Can I update my Macbook and should I?
September 24, 2022 11:13 AM Subscribe
I've got a used, refurbished Macbook Pro from 2011 and I'm curious if it's possible to update it, and if it is possible, if I should. I saw some similar asks from about ten years ago, and it's 2022 now so I figure it's okay to ask again.
Here's the situation:
- I am not tech-savvy, a dev, etc. I trust MeFi more than Reddit or just blindly asking questions at the local repair place.
- I've been using Macs all my life and I'm really comfortable with them (and for better or worse, am unfortunately kinda trapped in their ecosystem). I am not gonna switch to PC, not gonna learn to use Linux, not gonna build my own computer, etc.
- I have a used, refurbished MacbookPro from 2011 that I bought in 2017:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP619?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
It's running MacOS 10.12.6 (Sierra (not High Sierra)), with an 2.3 GHz i5 Intel Core and 8 gigs of memory (both slots in use). I'm almost certain it's HDD and not SSD (I don't really know the difference except that SSD is better for reasons?). I don't really know how to know which it is by looking at the tech specs but I found an email from when I was looking to buy the Macbook asking how much it would cost to upgrade to SSD and I know the prices in the reply would've been too high for me at the time. The hard drive is 480 GB; my space is almost all used up so I use external drives extensively, plugged into a USB hub. Almost everything important to me is on various external drives.
Also, the Macbook's battery stopped working a while ago so it always has to be plugged in.
- I've been unable to update my OS beyond Sierra, at least the conventional way (clicking About This Mac and then System Updates; it always says there's no update available). iTunes can't update beyond 12.8.3.
- Stuff I love about this Mac: It has an optical drive (DVD/CD drive)! It has a headphone jack! It has a regular degular USB port! I'm already using a USB hub and I like that I don't need to plug a million other dongles into it just to be able to put CDs into my computer or whatever. Plus, it's a workhorse and it works really well for my purposes which are:
* writing
* browsing
* digitally hoarding various media (so a lot of downloading)
* listening to music
* sometimes: Photoshop (don't use it much, but when I do, I use it extensively, if that makes sense)
* FinalCutPro / video editing (see above)
* playing Sims 4 or the few games that a computer like this can actually load, lol; another "do it in rare big bursts" thing
- The minus sides: because I can't update the OS (I don't think? At least not by conventional means?), it does mean there's a lot of software I can't use, a lot of software that's no longer supported, etc.
So my question is: is it possible to refurbish this Mac any more than it already has been? (I think it originally came with 4GB RAM but I had another 4GB added to another slot). And is it possible to somehow upgrade the OS without making it run like molasses?
I really like this thing! I just don't love what Apple's been doing with their newer devices by taking away stuff that I like.
Thank you, MeFites!
Here's the situation:
- I am not tech-savvy, a dev, etc. I trust MeFi more than Reddit or just blindly asking questions at the local repair place.
- I've been using Macs all my life and I'm really comfortable with them (and for better or worse, am unfortunately kinda trapped in their ecosystem). I am not gonna switch to PC, not gonna learn to use Linux, not gonna build my own computer, etc.
- I have a used, refurbished MacbookPro from 2011 that I bought in 2017:
https://support.apple.com/kb/SP619?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
It's running MacOS 10.12.6 (Sierra (not High Sierra)), with an 2.3 GHz i5 Intel Core and 8 gigs of memory (both slots in use). I'm almost certain it's HDD and not SSD (I don't really know the difference except that SSD is better for reasons?). I don't really know how to know which it is by looking at the tech specs but I found an email from when I was looking to buy the Macbook asking how much it would cost to upgrade to SSD and I know the prices in the reply would've been too high for me at the time. The hard drive is 480 GB; my space is almost all used up so I use external drives extensively, plugged into a USB hub. Almost everything important to me is on various external drives.
Also, the Macbook's battery stopped working a while ago so it always has to be plugged in.
- I've been unable to update my OS beyond Sierra, at least the conventional way (clicking About This Mac and then System Updates; it always says there's no update available). iTunes can't update beyond 12.8.3.
