How's your COVID bunker treating you?
March 20, 2020 7:49 PM
We need to rent a place to hide out for a few months, pronto, but we are in analysis paralysis about where and what. I'd like to know how others feel about their current isolation setup.
My s/o and I (and our cat) have been bouncing around the Gulf Coast helping out family with some medical issues. We've been staying in hotels and vacation rentals, and think it's way past time that we hunker down for a few months in a single place. We can work remotely (at least for now). What kind of place should we get?
We could do a multi-month stay through Airbnb/VRBO (since people are canceling vacations) or go the traditional apartment lease route. The latter option seems like it would add stability and safety, because property management companies aren't usually as crazy as Airbnb landlords. The downside being closer proximity to other humans, since we're likely to share parking lot and stairs/elevators. Renting a single-family via traditional lease seems difficult around here.
I'd like to be in range of Walmart and Instacart deliveries, but what kind of neighborhood should we look for? One of those big stupid gated complexes? Out in the sticks with the pickup trucks and the hound dogs? A standard pink rancher ike the one in Edward Scissorhands?
Let's say we can ditch the family situation and go anywhere in the US. Is that worth considering, since every place is likely to be a shitshow in different ways? Should we go immediately to a town with above-average state/local governance and hope for the best? Or is it more important to be near friends and family, even though you can't physically visit them?
To those isolating: How do y'all feel about your current setup so far? Tell me what you like and what you wish you had.
My s/o and I (and our cat) have been bouncing around the Gulf Coast helping out family with some medical issues. We've been staying in hotels and vacation rentals, and think it's way past time that we hunker down for a few months in a single place. We can work remotely (at least for now). What kind of place should we get?
We could do a multi-month stay through Airbnb/VRBO (since people are canceling vacations) or go the traditional apartment lease route. The latter option seems like it would add stability and safety, because property management companies aren't usually as crazy as Airbnb landlords. The downside being closer proximity to other humans, since we're likely to share parking lot and stairs/elevators. Renting a single-family via traditional lease seems difficult around here.
I'd like to be in range of Walmart and Instacart deliveries, but what kind of neighborhood should we look for? One of those big stupid gated complexes? Out in the sticks with the pickup trucks and the hound dogs? A standard pink rancher ike the one in Edward Scissorhands?
Let's say we can ditch the family situation and go anywhere in the US. Is that worth considering, since every place is likely to be a shitshow in different ways? Should we go immediately to a town with above-average state/local governance and hope for the best? Or is it more important to be near friends and family, even though you can't physically visit them?
To those isolating: How do y'all feel about your current setup so far? Tell me what you like and what you wish you had.
You haven’t said anything about your age, risk level, possible concerns about elderly relatives, so that makes this harder to answer.
I like being in an area with a low enough population density that I feel safe going for a walk. I’m older and a cancer patient, and I like being a short drive from my cancer center. My area seems less of a shitshow right now, but that could change. I have friends in the area who would try to help if I needed it.
My roommate is a doctor, and she has said that it’s really great that we have separate bathrooms to reduce the chances of infecting each other.
As a high-risk person, I hate being far from my kids even though I wouldn’t see them. I don’t know how they’ll manage burying me and dealing with my stuff if I die. Whether something like that is a concern for you is not clear.
posted by FencingGal at 8:00 PM on March 20, 2020
I like being in an area with a low enough population density that I feel safe going for a walk. I’m older and a cancer patient, and I like being a short drive from my cancer center. My area seems less of a shitshow right now, but that could change. I have friends in the area who would try to help if I needed it.
My roommate is a doctor, and she has said that it’s really great that we have separate bathrooms to reduce the chances of infecting each other.
As a high-risk person, I hate being far from my kids even though I wouldn’t see them. I don’t know how they’ll manage burying me and dealing with my stuff if I die. Whether something like that is a concern for you is not clear.
posted by FencingGal at 8:00 PM on March 20, 2020
We happened to be in the middle of an international move when all of this kicked off. We picked an apartment in a managed & secure building, near a grocery store and pharmacy. It happened to work out really well for us. Here are the features of the apartment that have been great.
1.) It's a 2 bedroom and 2 bathroom. We are just a couple and so normally we would have gotten a 1 bedroom, but I'm glad we went for the extra $ because if one of us gets sick we can isolate from the other completely.
