I can hear their toilet flushing as I type.
September 13, 2008 2:45 PM   Subscribe

Curtainless neighbours enjoy dumping in public and stealing cats.

I live in a weird, old house that was renovated into small loft apartments. There are some awkwardnesses to this arrangement, chief of which is that my neighbour's bathroom window (a large, full-length window) opens directly onto my balcony. My large sliding-glass door opens onto the balcony, and is at a 90-degree angle from their bathroom window.

In short, I can see them on the toilet.

I have curtains. They are sheer, but can be closed for privacy. However, we sometimes have them open because, well, it's a sliding glass door onto our balcony. It constitutes one entire wall of our studio apartment, and is our main source of air. The cat comes and goes. We want see what he's doing out there, we have to move them to run the air conditioner, etc.

The old neighbour, like every reasonable person in the world would, had a big opaque blind over the bathroom window. Even when his window was open for air, the blind would be down, and we never could see into his bathroom. The new neighbours have taken the step of putting some blurry privacy-coating stuff on the glass of the window, an admirable attempt, really, but...they seem to have forgotten the most important part of the whole thing: closing the window when they are taking a dump.

The privacy issue is getting annoying, but even worse, they've taken to talking to my cat through the bathroom window. This makes him go CRAZY. He scratches at their screen, and yowls like a nutbar. (Whenever he does this, we promptly bring him inside, where he pines and lays around and yowls like an idiot for days, wanting to go outside and play with the neighbour window.) And the worst: one morning while my back was turned, the neighbour actually brought my cat inside through the window, and when I looked outside, he was gone. Cat-napped. I rapped on their door and got him back from a smiling, giggling girl in her underwear. Charming.

I should have nailed a board or something over the damn bathroom window, on my balcony, before the new people moved in. But I didn't think they would be complete morons, or cat-stealers. Should I just put up some more curtains on my side of things, and keep the cat from ever going out on the balcony (which, stuck in a small apartment in a big city, is his sole reason for living)? Should I ask them to put something up, ask the superintendant to put something up, or what?

I'm irritated, but not exactly sure what to do, or (if I should speak with them) what to say.

So...?
posted by peggynature to Pets & Animals (42 answers total) 3 users marked this as a favorite
 
Have you tried telling them "Hey, I can see you when you're on the shitter, you might want to do something about that." Maybe they don't realize how much you can really see.
posted by MaryDellamorte at 2:51 PM on September 13, 2008 [3 favorites]


Make a scarecrow and set it up to stare at the toilet. Rig a motion detector so when it sees movement it plays a very creepy voice saying "I see youuuu doing number twoooooo". If your neighbor is a shy pooper they'll get so backed up that after a few days they'll invest in some blinds.

Or, knock on the door, tell them you have "accidentally" seen their private moments in the bathroom and they may want to do something about it. Next stop, research local decency ordinances in your town/city.
posted by wavering at 2:52 PM on September 13, 2008 [15 favorites]


Anonymous letter? Are you the only ones who can see them? I'm not sure how your complex works, but if others could see this, you could remain anonymous.
posted by fructose at 2:57 PM on September 13, 2008


The next time you see the girl you could just ask her to please not talk to your cat from their bathroom window as it freaks the cat out. Then also mention that she might want to get some curtains for her bathroom as you can see into it. It's then up to her.
posted by gfrobe at 2:57 PM on September 13, 2008



I'd just knock on the door and say that it upsets the cat when they talk to him through the bathroom window so you'd prefer that they don't do it and that, btw, um, you can see through there so it might be an idea to get some curtains.

They don't sound like catnappers-- otherwise they wouldn't have given kitty back or admitted cat was there.

If that doesn't work, you could tell super to say that there's a rule that they have to have bathroom curtains...

but really, you could just not look. they can't go that often!
posted by Maias at 2:57 PM on September 13, 2008


Buy them an inexpensive blind and leave it at their door, prettily tied up with a ribbon, and accompanied by a note asking them as nicely as possible to put it up at the bathroom window because you're sure they aren't aware that you can see into the bathroom when the window is up, and to refrain from taking your cat into their apartment because you want him to be a contented indoor cat.
posted by orange swan at 2:58 PM on September 13, 2008


Say something when they're taking a dump. "Hey, what's up? Have you seen my cat?" or "Looks like rain, eh?"
posted by rhizome at 3:02 PM on September 13, 2008 [13 favorites]


Response by poster: but really, you could just not look. they can't go that often!