- Stuff I love about this Mac: It has an optical drive (DVD/CD drive)! It has a headphone jack! It has a regular degular USB port! I'm already using a USB hub and I like that I don't need to plug a million other dongles into it just to be able to put CDs into my computer or whatever. Plus, it's a workhorse and it works really well for my purposes which are:
* writing
* browsing
* digitally hoarding various media (so a lot of downloading)
* listening to music
* sometimes: Photoshop (don't use it much, but when I do, I use it extensively, if that makes sense)
* FinalCutPro / video editing (see above)
* playing Sims 4 or the few games that a computer like this can actually load, lol; another "do it in rare big bursts" thing
- The minus sides: because I can't update the OS (I don't think? At least not by conventional means?), it does mean there's a lot of software I can't use, a lot of software that's no longer supported, etc.
So my question is: is it possible to refurbish this Mac any more than it already has been? (I think it originally came with 4GB RAM but I had another 4GB added to another slot). And is it possible to somehow upgrade the OS without making it run like molasses?
I really like this thing! I just don't love what Apple's been doing with their newer devices by taking away stuff that I like.
Thank you, MeFites!
That Mac is several years beyond its supported lifespan by any metric. The average supported lifespan of a new Mac model seems to be around 7 years, with two caveats:
(1) Macs released in the last couple years before a CPU transition seem to get cut off more quickly than mid-processor-lifecycle Macs. If you look at this Ars breakdown you'll see dips in the graphs corresponding to the last two years of PowerPC Macs leading up to the Intel transition (which started in 2006), and a slow ramp up in supported life for the first couple Mac models with Intel CPUs (for various reasons the 2008 models were the first with practical long term support). You'll also see a second drop-off happening starting around 2016, which seems to be related to the current transition to Apple silicon.
(2) Ars concludes that trend line for long term support may indicate a more aggressive stance from Apple and not just be related to the current CPU transition, but it could still be too early to tell. Apple's support for its own silicon on iPhone seems to run a minimum of five years, longer than almost every Android phone, and is often more for certain models. Apple's support for Mac hardware has been longer than that for the most part, but right now it's looking like it's being capped at five years from release.
Based on current trends I wouldn't expect OS updates beyond Ventura for any Mac released in 2017 [LOOKS ASKANCE AT 2017 IMAC] and I'd be really uncomfortable buying or recommending any refurbished Mac with an Intel processor as it sure looks like its lifespan would be limited. I'm no good at reading the tea leaves on whether the first M1 models will get more than five years of support or if there will be some technical consideration that pushes them out of support faster the same way the first Intel Macs suffered.
In other words, be very wary of any used or refurbished Mac right now if long term support is important to you. With Intel Macs the writing is clearly on the wall, and with Apple silicon it's still too early to tell any given model will be supported.
posted by fedward at 12:03 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
(1) Macs released in the last couple years before a CPU transition seem to get cut off more quickly than mid-processor-lifecycle Macs. If you look at this Ars breakdown you'll see dips in the graphs corresponding to the last two years of PowerPC Macs leading up to the Intel transition (which started in 2006), and a slow ramp up in supported life for the first couple Mac models with Intel CPUs (for various reasons the 2008 models were the first with practical long term support). You'll also see a second drop-off happening starting around 2016, which seems to be related to the current transition to Apple silicon.
(2) Ars concludes that trend line for long term support may indicate a more aggressive stance from Apple and not just be related to the current CPU transition, but it could still be too early to tell. Apple's support for its own silicon on iPhone seems to run a minimum of five years, longer than almost every Android phone, and is often more for certain models. Apple's support for Mac hardware has been longer than that for the most part, but right now it's looking like it's being capped at five years from release.
Based on current trends I wouldn't expect OS updates beyond Ventura for any Mac released in 2017 [LOOKS ASKANCE AT 2017 IMAC] and I'd be really uncomfortable buying or recommending any refurbished Mac with an Intel processor as it sure looks like its lifespan would be limited. I'm no good at reading the tea leaves on whether the first M1 models will get more than five years of support or if there will be some technical consideration that pushes them out of support faster the same way the first Intel Macs suffered.