2.) The layout is perfect for a containment station. The front door opens into a hallway with a closet where we can put our shoes and keys and such. There is a washer/dryer in that same hallway, so we can put our outside clothes into the laundry and change into our inside clothes.
3.) The building is well managed and is being regularly, aggressively cleaned.
4.) The building has an amazon hub, so we can get deliveries to it, securely, without having to sign for them.
posted by pazazygeek at 8:08 PM on March 20, 2020
1.) It's a 2 bedroom and 2 bathroom. We are just a couple and so normally we would have gotten a 1 bedroom, but I'm glad we went for the extra $ because if one of us gets sick we can isolate from the other completely.
2.) The layout is perfect for a containment station. The front door opens into a hallway with a closet where we can put our shoes and keys and such. There is a washer/dryer in that same hallway, so we can put our outside clothes into the laundry and change into our inside clothes.
3.) The building is well managed and is being regularly, aggressively cleaned.
4.) The building has an amazon hub, so we can get deliveries to it, securely, without having to sign for them.
posted by pazazygeek at 8:08 PM on March 20, 2020
If your main goal is to get temporary housing in an area that mitigates your exposure to Covid-19, then I'd take a look at the most recent CDC confirmed cases map and start there. You can narrow your choices by states that have the current lowest infection rates with cities/suburban locations that offer access to good shopping and healthcare. So, if it were me, I'd be considering mid-sized cities in states with current single-digit caseloads reported. Keep in mind that with confirmed cases expected to explode exponentially, you may arrive in a city just in time to experience its first wave of cases.
It might be more useful to think in terms of your behavior and how it will influence your exposure. If you are willing to truly hunker down, limiting your exposure to the public and remaining sequestered until the CDC deems that the infection rate has crested, you vastly expand your range of options. In that case, I would choose the location that has the most comfortable and affordable housing options for a self-imposed shelter-in-place scenario. I would also keep my options open with a short-term rental or Air BNB.
Also, we don't know yet know whether this virus may subside in warmer temperatures, but it may be a good hedge to choose a warmer climate in a lower population density state. So, New Mexico vs. Idaho may give you some virus-limiting advantage.
posted by MissPitts at 8:25 PM on March 20, 2020
It might be more useful to think in terms of your behavior and how it will influence your exposure. If you are willing to truly hunker down, limiting your exposure to the public and remaining sequestered until the CDC deems that the infection rate has crested, you vastly expand your range of options. In that case, I would choose the location that has the most comfortable and affordable housing options for a self-imposed shelter-in-place scenario. I would also keep my options open with a short-term rental or Air BNB.
Also, we don't know yet know whether this virus may subside in warmer temperatures, but it may be a good hedge to choose a warmer climate in a lower population density state. So, New Mexico vs. Idaho may give you some virus-limiting advantage.
posted by MissPitts at 8:25 PM on March 20, 2020
As an apartment dweller who is nervous about a true lockdown in my city, I REALLY wish we had our own patio and outdoor space.
posted by raccoon409 at 8:37 PM on March 20, 2020
posted by raccoon409 at 8:37 PM on March 20, 2020
Should we go immediately to a town with above-average state/local governance and hope for the best?
From ProPublica: Are Hospitals Near Me Ready for Coronavirus? Here Are Nine Different Scenarios. (Mar. 17, 2020), and the NYT produced interactive maps with more detailed information, based on the same Harvard Global Health Institute study.
The NYT published an article today that predicts the spread in the United States, depending on the degree of control measures: Coronavirus Could Overwhelm U.S. Without Urgent Action, Estimates Say, and it provides a rough sense of when cases are expected to peak in various parts of the country, although "[t]he estimates are inherently uncertain, and they could change as America adopts unprecedented measures to control the outbreak."
posted by katra at 8:54 PM on March 20, 2020
From ProPublica: Are Hospitals Near Me Ready for Coronavirus? Here Are Nine Different Scenarios. (Mar. 17, 2020), and the NYT produced interactive maps with more detailed information, based on the same Harvard Global Health Institute study.
The NYT published an article today that predicts the spread in the United States, depending on the degree of control measures: Coronavirus Could Overwhelm U.S. Without Urgent Action, Estimates Say, and it provides a rough sense of when cases are expected to peak in various parts of the country, although "[t]he estimates are inherently uncertain, and they could change as America adopts unprecedented measures to control the outbreak."