It's a tiny, tiny apartment. We live in one room. When we sit down in our living area, we can't avoid seeing into their window if the curtains are not positioned just-so.

I plan to get some more curtains for our side, but I'm starting to wonder why I am more concerned about their privacy on the can than they seem to be.
posted by peggynature at 3:03 PM on September 13, 2008


They sound like fun people who aren't too modest. You could always keep your curtains closed.
posted by trevyn at 3:04 PM on September 13, 2008


Response by poster: They sound like fun people who aren't too modest. You could always keep your curtains closed.

...and never use my balcony again? I'm all for fun, but taking a shit in full view of my neighbours seems a strange conception of "fun." And not having use of my balcony seems distinctly "un-fun."
posted by peggynature at 3:11 PM on September 13, 2008 [2 favorites]


Best answer: Put a huge, leafy green plant on your balcony, right in front of their window.
posted by iconomy at 3:11 PM on September 13, 2008 [5 favorites]


I might put a sign up in my window, saying "If you can read this, I can see you on the toilet" or something like that.

As for the cat, you could only let him out on a leash on the balcony.
posted by Riverine at 3:19 PM on September 13, 2008 [5 favorites]


What's the problem with the cat? Are they actually trying to steal it or just play with it? Because there are lots of cats where I live and sometimes they wander through my back door. I say hi, give 'em a tickle under the chin, then they wander back out. Perhaps your neighbour likes cats.
posted by afx237vi at 3:32 PM on September 13, 2008


Perhaps your cat is the reason she's leaving the bathroom window open. Whenever he goes out on the balcony, she can get some "Aww, lookit the kitty! Who's a cute kitty? C'm'ere kitty!" time without having to actually own and feed a cat.

If not letting the cat out on the balcony isn't a viable option, accompany him out there. And use your balcony more often. Like, daily. Invite people over to hang out with you on your balcony. Make her think of your balcony as a less of a feline play pen and more of place where people are apt to be.
posted by CKmtl at 3:35 PM on September 13, 2008


Best answer: This is one of those situations you've gotta go straight at. These don't sound like folks that indirect solutions work all that well with.

Knock on their door with a delicious peace offering of some kind in hand, or perhaps invite your neighbors over for a bit of coffee. Once settled into conversation, waste no time in getting to the matter at hand.

Politely but firmly make known the following:

1) You can see them shitting and you don't like it. (word this differently, of course). If you need to, invite them onto the balcony so you can show them just how clearly you can see them doing their business.

2) Taking your cat into their house is not okay. Even if the cat enjoys being flirted with through the window. Even if the cat asks to come in. Even if they think he's really cute. Not okay.

I can understand your desire to keep the level of confrontation low in this matter, but I can't see a route to a permanent solution that doesn't involve some measure of direct talk. Do this as soon as possible, before their obnoxious habits are even more ingrained.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:36 PM on September 13, 2008


What's the problem with the cat? Are they actually trying to steal it or just play with it?

Whichever it is, they're doing it with poop hands, which I gather is the problem.
posted by Inspector.Gadget at 3:36 PM on September 13, 2008 [2 favorites]


Response by poster: What's the problem with the cat? Are they actually trying to steal it or just play with it? Because there are lots of cats where I live and sometimes they wander through my back door. I say hi, give 'em a tickle under the chin, then they wander back out. Perhaps your neighbour likes cats.

It's one thing if a cat wanders into your space, you pet it, and it wanders out again. It's another thing if you actually remove your window screen and take a cat into your apartment from your neighbour's space. The balcony is our space, and we pay extra rent for it. The neighbours have their own, separate balcony around the corner. I don't climb up the fire escape and take shit from their balcony into my apartment.

When the cat disappeared, I had a panicky few seconds thinking he'd fallen or something. And I had never met the neighbours and honestly didn't know they weren't planning to, oh, cook him for dinner or something. (I admit I have a somewhat graphic imagination.)