In other words, be very wary of any used or refurbished Mac right now if long term support is important to you. With Intel Macs the writing is clearly on the wall, and with Apple silicon it's still too early to tell any given model will be supported.
posted by fedward at 12:03 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
I have a refurbished Macbook Pro from mid-2012 and it's still letting me update - I'm currently running Catalina. I, too, do not want to live without things like an earphone jack (essential for work Zoom). I completely relate to not wanting a new model. You might think about upgrading to a Mid 2012 or 2013 Macbook Pro.
posted by mulcahy at 12:07 PM on September 24, 2022
posted by mulcahy at 12:07 PM on September 24, 2022
Not to get too off-topic, but they all have headphone jacks. Even the MacBook with almost no other ports. That is not a reason to not upgrade. The other issues (cost, of course, above all) certainly make sense.
posted by primethyme at 12:24 PM on September 24, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by primethyme at 12:24 PM on September 24, 2022 [6 favorites]
Several upgrades are definitely possible (I have a 2012 Macbook Pro & have done all of these upgrades myself), but there are some major caveats.
Apple-supported updates will at best at Mojave or Catalina for this computer (and possibly at an earlier OS - I don't see 2011 Macbook Pros on the eligibility list for Mojave, which is concerning). You may need to manually download OS updates or find someone who has a downloaded version of those OS upgrades to help you upgrade (when you get too far behind, the Apple Store doesn't always make links for intervening OS releases available, and the software update system doesn't always correctly find them.) Note that if you have an older non-subscription version of Photoshop (Photoshop CS6), you may not want to upgrade to Catalina even if you can: 32-bit software is no longer supported in that version of macOS, so older versions of Photoshop won't work. This might be true for FinalCutPro too.
Hardware updates are very do-able, and you could actually see some pretty significant performance boosts: You can certainly replace the battery (via OWC if not via Apple). You can definitely replace the HDD with an SSD (you'll absolutely see a speed increase) or a much larger HDD (more storage.) And you can upgrade the RAM to 2x8GB (16 GB total) - a lot of the MacBook Pro models around then could actually go up to 16 GB despite Apple's official specs saying 8 GB. (True for my 2012 15" Macbook Pro too.)
BUT. A big question is whether you should sink a bunch of money into these hardware upgrades. Mojave has already stopped getting security updates, and Catalina (if your computer can even be upgraded to it, and if you are willing to sacrifice your ability to use 32-bit software like the versions of Photoshop and FinalCutPro I suspect you have) is next on the chopping block. You'll be using any OS that can't be updated at your own risk, at least if you keep it connected to the internet - and some of the things you want to be able to do require the internet. Broadly, these would have been great upgrades five years ago; I'm not sure I can in good conscience recommend spending time and especially money on them now, even as someone else with a superannuated (and heavily upgraded) Macbook Pro.
posted by ASF Tod und Schwerkraft at 12:37 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
Apple-supported updates will at best at Mojave or Catalina for this computer (and possibly at an earlier OS - I don't see 2011 Macbook Pros on the eligibility list for Mojave, which is concerning). You may need to manually download OS updates or find someone who has a downloaded version of those OS upgrades to help you upgrade (when you get too far behind, the Apple Store doesn't always make links for intervening OS releases available, and the software update system doesn't always correctly find them.) Note that if you have an older non-subscription version of Photoshop (Photoshop CS6), you may not want to upgrade to Catalina even if you can: 32-bit software is no longer supported in that version of macOS, so older versions of Photoshop won't work. This might be true for FinalCutPro too.
Hardware updates are very do-able, and you could actually see some pretty significant performance boosts: You can certainly replace the battery (via OWC if not via Apple). You can definitely replace the HDD with an SSD (you'll absolutely see a speed increase) or a much larger HDD (more storage.) And you can upgrade the RAM to 2x8GB (16 GB total) - a lot of the MacBook Pro models around then could actually go up to 16 GB despite Apple's official specs saying 8 GB. (True for my 2012 15" Macbook Pro too.)
BUT. A big question is whether you should sink a bunch of money into these hardware upgrades. Mojave has already stopped getting security updates, and Catalina (if your computer can even be upgraded to it, and if you are willing to sacrifice your ability to use 32-bit software like the versions of Photoshop and FinalCutPro I suspect you have) is next on the chopping block. You'll be using any OS that can't be updated at your own risk, at least if you keep it connected to the internet - and some of the things you want to be able to do require the internet. Broadly, these would have been great upgrades five years ago; I'm not sure I can in good conscience recommend spending time and especially money on them now, even as someone else with a superannuated (and heavily upgraded) Macbook Pro.
posted by ASF Tod und Schwerkraft at 12:37 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
I looked at Everymac for an early 2011 MacBook Pro, 2.3 GHz i5, 13". I think this is the Everymac entry for it.
