow with a head dent in the center (i think it's called the "nook") that might meet your needs, but I haven't tried it personally; the pillows I have from them have never become super flopsy in the way that I need, so they remain side-sleeping-clutching pillows instead.
posted by poffin boffin at 7:45 AM on December 16, 2014


I have had all the same problems as you for pillows and the solution for me has been pillows that are memory foam on one side and regular fill on the other (NOT the ones with concentric fills. Half-and-half or sometimes called "reversible".)

This is the one I purchased most recently. I like these kinds of pillows because the memory foam gives it enough support but it's not the full height of the pillow so it's not too tall or too hard, and the regular fill side makes it squishy and comfortable. I usually sleep with the squishy side up but sometimes when my neck is sore and I need more support I will sleep with the memory foam side up.

I am small, and a side AND back AND stomach sleeper.

BB&B pillows are all GARBAGE.
posted by misskaz at 7:49 AM on December 16, 2014


I think the secret will be going for a super cheap pillow, not any of these fancy sciencey ones. Try ikea, try target, and stay on the low-priced, not-at-all-special end, the kind marketed to college students, just marketed as "soft pillow."

Yeah, this is what I came to say, too. I think you actually have very pedestrian pillow needs and are running into problems because you're buying pillows for snowflakes. I highly recommend a trip to Target. Target has these pillows that are super cheap (I think they come in a two pack for $6) that I think are just about what you're looking for. It's funny, I own several of these pillows despite having snowflake pillow needs personally. I have them so that I always have an extra pillow if needed and also so my dog can sleep on a pillow without crapping up an expensive pillow. These cheapass pillows are almost universally the ones preferred by people who stay at my house when I give them pillow choices. "Seriously?" I will say, "but this one here is so much nicer!" "I don't care this one is so sooooofffft."

So that is what I recommend. Go to Target and get the cheapest polyfil pillows and see how those work out for you before you try a single other pillow more than ten bucks.
posted by phunniemee at 7:49 AM on December 16, 2014


How long have you tried each of these pillows? I find brand new pillows to be too tall for a little while but after a week or two, they're great!

Seconding this.

I'm not really happy with new pillows for three or more months sometimes.
posted by fairmettle at 7:53 AM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


I buy cheap pillows then jam them between the mattress and the box spring for a week or so to get them good and shitty, just the way I like.
posted by saradarlin at 8:06 AM on December 16, 2014 [5 favorites]


I think I have the same shoulder issue because every damn pillow is way too high and bends my neck when I'm on my side, except for the ancient down ones that have lost some of their filling. If I ever need to replace the ones I have I'll probably buy an expensive down pillow and cut a hole in it and let some of the down out, maybe make another pillow out of it. On by back I just double it up or use tow, they do not take up much room.
posted by mareli at 8:07 AM on December 16, 2014


Maybe a buckwheat hull pillow? They sort of mold to your head. I love them & have used them for years, actually I buy buckwheat hulls & sew my own but you can buy them. They're a little pricy & take some getting used to, they're kind of loud compared to poly-fill or down pillows. They really do mold into whatever shape your head makes on them, I like to burrow in at night.
posted by RichardHenryYarbo at 8:12 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


You don't need a fancier pillow. You need an OLDER pillow. Pillows degrade and "flatten" with time. My boyfriend sleeps with an insane flotilla of pillows surrounding him. When his start to get TOO flat, he rotates them to ME, and I use them, and they're perfect. For now, get a polyfill stomach-sleeper pillow, rip out 1/4 of the stuffing, sew it up, then run it through the dryer a few times.
posted by julthumbscrew at 8:24 AM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Check this out! Make your own pillow, adjust the amount of filling!
posted by mareli at 8:28 AM on December 16, 2014


The answer to my pillow woes was latex foam - not memory foam! Latex foam doesn't need to be warm to be smooshy but it has a nice spring to it, and you can find various heights and firmnesses online.
posted by oblique red at 8:59 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Thirding that buckwheat pillows are what you need! Got ours on Amazon
posted by atlantica at 9:03 AM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Response by poster: Hm. I never heard of these buckwheat pillows some of you are recommending. A bit of googling says that they tend to be firm, though? That makes me worried that I will find them as brick-like as the memory foam. I definitely prefer a squishy pillow, not a hard one.
posted by millipede at 9:27 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I have a shredded foam pillow and it's the best thing in the entire world. Primarily because it's fully adjustable:
1) I can add and remove foam at will (not like, in the middle of the night, but I spent a few weeks futzing with it when I got it, and now like a year later that some of it has settled a bit I added some back of the stuff I took out originally to plump it up again)
2) It's super squishable around, so as I move around in the night I can either find the high points and the low points for what I need in that moment or move it around myself if I need to.
3) Since it's a bunch of little pieces, it's never done that horrible ear-hurting thing that tempurpedic pillows do to those of us with light/cold heads
4) It manages to be both firm (in that in holds my head where I want it to) and soft (in that it's actually comfortable to put my head on).