Meeting the girl and figuring out she's probably harmless at least eased those fears, but I still feel it's wildly inappropriate to take someone's cat off their balcony into your apartment without permission or notice.
posted by peggynature at 3:46 PM on September 13, 2008


Could you put a trellis in a planter, plant an attractive vine up the trellis, and then position it so it blocks the exhibitionists?

If you want to make it fun for your cat, too, you could plant catnip at the bottom and a hummingbird-attracting vine, like a trumpet vine - going up the trellis.
posted by Ostara at 3:49 PM on September 13, 2008


Response by poster: Could you put a trellis in a planter, plant an attractive vine up the trellis, and then position it so it blocks the exhibitionists?

I would love to, but I have a squirrel problem (read: "zombie-squirrels who instantly destroy and devour all plant life." I've tried vines on a trellis in the past, because people love to walk up and down the fire-escape, which faces directly into the apartment. This used to bother me; now I'm just grateful they don't drop trou and take a shit on it, too.)

Also, during our six-month winter apocalypse, any greenery is likely to shed leaves and be worthless as privacy cover.

I favourited iconomy's suggestion because it may be possible to get a small, bushy evergreen tree in a pot and place it in front of the window. But that is the only plant I can imagine surviving out there.
posted by peggynature at 4:13 PM on September 13, 2008


I think the taking-your-cat-off-the-balcony has escalated this from being polite-yet-firm into being just "firm." When you got your cat back the time they took it, what did you say?

I'd make the cat the primary reason for your speaking to them -- "look, this has acutally been weighing on my mind, and I wanted to speak with you about it, but -- that was kind of uncalled for, and I'm going to have to ask you to leave my cat alone from now on. Completely. In fact, him even seeing you in the bathroom wigs him out now, since you brought him in -- I mean, he's my cat and suddenly some strange people are bringing him into their apartment and it really freaked him out -- so maybe you could get some blinds up so my cat isn't wigged out, huh?"

If it were just the blinds-on-the-bathroom, that'd be one thing, but they crossed the line from "weird neighbor" to "inappropriate" the second they took your cat. Be tough.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:38 PM on September 13, 2008


So the outside of their window is on your balcony? Meaning, in theory, the outside part of the window is yours to do with as you please? Block their view out (and thus, your view in) by nailing some plywood over the window, or hanging some vinyl sheeting or a tarp. Maybe that would be enough of a clue for them? I would only do this if explaining the situation to them doesn't work.
posted by SuperSquirrel at 4:59 PM on September 13, 2008


Next time they're doing their "business", wander out onto the balcony and start a conversation with them.
posted by blue_beetle at 6:08 PM on September 13, 2008 [1 favorite]


Call the police and have them arrested for indecent exposure.
posted by caddis at 6:49 PM on September 13, 2008


I really like the plant idea to cover up the view...

That being said, this sounds like excellent material for a blog. Seems to me like you have some talent for writing, and the comedy is just SITTING right in front of you (ahem), so why not make some fun of it?!
posted by matty at 7:20 PM on September 13, 2008


Put up a wind chime, a large one.
posted by acro at 7:56 PM on September 13, 2008


You probably should avoid blocking the window as this could be a fire hazard. As much I don't like confronting people, I think you are going to have to for this one.
posted by silkygreenbelly at 8:22 PM on September 13, 2008


Also, during our six-month winter apocalypse, any greenery is likely to shed leaves and be worthless as privacy cover.

Buy the trellis. Then go to a crafts or home store and buy all the fake vine and greenery you can find. Attach it with twisty wire or a hot glue gun.
posted by damn dirty ape at 8:40 PM on September 13, 2008 [1 favorite]


Also its worth noting that some people come from cultures which dont have all the hangups you do with taking a crap. So even if you tell them they shouldnt they might still do it or perhaps the parents will listen but not the kids.

A physical obstruction is probably the best way to go for now.
posted by damn dirty ape at 8:42 PM on September 13, 2008


Dude, I think you should stop whining and make friends. Yeah, maybe you can see them takin' a dump sometimes, but they sound like they fuckin' know how to party.