The newest OS version it can run is 10.13, and I'll note that 10.15, Catalina, is likely to stop being supported in October. (My current 2012 MacBook Pro runs on that.) If you want to download 10.13, High Sierra, here's a Mac App Store link from my bookmarks. You might check to see if, say, Chrome and Firefox even offer upgrades for your computer, still. I think that Mojave, 10.14, is the oldest one they support.
You could probably double the RAM; OWC has that for $45 to $50. You could similarly increase the storage, or switch to SSD. The Everymac page links suppliers for batteries and maybe also other items that would give you ideas.
I briefly went looking for a replacement Mac this week; I decided to wait until October, as MacRumors sorta expects new hardware to be released, and that could lower the prices on used gear. From my glancing around, Mac Minis were much cheaper than Macbook Pros. For example, a 2014 Mac Mini, with a 1 TB drive, on Monterey, which has an expected two more years of OS support, is around $200.
Oh, and while I have a 2 TB drive in my MacBook, which I upgraded myself, Macs are becoming generally less DIY-upgradable. That amount of storage comes at a premium now. I'm leaning toward using my NAS more, as storage there is cheaper and also my data is robust against any single drive falling over.
There are ways to run the newest macOS on older Macs - here's a Lifehacker article - though 1. I haven't done this 2. It honestly seems like a potential headache to me and 3. Once you get to Catalina and newer, you'll lose 32-bit support, and possibly some of the software you're using.
posted by Pronoiac at 1:20 PM on September 24, 2022
The newest OS version it can run is 10.13, and I'll note that 10.15, Catalina, is likely to stop being supported in October. (My current 2012 MacBook Pro runs on that.) If you want to download 10.13, High Sierra, here's a Mac App Store link from my bookmarks. You might check to see if, say, Chrome and Firefox even offer upgrades for your computer, still. I think that Mojave, 10.14, is the oldest one they support.
You could probably double the RAM; OWC has that for $45 to $50. You could similarly increase the storage, or switch to SSD. The Everymac page links suppliers for batteries and maybe also other items that would give you ideas.
I briefly went looking for a replacement Mac this week; I decided to wait until October, as MacRumors sorta expects new hardware to be released, and that could lower the prices on used gear. From my glancing around, Mac Minis were much cheaper than Macbook Pros. For example, a 2014 Mac Mini, with a 1 TB drive, on Monterey, which has an expected two more years of OS support, is around $200.
Oh, and while I have a 2 TB drive in my MacBook, which I upgraded myself, Macs are becoming generally less DIY-upgradable. That amount of storage comes at a premium now. I'm leaning toward using my NAS more, as storage there is cheaper and also my data is robust against any single drive falling over.
There are ways to run the newest macOS on older Macs - here's a Lifehacker article - though 1. I haven't done this 2. It honestly seems like a potential headache to me and 3. Once you get to Catalina and newer, you'll lose 32-bit support, and possibly some of the software you're using.
posted by Pronoiac at 1:20 PM on September 24, 2022
So my question is: is it possible to refurbish this Mac any more than it already has been? (I think it originally came with 4GB RAM but I had another 4GB added to another slot). And is it possible to somehow upgrade the OS without making it run like molasses?
Possible? Yes. Should you? No.
The machine is 11 years old. It's on borrowed time. Investing more money in RAM, etc. for that machine is very likely throwing away good money - it could keel over at any moment.
Totally understand your reluctance to move to a newer Mac without the optical drive, etc. However, that's the direction Cupertino is going in and if you're dedicated to that ecosystem you're going to get there sooner or later. I'd recommend one of two courses of action:
1) Buy a later model Intel Mac that's likely to get OS updates for at least ~3-5 years. But you'll end up having to buy an external optical drive, etc. because they phased those out several years ago.
2) Accept fate and buy a newer Apple Silicon (M1 or M2) machine, and (again) you'll have to buy the externals.
Of the two options I'd go with #2 -- you'll likely be able to use that machine another 7 years or longer without great headaches.
I know you said that you're not going to switch OSes, so I won't push that - however, it sounds to me like you're already putting in as much effort keeping the old machine alive as you'd need to put into switching to Linux. And you don't like the direction Apple is going and are noticing that it leaves you with fewer options. Their hardware offerings are basically appliances that can't be upgraded or modified.
