When to cash EE savings bonds?
January 2, 2018 1:27 PM Subscribe
While I was home for the holidays, my parents gave me a bunch of savings bonds that had been bought for me while I was a kid (and that I subsequently forgot existed). Now I have a few thousand dollars in EE savings bonds -- great! Except, when should I sell them?
Me:
* Late 20-something single man, with no kids or dependents
* No student/car/credit card debt
* Looking to buy a house in 2018, but otherwise no immediate need for this money and financial situation is good
* Currently at bottom of new federal tax bracket and likely to stay in that bracket for near future, barring a marriage, kid, unemployment, or significant job change
* No education-related expenses expected
Bonds:
* Issued from Dec 1988 to Oct 1997, so all bonds have hit their original maturity date and have anywhere from 1 to 10 years until final maturity.
* About $8500 of bonds (current value) was issued in 1994 or earlier, and they're currently getting the guaranteed interest floor of 4%.
* The remaining $2500 was issued after Oct 1995, and they're currently getting market-based interest rates around 1.6%.
Current thinking:
* In my current tax position, I wouldn't get much, if any, of a tax advantage from holding each bond to final maturity.
* If current interest rates held steady, I'd realize about $1500 total in additional interest over the next 10 years. (Near-term it seems like interest rates are likely to continue to rise given the Fed's rate increases, but I have no desire to muck around with long-term interest forecasting.)
* It's simplest and easiest to just sell them all now.
* I could use the proceeds to help make a 20% down payment on a house purchase and avoid PMI, with the excess either going towards a bigger down payment (since a mortgage at 3.5%-4% would be comparable to the bond) or (more likely) put into higher-yield retirement or other investment accounts since I have a long investment horizon.
Does my thinking make sense on this? Any advice on when to sell, or resources that would be helpful? I considered consulting a financial planner, but I don't think it's worth it since I'm just deciding about $1-$2K in potential foregone interest. Thanks!
Me:
* Late 20-something single man, with no kids or dependents
* No student/car/credit card debt
* Looking to buy a house in 2018, but otherwise no immediate need for this money and financial situation is good
* Currently at bottom of new federal tax bracket and likely to stay in that bracket for near future, barring a marriage, kid, unemployment, or significant job change
* No education-related expenses expected
Bonds:
* Issued from Dec 1988 to Oct 1997, so all bonds have hit their original maturity date and have anywhere from 1 to 10 years until final maturity.
* About $8500 of bonds (current value) was issued in 1994 or earlier, and they're currently getting the guaranteed interest floor of 4%.
* The remaining $2500 was issued after Oct 1995, and they're currently getting market-based interest rates around 1.6%.
Current thinking:
* In my current tax position, I wouldn't get much, if any, of a tax advantage from holding each bond to final maturity.
* If current interest rates held steady, I'd realize about $1500 total in additional interest over the next 10 years. (Near-term it seems like interest rates are likely to continue to rise given the Fed's rate increases, but I have no desire to muck around with long-term interest forecasting.)
* It's simplest and easiest to just sell them all now.
* I could use the proceeds to help make a 20% down payment on a house purchase and avoid PMI, with the excess either going towards a bigger down payment (since a mortgage at 3.5%-4% would be comparable to the bond) or (more likely) put into higher-yield retirement or other investment accounts since I have a long investment horizon.
Does my thinking make sense on this? Any advice on when to sell, or resources that would be helpful? I considered consulting a financial planner, but I don't think it's worth it since I'm just deciding about $1-$2K in potential foregone interest. Thanks!
If the value that you'd spend on PMI until you got your principle down to 80% is more than the roughly $1500 you might make in the next 10 years, I'd say cash them now and use that money exactly as you've planned.
posted by hanov3r at 2:30 PM on January 2, 2018
posted by hanov3r at 2:30 PM on January 2, 2018
I inherited some bonds earning 4% and since that's higher than I can get in any money market funds I could find right now, I've left them in there and only cash them out as they mature. I don't need the money though. What ever you do, you'll probably need an emergency fund, so it may make sense to leave as many of the ones making 4% to use as an emergency fund and only cash out the ones earning market rate, or the oldest ones still earning 4% that are about to mature until you absolutely need the money.
posted by willnot at 2:36 PM on January 2, 2018
posted by willnot at 2:36 PM on January 2, 2018
...you can do it at any bank...
But not at any credit union. Maybe at some, but not at mine. I had to open a bank account to be able to cash in treasury bonds.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:28 PM on January 2, 2018
But not at any credit union. Maybe at some, but not at mine. I had to open a bank account to be able to cash in treasury bonds.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:28 PM on January 2, 2018
Keep the ones at 4%. There's no way to get a guaranteed interest rate that high now.
You can convert them all to electronic bonds at treasurydirect.gov, although the website is truly horrible so paper might be a better option.
posted by unix at 5:45 PM on January 2, 2018
You can convert them all to electronic bonds at treasurydirect.gov, although the website is truly horrible so paper might be a better option.
posted by unix at 5:45 PM on January 2, 2018
I think that EE? bonds can be used to pay for education with no/little tax hit as well, so I don't know if you've already gone to school or are planning to somewhen, in which case, that might also be of interest to you. : )
posted by bitterkitten at 10:04 AM on January 3, 2018
posted by bitterkitten at 10:04 AM on January 3, 2018
A 30-year treasury bond is yielding under 3% now; are you sure your mortgage is going to be higher than 4%? With the new standard deduction only very high income people (like $250K and up) are going to be itemizing, so mortgage interest isn't going to be tax deductible, as I understand it. Feel free to cash in the market interest rate bonds if you want, though you're still making $15 per $1K per year, which isn't nothing.
posted by wnissen at 10:41 AM on January 4, 2018
posted by wnissen at 10:41 AM on January 4, 2018
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posted by Caz721 at 1:45 PM on January 2, 2018