New York City, Seattle, Boston and parts of California already have such large outbreaks that they will probably see significant growth even after taking extraordinary measures over the past week, the researchers say. New York City’s outbreak, the nation’s largest, grew to more than 4,000 known cases on Friday and is likely to increase many times over even in a favorable scenario.I'm offering the data because there may be places that are taking this crisis seriously and implementing controls proactively that may be better positioned, especially if they also have the tests (Politico), medical providers (Bloomberg), and protective equipment (NYT).
On the other hand, parts of the country without large clusters of cases could still avoid the worst of the outbreak — if they impose measures like closing schools, banning mass gatherings and testing and quarantining sick people and their contacts. The epidemic would then spread inland at a much slower pace and strike with less severity, the estimates say.
But controls would need to be put in place immediately, and everywhere.
posted by katra at 8:54 PM on March 20, 2020
I would look for a place with a good, less-overwhelmed hospital system and rent a place with a yard and in-unit laundry. A medium sized place with few enough people that you can walk without running into people, but not so small as to lack good hospital access. Airbnb would be fine.
posted by hungrytiger at 8:59 PM on March 20, 2020
posted by hungrytiger at 8:59 PM on March 20, 2020
I live in New York City. I would KILL for access to outdoor space right about now.
posted by mollymayhem at 9:02 PM on March 20, 2020
posted by mollymayhem at 9:02 PM on March 20, 2020
My brother lives in Austin. He’s able to pretty well do his job from anywhere and is able to spend some money. So he and his wife left Austin 2 weeks ago and are staying in a series of lodges, B&Bs (where so far they’ve been the only guests), and rented houses in very small towns in Texas. Their initial plan is to do this through April.
posted by neuron at 9:46 PM on March 20, 2020
posted by neuron at 9:46 PM on March 20, 2020
Having private outdoor space seems pretty important right now. Like, a balcony would be my #1 priority in an apartment.
Also, sufficient space to work from home, and to have indoor exercise equipment, maybe, if you are used to going to the gym.
posted by lollusc at 9:47 PM on March 20, 2020
Also, sufficient space to work from home, and to have indoor exercise equipment, maybe, if you are used to going to the gym.
posted by lollusc at 9:47 PM on March 20, 2020
We are 'sheltering in place'.
Some things I like about where we are now:
1. Access to a local park, plenty of places to walk/run with safe sidewalks while still social distancing. (Highly recommend being able to safely get out and walk/run/hike around). If you could be near hiking or nature trails, that would be ideal.
2. Access to *many* large grocery stores AND smaller markets AND pharmacies. The smaller markets are really important as they tend to still have a lot of the items the grocery stores run out of.
3. Access to large hospitals.
4. Fabulous yard to keep us busy.
5. Weather that allows us to be outside a lot!
6. Really good internet connection.
What I wish we had:
1. More than one bathroom (dear god!)
2. A larger house
Could you get a place with a private pool, lake or beach? That'd be ideal.
Not to freak you out, but there is a chance you could indeed have it right now - so just consider not only where you want to hide out, but where you'd be comfortable getting sick, and where you'd feel safe if you became very ill and needed to be hospitalized.
posted by Toddles at 10:25 PM on March 20, 2020
Some things I like about where we are now:
1. Access to a local park, plenty of places to walk/run with safe sidewalks while still social distancing. (Highly recommend being able to safely get out and walk/run/hike around). If you could be near hiking or nature trails, that would be ideal.
2. Access to *many* large grocery stores AND smaller markets AND pharmacies. The smaller markets are really important as they tend to still have a lot of the items the grocery stores run out of.
3. Access to large hospitals.
4. Fabulous yard to keep us busy.
5. Weather that allows us to be outside a lot!
6. Really good internet connection.
What I wish we had:
1. More than one bathroom (dear god!)
2. A larger house
Could you get a place with a private pool, lake or beach? That'd be ideal.
Not to freak you out, but there is a chance you could indeed have it right now - so just consider not only where you want to hide out, but where you'd be comfortable getting sick, and where you'd feel safe if you became very ill and needed to be hospitalized.
posted by Toddles at 10:25 PM on March 20, 2020
Apartment dweller in dense neighbourhood with no balcony or outdoor space for COVID-19 social distancing and OH MY GOD get outdoor space or at least a balcony. I have never felt more claustrophobic in my life. Please.