As much as switching might suck, I'm not sure being embedded in the Apple ecosystem is actually bringing you a lot of joy. Jumping from Mac OS X 10.12.6 to macOS 12 (soon 13) is going to bring some surprises - whether you like the new features or hate them (or a mix) depends on you. I've been steadily less happy with the Apple ecosystem over the years even though their silicon has gotten very interesting.
posted by jzb at 2:13 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
Possible? Yes. Should you? No.
The machine is 11 years old. It's on borrowed time. Investing more money in RAM, etc. for that machine is very likely throwing away good money - it could keel over at any moment.
Totally understand your reluctance to move to a newer Mac without the optical drive, etc. However, that's the direction Cupertino is going in and if you're dedicated to that ecosystem you're going to get there sooner or later. I'd recommend one of two courses of action:
1) Buy a later model Intel Mac that's likely to get OS updates for at least ~3-5 years. But you'll end up having to buy an external optical drive, etc. because they phased those out several years ago.
2) Accept fate and buy a newer Apple Silicon (M1 or M2) machine, and (again) you'll have to buy the externals.
Of the two options I'd go with #2 -- you'll likely be able to use that machine another 7 years or longer without great headaches.
I know you said that you're not going to switch OSes, so I won't push that - however, it sounds to me like you're already putting in as much effort keeping the old machine alive as you'd need to put into switching to Linux. And you don't like the direction Apple is going and are noticing that it leaves you with fewer options. Their hardware offerings are basically appliances that can't be upgraded or modified.
As much as switching might suck, I'm not sure being embedded in the Apple ecosystem is actually bringing you a lot of joy. Jumping from Mac OS X 10.12.6 to macOS 12 (soon 13) is going to bring some surprises - whether you like the new features or hate them (or a mix) depends on you. I've been steadily less happy with the Apple ecosystem over the years even though their silicon has gotten very interesting.
posted by jzb at 2:13 PM on September 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
I concur that your MacBook is approaching retirement. It's not a good idea to connect a computer with an OS that is no longer receiving security updates to the internet. It's okay to continue to use said machine as a DVD player/ (non internet) gaming device though.
I agree that this planned obsolescence thing is ridiculous, but the universe didn't consult us :). Unfortunately, any replacement computer is going to involve compromises/ trade-offs that I anticipate will (initially at least) make you unhappy. And so it becomes a matter of which constraints are you are willing to relax. (Current gen Macs are good about having headphone jacks though).
For your consideration, you may want to begin planning your next computer purchase at this point. The longer you hold on to this machine as your only computer, the more likely there will be something that "forces your hand" to "upgrade" at the most inopportune time.
posted by oceano at 9:07 PM on September 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
I agree that this planned obsolescence thing is ridiculous, but the universe didn't consult us :). Unfortunately, any replacement computer is going to involve compromises/ trade-offs that I anticipate will (initially at least) make you unhappy. And so it becomes a matter of which constraints are you are willing to relax. (Current gen Macs are good about having headphone jacks though).
For your consideration, you may want to begin planning your next computer purchase at this point. The longer you hold on to this machine as your only computer, the more likely there will be something that "forces your hand" to "upgrade" at the most inopportune time.
posted by oceano at 9:07 PM on September 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
I am typing this on an early 2011 MacBook Pro 13" very similar to yours. I upgraded the HDD to a SSD some years back, and I've replaced the battery twice over the life of the computer. The SSD upgrade definitely improved performance (especially startup time) and if you're comfortable opening the case and replacing components yourself, neither are all that complicated to do. Other World Computing is a good source for finding the correct parts for older Macs as well as online tutorials.