Now, the one I bought I got at a super fancy organic mattress store and paid an embarrassing amount for and I don't know what brand it is anyway. Amazon has this one with good reviews, but I can't vouch for that brand specifically.
posted by brainmouse at 9:27 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Hmm I just poked around Amazon and I actually think I have this one specifically. It's made from bamboo foam instead of latex foam. Whether that matters... shrug, but I like it.
posted by brainmouse at 9:29 AM on December 16, 2014


I got my husband this pillow because he likes a cool pillow and was pleased to find that it's wonderfully soft and squishy and works for lying in all sorts of positions, including on my side. I like a very squishy pillow, too. It is wonderfully squishy.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 9:53 AM on December 16, 2014


I know exactly what you're talking about--all over the place, you need a bunch of old, soft, squishy feather pillows. I dread the idea of not packing a pillow when traveling, because OMG how do people sleep with their necks all bent like that? What you do is this, if you have to get a new one: make it old. Find a -down- pillow you can live with, that isn't too expensive. Run it through the laundry on hot, and the dryer on medium. A few times. Several times. Do it again. Beat that sucker up! Still too poofy? When it's really good and dry (do you have a sewing machine? if you don't, it's ok, bear with me) gently rip out about four inches of thread on a seam, pull out the excess down, and sew it up good and tight. Or you could have a dry cleaner do the last part, if you know how much you want them to remove. Good luck!!
posted by mimi at 10:33 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I agree with julthumbscrew - you're looking for an old pillow. New pillows are too...fluffy. Something that will help is throwing them in a washing machine for a couple of cycles.
posted by General Malaise at 11:27 AM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I am a recent convert to buckwheat pillows (exact kind Ruthless Bunny links to above), and they are definitely NOT brick-like in any way. IMO they would be perfect for the preferences you describe!
posted by anotherthink at 11:31 AM on December 16, 2014


Make your own pillow, adjust the amount of filling!

I have a variation of this (not buckwheat, but some weird wool flake filling. My pillow is old and disgusting and I love it). Anyway, what makes this pillow great is that it's big and pretty underfilled. So I can scrunch it up to sleep on my side, and flatten it out to sleep on my back.

I don't know where my pillow was purchased, but I get the same effect from my friend's Ikea pillows, so this is where I'll eventually get my replacement from.
posted by ClarissaWAM at 11:45 AM on December 16, 2014


I have a shredded foam pillow like brainmouse has, and I love it for all of the same reasons. I had similar problems finding a memory foam pillow that supported my neck without being too high, and this shredded foam stuff is perfect. I also took some of the foam out after I got it (and I didn't keep it, which I am now regretting, because now I would like to put a little more back in). You can shape it however you need it to be shaped, and it holds that shape pretty well. I move around in my sleep too (like a rotisserie chicken), and I find that it keeps its shape best when I'm on my side and worst when I'm on my back (but still decent, and it holds long enough for me to rotate again anyway. (That's why I want some of the foam I took out back; I think that would solve that minor problem. If you get one, keep the foam you take out!))
posted by Weeping_angel at 11:50 AM on December 16, 2014


*mine is latex, not bamboo; I have no idea if bamboo or latex foam is better
posted by Weeping_angel at 11:52 AM on December 16, 2014


Nth-ing the buckwheat pilllow. Best way to describe them is moldable, I think. They alleviated the persistent cervical pain I had experienced from normal pillows for years. I actually travel with one, that's how good they are.
posted by longdaysjourney at 12:46 PM on December 16, 2014


Came to Nth buckwheat as well.

If you have ever had a bean bag as a toy, that might give you some idea of what they are like. The buckwheat can slosh around and move and you can shape it how you want, like a pile of sand in a bag or something like that. It is loose fill and you can give it the shape you want.

I have had a couple of different sizes and how big they are can also matter. So if the first one you try doesn't fit the bill, consider either larger or smaller. It takes a bit of getting used to but this was one of my favorite pillows.
posted by Michele in California at 12:53 PM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Since all the cool kids are doing it, I'll chime in with my recommendation of the buckwheat pillow as well.
posted by The Deej at 1:02 PM on December 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


I have a buckwheat pillow from bucky.com You can also ask for millet hulls instead of buckwheat hulls. They also have a travel sized version that is one side buckwheat and one side millet. You can add or remove hulls to your liking and you can easily shift the hulls inside to make the pillow as thick or as thin as you like while sleeping. I like it thin for sleeping on my back and as I shift to the side while sleeping I reach one hand and mold the buckwheat pillow to a thicker size to support my neck.

Millet hulls tend to be softer than buckwheat hulls if you prefer that.
posted by rancher at 2:33 PM on December 16, 2014


You say you're concerned about it being too firm. The squishiness of the soba in the pillow makes it nice and...squishy.

It's firm in that you can mold it, and it will support your neck, and it's squishy enough to get it the exact consistency you like it for sleeping.
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 2:35 PM on December 16, 2014


Agreeing with the recommendation to get a down pillow and wash & dry the hell out of it until you've aged it to your liking. (I think memory foam pillows are hard too.)
posted by PorcineWithMe at 5:16 PM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Maybe the slender bed pillow from the Vermont Country Store?
posted by Lexica at 5:49 PM on December 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


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