Also none of the people around us use their balconies and I HATE THEM. But wish them well.
posted by urbanlenny at 11:18 PM on March 20, 2020
Also none of the people around us use their balconies and I HATE THEM. But wish them well.
posted by urbanlenny at 11:18 PM on March 20, 2020
Where do you have community? I'd go there, if it's not too far. I don't think you should go anywhere very far right now. Pick a place with access to grocery stores and with some people you know, and rent something on AirBnb as quickly as you can. I wouldn't recommend traveling.
posted by bluedaisy at 11:18 PM on March 20, 2020
posted by bluedaisy at 11:18 PM on March 20, 2020
I have just moved to our family farm which is in the region where there are the least cases and also the best preparation from the authorities. This has been incredible for my anxiety, after just three days. It's also great that there is a lot of space and I can go for long walks (which I haven't yet because I'm working from home and it is harder than I thought it would be. I'm going to give myself some weekend time).
This is normally a tourist area, so there are two large grocery stores and a small pharmacy in the village that are stocked up and that are very careful in upholding the rules because of the good work on the authorities' side. The downside is that this is actually a quite (stupid) conservative area and one of my neighbors came by stating that he didn't care for the precautions. I gently but firmly shoved him out. Another neighbor came by and kept a distance, he was good.
posted by mumimor at 2:00 AM on March 21, 2020
This is normally a tourist area, so there are two large grocery stores and a small pharmacy in the village that are stocked up and that are very careful in upholding the rules because of the good work on the authorities' side. The downside is that this is actually a quite (stupid) conservative area and one of my neighbors came by stating that he didn't care for the precautions. I gently but firmly shoved him out. Another neighbor came by and kept a distance, he was good.
posted by mumimor at 2:00 AM on March 21, 2020
Avoid second-home markets/tourist destination towns. In the Northeast, people fleeing the cities and moving to seasonal vacation rentals or second homes are being met by near torch-and-pitchfork levels of ire from locals who are concerned about city folk bringing virus spread and the overwhelm of local resources which are set up for very small year-round populations. I can understand why these areas seem attractive but when you go to Step 2, there are only problems.
posted by Miko at 6:27 AM on March 21, 2020
posted by Miko at 6:27 AM on March 21, 2020
I have to say, living in Ohio right now, that I'm super impressed with our Governor. Everything was shut down last weekend. Everything. And the restrictions just keep getting tighter and tighter. He's taking this very seriously. And we have lots of outdoor spaces and parks that are still open (minus the nature centers) that can easily accommodate social distancing.
So I'd recommend a state that has taken the medical community's advice about shutting things down and enforcing social distancing.
posted by cooker girl at 6:49 AM on March 21, 2020
So I'd recommend a state that has taken the medical community's advice about shutting things down and enforcing social distancing.
posted by cooker girl at 6:49 AM on March 21, 2020
We've been living on a sailboat in a small fishing village in Mexico and are returning to Miami, where my family is, but we don't have our own home anywhere in the states and we can't stay with family this time. We found a VRBO that specifically is for longer term rentals. I would search for those.
Also, depending on the town, apartment buildings have month-to-month furnished housing that's available to anyone, but usually marketed to business travelers if marketed publicly at all. A way to find them in the city you're thinking of is Suite America. Browse their site and see what's available. It would be much cheaper to contact the building directly as Suite America is geared towards businesses rather than individuals paying but they're full service, so you'd get a fully furnished apartment with housewares, towels, equipped kitchen. When we did this in Portland, OR last year, we found two buildings in the city that offered month-to-month furnished housing directly to individuals. In one case, the furniture and housewares were already in the apartment, in the other, the building directed us to a furniture rental company they regularly work with that we could lease the furniture and the housewares from and this was significantly cheaper than Suite America. So, if the unit isn't already furnished but is available for month-to-month rental, ask if they work with anyone or google furniture, or event, rentals.
