What kind of tests are performed by a paramedic on an adult after CPR has resuscitated them from a drowning in a bubble bath?
January 9, 2009 6:40 AM Subscribe
What kind of tests are performed by a paramedic on an adult after CPR has resuscitated them from a drowning in a bubble bath? I am writing a novel and this is part of the plot, and I suspect that they must do something, but I don't know what. If anyone knows anything, you have my thanks!
Actually, if the heart has stopped you wouldn't defib (unless you're on House MD). That's reserved for serious ventricular arrhythmias, among other things.
IANAP (paramedic) but I'd imagine that the priorities would to stabilize the pt (ABC - airway, breathing, circulation) and get them to the hospital asap.
posted by sero_venientibus_ossa at 7:10 AM on January 9, 2009
IANAP (paramedic) but I'd imagine that the priorities would to stabilize the pt (ABC - airway, breathing, circulation) and get them to the hospital asap.
posted by sero_venientibus_ossa at 7:10 AM on January 9, 2009
Tests? Pulse, to make sure it's there. Blood pressure, to make sure it's adequate. They'd count breathing too, though there's not much more to it than that. Probably use a pen light to test for pupil responsiveness. They'll check the airway to see if anything is blocking it. They'll hook a finger up to a portable pulse oximeter to test for oxygen saturation. They'll also ask basic questions to make sure the person is oriented to person/place/time.
But most of all they'd take the person to the hospital. You don't get resuscitated without a ride to the ER. Paramedics are just that: "para" + medics = "beside"/"near" + medics. All they do is try to keep patients stable long enough to get them to the hospital. So the paramedic is going to do very basic observations like pulse, breathing, airway, and orientation so they can give that information to the nurse at the ER.
sero is right though: defibrillators are not used to "restart" the heart. It's a "de-" "-fibrillator," i.e. a device intended to stop fibrillation, particularly ventricular fibrillation, which is one of the few things that will kill you right quick if not immediately reversed. Like within a few minutes quick. Flat-line heart rhythms are not defibrillated.
posted by valkyryn at 7:27 AM on January 9, 2009 [1 favorite]
But most of all they'd take the person to the hospital. You don't get resuscitated without a ride to the ER. Paramedics are just that: "para" + medics = "beside"/"near" + medics. All they do is try to keep patients stable long enough to get them to the hospital. So the paramedic is going to do very basic observations like pulse, breathing, airway, and orientation so they can give that information to the nurse at the ER.
sero is right though: defibrillators are not used to "restart" the heart. It's a "de-" "-fibrillator," i.e. a device intended to stop fibrillation, particularly ventricular fibrillation, which is one of the few things that will kill you right quick if not immediately reversed. Like within a few minutes quick. Flat-line heart rhythms are not defibrillated.
posted by valkyryn at 7:27 AM on January 9, 2009 [1 favorite]
According to the first aid course I did: CPR is intended to keep the patient alive until he/she gets to hospital. It serves to pump oxygenated blood around the patient while their heart isn't up to the job. Contrary to the name, it won't resuscitate the patient.
posted by emilyw at 7:28 AM on January 9, 2009
posted by emilyw at 7:28 AM on January 9, 2009
IANAD, but if this is for fiction, you should read CPR Clean Pretty Reliable.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:29 AM on January 9, 2009
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:29 AM on January 9, 2009
Part of the answer also depends on the level of training of the responder; EMTs and paramedics are not the same thing. Another thing that will make a difference is how close they were to actually dying; if they needed intubation, for example, they would be left intubated (and tests to confirm proper tube placement performed as described in the link) and their breathing would be assisted with a portable ventilator or bag-valve-mask device. In addition to a pulse oximeter as mentioned above, they would probably be hooked up to an EKG monitor and blood pressure cuff. Feel free to memail me if you want more details.
posted by TedW at 7:48 AM on January 9, 2009
posted by TedW at 7:48 AM on January 9, 2009
A good (if old) article on the incorrect use of defibrillators on TV.
posted by EarBucket at 9:00 AM on January 9, 2009
posted by EarBucket at 9:00 AM on January 9, 2009
Response by poster: Whoa!
Thanks to you all.
I went to that TV Tropes site and
realized that all my knowledge about
this was informed by bad television.
It is truly humbling.
Still, I have need for my character to
be up and running quite soon after
this near death experience.
I'm going to try to ground the scene
in truth, insert an ambulance, CPR
on the way, her heart starts to flutter
in the ambo, they've got to de-fib,
and she's revived, then they do that
battery of tests. They didn't crack a
rib but they will mention that it's
possible.
And THEN she's up and running.
Thanks to everyone again.
I don't know what fiction writers
did before google and AskMeFi.
Make crazy shit up, I suppose.
posted by Sully at 10:00 AM on January 9, 2009
Thanks to you all.
I went to that TV Tropes site and
realized that all my knowledge about
this was informed by bad television.
It is truly humbling.
Still, I have need for my character to
be up and running quite soon after
this near death experience.
I'm going to try to ground the scene
in truth, insert an ambulance, CPR
on the way, her heart starts to flutter
in the ambo, they've got to de-fib,
and she's revived, then they do that
battery of tests. They didn't crack a
rib but they will mention that it's
possible.
And THEN she's up and running.
Thanks to everyone again.
I don't know what fiction writers
did before google and AskMeFi.
Make crazy shit up, I suppose.
posted by Sully at 10:00 AM on January 9, 2009
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posted by ClaudiaCenter at 6:58 AM on January 9, 2009 [1 favorite]