I second the suggestion, "talk to them when they're on the toilet."
posted by borkingchikapa at 8:45 PM on September 13, 2008 [2 favorites]


It looks like their window can open from the bottom or the top. Suggest that they open the top half of the window instead of the bottom half. They get ventilation, you get to not watch them on the toilet.
posted by zippy at 10:03 PM on September 13, 2008


Whichever it is, they're doing it with poop hands, which I gather is the problem.

I hate to tell you this, but that cat that licks you on the hands and face? His tongue's been all over his own asshole.
posted by MegoSteve at 10:10 PM on September 13, 2008


take pictures, or atleast pretend to. naked poopy people hate cameras.
posted by docmccoy at 11:02 PM on September 13, 2008 [1 favorite]


Next time they go for a crap - stand on your balcony, hose in hand, and offer them a long-distance bidet service.
posted by awfurby at 11:05 PM on September 13, 2008 [3 favorites]


Nthing you should politely and firmly talk to them about the situation, especially the cat aspect.

For the future, if you landlord is worth a damn, you should talk to him or her about the basic issue that exists with this whole setup and see if you can find a permanent solution so this doesn't come up with each renter: the balcony is your space and you deserve to control the privacy in your own space (especially since someone could conceivably see into your entire living space, as you describe). Likewise for the neighbors and their bathroom, you would think they would have a problem but apparently they don't.

If this person is a good landlord, they would be interested in making their units comfortable and appealing to potential (and current) renters and so they might be willing to invest time and money in: researching the fire codes (i can't imagine there isn't another acceptable escape from your neighbor's apartment), installing privacy glass and permanently closing the window/nailing it or at least sealing the bottom section. Be firm, explain there is a problem that you would like to deal with, maybe you'll have to offer to pay for something, because i don't think you have any real legal claim to make a demand, but you can at least make a little fuss.
posted by dahliachewswell at 11:12 PM on September 13, 2008


Could you get one of those three panel folding screens that you see in old movies? The sort that people get changed behind. If they aren't relying on light coming in through the window, you could make a sort of "box" around the window to block them in, and the cat out. Or, could you do the same sort of thing with some misted perspex? That would still cut down on the view, but not the light so much.

If they say anything, you could say (with a horrified tone of voice, probably in a low whisper), "I can see you while you're using the toilet" [insert appropriately shocked face here].
posted by Solomon at 1:41 AM on September 14, 2008 [2 favorites]


Response by poster: Dude, I think you should stop whining and make friends. Yeah, maybe you can see them takin' a dump sometimes, but they sound like they fuckin' know how to party.

Yeah, see, we don't party. My husband and I are very quiet, keep-to-themselves, may-or-may-not-have-dead-bodies-in-the-freezer types. I doubt we'd make super-spectacular best buds with princess poop-o-matic over there.

I will seriously consider talking to them while they're on the toilet, though.
posted by peggynature at 7:18 PM on September 14, 2008 [1 favorite]


Hang a sign from your balcony that says, "If you can read this, I can see you."
posted by thebrokenmuse at 10:32 PM on September 14, 2008


and noone has suggested a webcam with a subscription service?
posted by Karmic_Enigma at 11:24 AM on September 15, 2008


Best answer: put up one of these:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e89/spatefelon/jeff_goldblum_is_watching_you_poop.jpg
posted by stenseng at 3:25 PM on September 15, 2008


Best answer: Know how to party? Um. I can party. You know what we don't do when we party? Take a shit together. Even the hilarious pooping neighbors seem to get this, since they installed the privacy blurry stuff.

You can oh so politely with the upmost of decorum let them know that their bathroom window permits an unfortunate sight-line of their toilet, ahem. Feel free to let them know that this is embarrassing TO YOU, even if they don't mind the neighbors watching them poop because hey, it's hot and the window should be open. It's not some crazy American Puritan prudish idea that pooping should be done with some discretion.

Top half of the window is a great, easy, solution. Big plant is not a bad idea.
posted by desuetude at 7:31 PM on September 15, 2008 [1 favorite]


Response by poster: Know how to party? Um. I can party. You know what we don't do when we party? Take a shit together.

This pretty much sums it up.
posted by peggynature at 7:44 PM on September 15, 2008


Print out that picture of their bathroom. Put it on your balcony glass door so that they can see it from the toilet. Problem solved after a couple of days.
posted by mrbill at 1:41 PM on December 9, 2008


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