One more thing: While Portland, Or has less cases than Miami, we really wanted to be near my family as I'm an only child while my husband is not. I think you can go where your family is, even if the cases are higher, if you plan on quarantining yourselves really strictly.
posted by vivzan at 8:07 AM on March 21, 2020
Also, depending on the town, apartment buildings have month-to-month furnished housing that's available to anyone, but usually marketed to business travelers if marketed publicly at all. A way to find them in the city you're thinking of is Suite America. Browse their site and see what's available. It would be much cheaper to contact the building directly as Suite America is geared towards businesses rather than individuals paying but they're full service, so you'd get a fully furnished apartment with housewares, towels, equipped kitchen. When we did this in Portland, OR last year, we found two buildings in the city that offered month-to-month furnished housing directly to individuals. In one case, the furniture and housewares were already in the apartment, in the other, the building directed us to a furniture rental company they regularly work with that we could lease the furniture and the housewares from and this was significantly cheaper than Suite America. So, if the unit isn't already furnished but is available for month-to-month rental, ask if they work with anyone or google furniture, or event, rentals.
One more thing: While Portland, Or has less cases than Miami, we really wanted to be near my family as I'm an only child while my husband is not. I think you can go where your family is, even if the cases are higher, if you plan on quarantining yourselves really strictly.
posted by vivzan at 8:07 AM on March 21, 2020
We are a retired couple living in our 3 bedroom house on a surburban street. The neighborhood is 1/2 acre zoning, and I can go for a walk around the block without seeing another pedestrian besides maybe a dog walker or two.
I would not want to be in a rural area not in easy reach of a good hospital.
Food is an issue. Peapod, the food delivery service of Stop & Shop, is maxed out. My wife went to the early hours for seniors at 6 am this morning. She said it was about as busy a usual quiet weekday morning. Zip in frozen vegetables, meat case not yet stocked (save for sausages), fresh produce being stocked. Pretty much everthing else was available, save cream cheese, but some shelves looked picked over. It looks like we could get home delivery from Whole Foods via Amazon.
Aside from food, our biggest risk is probably doctor appointments.
posted by SemiSalt at 8:39 AM on March 21, 2020
I would not want to be in a rural area not in easy reach of a good hospital.
Food is an issue. Peapod, the food delivery service of Stop & Shop, is maxed out. My wife went to the early hours for seniors at 6 am this morning. She said it was about as busy a usual quiet weekday morning. Zip in frozen vegetables, meat case not yet stocked (save for sausages), fresh produce being stocked. Pretty much everthing else was available, save cream cheese, but some shelves looked picked over. It looks like we could get home delivery from Whole Foods via Amazon.
Aside from food, our biggest risk is probably doctor appointments.
posted by SemiSalt at 8:39 AM on March 21, 2020
I feel lucky that my space has:
- Safe outdoor space to receive parcels - in my case a porch with an opaque railing, so passersby can't be tempted by parcels and we don't need to rush to bring them in. I really appreciate this because it means I can receive deliveries of goods and food without interacting with a human.
I can also nudge parcels to the side of the porch for a day or so, and let air and UV light do their thing to slightly lessen the number of viable pathogens on the packaging before I touch them.
- Private yard space - in my case a small fenced backyard that borders on a few friendly neighbours, but not on a public street. I know nobody has been back there, so we can sit out back and let our child play freely without compromising our isolation.
- Extra fridge space - we have a second fridge and freezer. They're well-stocked with easy-to-cook stuff in case we get sick.
- Excellent wifi - so we can videochat and stream TV.
- An "airlock" area - the exterior door of the house opens into a private hallway, and then a second door opens into our living space.
It's impossible for us to maintain perfect isolation due to some frontline work - but that sealed hallway allows us a place to strip out of our "public" clothing and shoes, dump the clothes into a dedicated hamper, and then enter the living space in our underwear, to go straight into the shower.
- Laundry!! Ours is easy to access (it's very conveniently located right in our airlock hallway), and it's private and free. Plus we have the space to add an extra hamper just for "Covid clothes" and backpacks that have been worn in public places, and thus don't come into the main living space.
There's also space to put our keys and phones down on the top of the metal washing machine and spritz them with rubbing alcohol before we bring them inside.
One small thing that would be awesome: I now realize the practicality and accessibility value of lever doorknobs and faucets- they can be opened with a tap from a clean elbow instead of needing a grip from a dirty hand!
posted by nouvelle-personne at 7:47 PM on March 21, 2020
- Safe outdoor space to receive parcels - in my case a porch with an opaque railing, so passersby can't be tempted by parcels and we don't need to rush to bring them in. I really appreciate this because it means I can receive deliveries of goods and food without interacting with a human.
