How would a Cockney pronounce "Battlestar Galactica"?
January 4, 2012 11:16 AM Subscribe
How would a Cockney pronounce "Battlestar Galactica"?
Do you want to know whether the t in Galactica gets pronounced in accents that sometimes drop the t sound? Or is there some other specific question you're after?
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:25 AM on January 4, 2012
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:25 AM on January 4, 2012
Response by poster: I'm interested in whether either of the Cs in Galactica are pronounced, or if they are glottalized. I assume the T gets glottalized, unless the speaker is making a special effort to make the word understood.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 11:41 AM on January 4, 2012
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 11:41 AM on January 4, 2012
Best answer: Both Cs are pronounced. It's the Ts that get dropped.
posted by joboe at 11:45 AM on January 4, 2012
posted by joboe at 11:45 AM on January 4, 2012
Best answer: Well, the first c in Galactica might be dropped as the t would be pronounced. It's possible that that t would be sounded further back, in between a t and a d sound. If that happens then the last c might be closer to a g. It really depends on the speaker. Otherwise I'd say all other assumptions (glottle stop ts in the first word as well as a good w sound for the l) are correct.
posted by ob at 12:04 PM on January 4, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by ob at 12:04 PM on January 4, 2012 [1 favorite]
Best answer: Remember to throw an R on the end if the next word starts with a vowel.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:06 PM on January 4, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Sys Rq at 12:06 PM on January 4, 2012 [1 favorite]
Best answer: If I were doing my borderline passable comic gangster cockney I'd do a glottal stop on the t's in "battle" but not "galactica."
posted by col_pogo at 12:28 PM on January 4, 2012
posted by col_pogo at 12:28 PM on January 4, 2012
Best answer: I am no expert, but I do have a couple of great resources I use for questions about dialect.
IDEA (International Dialects of English Archive) has an exhaustive collection of recordings, with transcriptions. Here's their England page. In particular, check out England Forty-two and England Fifty-nine, both with Cockney dialects. Searching the transcripts for incidences of the "ct" in the middle of a word gives us words like "practice," "effective," and "manufacturing." In all cases, the c-t combination is pronounced very distinctly, without glottalization. In fact, it almost sounds to me like the c-t is a bit exaggerated.
Another of my favorite resources is this Language Regions Index. They have a large index of English words spoken in different dialects, with hover-over sound files so that you can hear the differences very clearly. In your case, I don't think there's anything helpful (the London, area of the index has no sound files) but I've often found it to be an awesome resource for these kinds of questions.
posted by ourobouros at 12:36 PM on January 4, 2012 [7 favorites]
IDEA (International Dialects of English Archive) has an exhaustive collection of recordings, with transcriptions. Here's their England page. In particular, check out England Forty-two and England Fifty-nine, both with Cockney dialects. Searching the transcripts for incidences of the "ct" in the middle of a word gives us words like "practice," "effective," and "manufacturing." In all cases, the c-t combination is pronounced very distinctly, without glottalization. In fact, it almost sounds to me like the c-t is a bit exaggerated.
Another of my favorite resources is this Language Regions Index. They have a large index of English words spoken in different dialects, with hover-over sound files so that you can hear the differences very clearly. In your case, I don't think there's anything helpful (the London, area of the index has no sound files) but I've often found it to be an awesome resource for these kinds of questions.
posted by ourobouros at 12:36 PM on January 4, 2012 [7 favorites]
She's pretty posh, mind.
posted by Jofus at 12:52 PM on January 4, 2012 [10 favorites]
posted by Jofus at 12:52 PM on January 4, 2012 [10 favorites]
Could somebody please remix Jofus's recording into a dance anthem for me? I'm thinking chiptune meets If Madonna Calls.
posted by ourobouros at 12:59 PM on January 4, 2012 [4 favorites]
posted by ourobouros at 12:59 PM on January 4, 2012 [4 favorites]
Seconding robself.
Also, Jofus, that was pretty much the most adorable thing I've ever heard.
posted by fight or flight at 12:59 PM on January 4, 2012 [7 favorites]
Also, Jofus, that was pretty much the most adorable thing I've ever heard.
posted by fight or flight at 12:59 PM on January 4, 2012 [7 favorites]
Best answer: No-one can compete with the sheer delight of Jofus's, but as he says, she's a wee bit posh. Battlestar Galactica.
posted by londongeezer at 3:24 PM on January 4, 2012 [10 favorites]
posted by londongeezer at 3:24 PM on January 4, 2012 [10 favorites]
The point Gem was trying to make was that it's more like GLAKtica than GUH-LAKtica. Hence our argument.
posted by Jofus at 3:41 PM on January 4, 2012
posted by Jofus at 3:41 PM on January 4, 2012
Iss "Ba'-w Stah Gla'-tica" innit? I ain't doin' no recawdin', and I ain't sayin aww the bloody c's.
posted by cogat at 3:05 PM on January 5, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by cogat at 3:05 PM on January 5, 2012 [1 favorite]
I'm not a cockney, but if I do a low Australian accent the "ct" becomes a sort of click. Huh.
posted by Joe in Australia at 4:28 PM on January 5, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Joe in Australia at 4:28 PM on January 5, 2012 [1 favorite]
Jofus, you sound like my beau across the pond! Oh, if we had such interesting accents in the US...
posted by doyouknowwhoIam? at 7:42 AM on January 19, 2012
posted by doyouknowwhoIam? at 7:42 AM on January 19, 2012
What ourobouros said.
I particularly like the "a" of "asked"; au'hsked. I might be wrong, but I think this is a relatively new development in 'cockney'. Maybe it's particularly local?
posted by BadMiker at 7:03 AM on January 20, 2012
I particularly like the "a" of "asked"; au'hsked. I might be wrong, but I think this is a relatively new development in 'cockney'. Maybe it's particularly local?
posted by BadMiker at 7:03 AM on January 20, 2012
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posted by robself at 11:19 AM on January 4, 2012 [3 favorites]