That said - I've come to accept that my computer is nearing the the end of its usable life, even for my fairly basic computing needs. I'll probably buy a newer one at some point soon, as even with these upgrades, my computer is limited by an OS many generations out of date. I'll sure I'll miss some of my 2011 Macbook's features and especially the ease of repairing/upgrading, but much in the same way I miss hand-cranked windows in cars.
posted by zombiedance at 11:26 PM on September 24, 2022
That said - I've come to accept that my computer is nearing the the end of its usable life, even for my fairly basic computing needs. I'll probably buy a newer one at some point soon, as even with these upgrades, my computer is limited by an OS many generations out of date. I'll sure I'll miss some of my 2011 Macbook's features and especially the ease of repairing/upgrading, but much in the same way I miss hand-cranked windows in cars.
posted by zombiedance at 11:26 PM on September 24, 2022
I semi-retired my 2012 MacBook Pro earlier this year. It's still fine, except the replacement battery needs to be replaced. But there's the security issues, and to be honest it is starting to chug a little here and there. I'm still using it but as a secondary machine; it's been replaced with a Mac Studio which I expect to last another 10 years. Over their lifetime these machines will cost less than a dollar a day for something I use in my work and personal time constantly. If it's time, it's time.
posted by seanmpuckett at 7:28 AM on September 25, 2022
posted by seanmpuckett at 7:28 AM on September 25, 2022
Response by poster: Guys, these answers are so wonderful and helpful, thank you. It looks like, when I can afford it, I should buy a new one. (I try to buy used because of conflict minerals, but maybe buying new will mean it lasts longer? Idk.) Not to take us too far off topic but: is there a reason WHY they don't want to have normal USB ports anymore? That seems crazy to me. Do they have proprietary adapters, is that where the money is?
posted by pelvicsorcery at 1:02 PM on September 25, 2022
posted by pelvicsorcery at 1:02 PM on September 25, 2022
No, Apple doesn't use proprietary adapters on any of their laptops (aside from the newest MagSafe, I supposed, which you technically don't have to use as they can be powered by USB-C). It isn't that they stopped using "normal" USB ports, it's that USB ports have a new normal.
What you have, USB-A, is terrifically underpowered for basically every modern use: it tops out at around 480 Mbps in the very best of conditions, and has a maximum power delivery of 2.5 Watts (5 volts at 500 mA). Modern USB, which all new MacBooks support (along with basically every computer you could buy these days) is USB-C. The advantages to USB-C are many: the current spec allows for 40Gbps transfer speeds (over 10x the speed of yours) and 100 Watts of power delivery (which means you can power the laptop itself with a USB-C plug, or power large peripherals from your laptop), and my favorite, the plug is reversible so it doesn't matter which way you plug it in. :-)
I will second the chorus of "not worth upgrading" this system. I cannot imagine trying to do Final Cut Pro on this, and you must be a saint to put up with it. Wait through the end of October, and see what the Mac landscape is at that point...Likely there will be M1 Mac minis for decent prices, which will happily last you many years into the future.
posted by griffey at 7:38 PM on September 25, 2022 [1 favorite]
What you have, USB-A, is terrifically underpowered for basically every modern use: it tops out at around 480 Mbps in the very best of conditions, and has a maximum power delivery of 2.5 Watts (5 volts at 500 mA). Modern USB, which all new MacBooks support (along with basically every computer you could buy these days) is USB-C. The advantages to USB-C are many: the current spec allows for 40Gbps transfer speeds (over 10x the speed of yours) and 100 Watts of power delivery (which means you can power the laptop itself with a USB-C plug, or power large peripherals from your laptop), and my favorite, the plug is reversible so it doesn't matter which way you plug it in. :-)
I will second the chorus of "not worth upgrading" this system. I cannot imagine trying to do Final Cut Pro on this, and you must be a saint to put up with it. Wait through the end of October, and see what the Mac landscape is at that point...Likely there will be M1 Mac minis for decent prices, which will happily last you many years into the future.
posted by griffey at 7:38 PM on September 25, 2022 [1 favorite]
Response by poster: I cannot imagine trying to do Final Cut Pro on this
It's not choppy or laggy!
posted by pelvicsorcery at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2022
It's not choppy or laggy!
posted by pelvicsorcery at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2022
Do keep in mind that newer Macbooks* don't have user up-gradable parts. Therefore, for maximum useful longevity buy as much computer as you can reasonably afford.
*There are some options in PC-land (e.g.)
Buying a refurbished machine cuts in to the 5-7 years Apple supports a device before it becomes vintage or obsolete (per Apple).
posted by oceano at 10:09 PM on September 29, 2022
*There are some options in PC-land (e.g.)
Buying a refurbished machine cuts in to the 5-7 years Apple supports a device before it becomes vintage or obsolete (per Apple).
posted by oceano at 10:09 PM on September 29, 2022
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