I can also nudge parcels to the side of the porch for a day or so, and let air and UV light do their thing to slightly lessen the number of viable pathogens on the packaging before I touch them.
- Private yard space - in my case a small fenced backyard that borders on a few friendly neighbours, but not on a public street. I know nobody has been back there, so we can sit out back and let our child play freely without compromising our isolation.
- Extra fridge space - we have a second fridge and freezer. They're well-stocked with easy-to-cook stuff in case we get sick.
- Excellent wifi - so we can videochat and stream TV.
- An "airlock" area - the exterior door of the house opens into a private hallway, and then a second door opens into our living space.
It's impossible for us to maintain perfect isolation due to some frontline work - but that sealed hallway allows us a place to strip out of our "public" clothing and shoes, dump the clothes into a dedicated hamper, and then enter the living space in our underwear, to go straight into the shower.
- Laundry!! Ours is easy to access (it's very conveniently located right in our airlock hallway), and it's private and free. Plus we have the space to add an extra hamper just for "Covid clothes" and backpacks that have been worn in public places, and thus don't come into the main living space.
There's also space to put our keys and phones down on the top of the metal washing machine and spritz them with rubbing alcohol before we bring them inside.
One small thing that would be awesome: I now realize the practicality and accessibility value of lever doorknobs and faucets- they can be opened with a tap from a clean elbow instead of needing a grip from a dirty hand!
posted by nouvelle-personne at 7:47 PM on March 21, 2020
If your main goal is to get temporary housing in an area that mitigates your exposure to Covid-19, then I'd take a look at the most recent CDC confirmed cases map and start there.
I would actually ignore the confirmed case numbers - at this point, they’re really more about which locations are testing. I live in an area without many confirmed cases, but there is proven community spread and there are lots of people who have symptoms but who won’t be tested.
I would definitely pick an apartment/ condo/ house with private outdoor space as my first priority; I feel very lucky to have a yard right now!
posted by insectosaurus at 6:30 AM on March 22, 2020
I would actually ignore the confirmed case numbers - at this point, they’re really more about which locations are testing. I live in an area without many confirmed cases, but there is proven community spread and there are lots of people who have symptoms but who won’t be tested.
I would definitely pick an apartment/ condo/ house with private outdoor space as my first priority; I feel very lucky to have a yard right now!
posted by insectosaurus at 6:30 AM on March 22, 2020
I’m surprised at many of the answers... in the uk now so many folks are fleeing to second homes and vacation rentals and the advice is that you should not impose yourself on local people’s healthcare systems. I don’t know how I feel about this, it makes some sense that might not apply to you.
posted by pairofshades at 9:06 AM on March 22, 2020
posted by pairofshades at 9:06 AM on March 22, 2020
I'm reading this as saying that OP doesn't have a permanent location of their own to hunker down in. They have to live somewhere. I think avoiding vacation-y spots without lots of health care capacity is the main thing you want to keep in mind.
If this were my deal, I might be looking at renting somewhere like Phoenix, in a detached home. Easy to social-distance, access to good healthcare, not that expensive, plenty of sunshine, much cheaper than the major coastal cities, and relatively low risk of a second natural disaster hitting on top of Covid-19.
A lot of the disadvantages of a place like that -- super car-driven lifestyle and traffic, oppressive summer heat -- would be mitigated by a shelter-in-place lifestyle, as long as your AC is decent. You also have a couple of months before the daytime heat would get too brutal.
posted by en forme de poire at 6:56 PM on March 23, 2020
If this were my deal, I might be looking at renting somewhere like Phoenix, in a detached home. Easy to social-distance, access to good healthcare, not that expensive, plenty of sunshine, much cheaper than the major coastal cities, and relatively low risk of a second natural disaster hitting on top of Covid-19.
A lot of the disadvantages of a place like that -- super car-driven lifestyle and traffic, oppressive summer heat -- would be mitigated by a shelter-in-place lifestyle, as long as your AC is decent. You also have a couple of months before the daytime heat would get too brutal.
posted by en forme de poire at 6:56 PM on March 23, 2020
Thanks for the feedback, y'all. True that we don't have a permanent address. We got a AirBnB in an older neighborhood. We have a yard and screened patio. The liquor store has curbside delivery. We have the option to bounce somewhere else in a month if things get too hairy.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:07 PM on March 23, 2020
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:07 PM on March 23, 2020
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