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September 19, 2014 11:37 AM Subscribe
What other places could I live? Outside NYC/lower cost of living filter.
Places that offer the following would be great: 1) public transportation and/or can easily walk places; 2) arts community (ie, plays, museums); 3) must be a major airport nearby (for working); 4) city population should have some people with liberal politics (its okay if it is a mix of red and blue, but I don't want to be in a predominantly conservative, religious place); 5) parks would be great to walk in; 6) lower cost of living (ie, rents $500 to $1000 max for a studio is fine) and if one wanted to buy, something less than 100 K, even a studio, is doable; 7) not too hot temperature wise (as in a dessert or 100+ degrees on a regular basis would not be comfortable).
In addition, a plus -but not mandatory- would be great cycling areas, ideally rail trails or open areas that are 50 some miles or more, but not city cycling or riding a bridge with billions of other people. Other pluses would be places with a lot of history (ie, historic graveyards, forts, ruins that one can visit) - but this is not mandatory and can be done on vacation. Oh wait, and science fiction, not that there are normally events around that, but it is a life long thing I enjoy/connect with other people who enjoy it. Why not throw in one more? Cutting edge up-to-date lectures (ie, similar to the World Science Festival here in NYC). Everything in this paragraph is a plus, not required.
I currently live in NYC and have lived here the last 7 years or so. I do have to say that I enjoy many aspects of city living: the many things that one can do (ie, theater, lectures, museums); ease of public transportation; and easy to meet people and find someone to get along with/make friends (possibly a wide diversity of people).
However, the challenge is that I earn what I would categorize as a middle class wage in most part of the country (but not middle class here, and probably here and a few other high cost of living areas), and every year, rents go up here by a significant amount. I have considered buying property (and do have money to make a down payment), but the capital would be tied up and by my calculation, most of my money would still go into payment for the place that I live. I have decided that I value other things, like time, and to keep on working here, I would have work more and more hours. So I would move somewhere that my dollar can go further.
I am self employed (and the work is steady/strong), so employment figures for the potential places to live does not matter at all.
If you recommend a particular city or place, it would be great to know if you would recommend a specific neighborhood or place in the city. I can google and have found potential cities with what I think are okay rents(see tags), but I have no idea if the rent for a place on the map actually has public transportation nearby or is even walkable, etc.
It would be great to hear if you made such a transition and are happy with it. I will be honest and say I would make this move for the money, but I do really like living here (I do have friends here/and have found it easy to meet people) and am afraid that I would be bored/miserable if I pick the wrong places. I have thought even if I don't get as much as what I want in terms of city, I might be able to supplement it with podcasts, trips to other places. I have also thought of picking a new city every other year. Even if I move every other year, with a lower cost of living = still save more money.
Places that offer the following would be great: 1) public transportation and/or can easily walk places; 2) arts community (ie, plays, museums); 3) must be a major airport nearby (for working); 4) city population should have some people with liberal politics (its okay if it is a mix of red and blue, but I don't want to be in a predominantly conservative, religious place); 5) parks would be great to walk in; 6) lower cost of living (ie, rents $500 to $1000 max for a studio is fine) and if one wanted to buy, something less than 100 K, even a studio, is doable; 7) not too hot temperature wise (as in a dessert or 100+ degrees on a regular basis would not be comfortable).
In addition, a plus -but not mandatory- would be great cycling areas, ideally rail trails or open areas that are 50 some miles or more, but not city cycling or riding a bridge with billions of other people. Other pluses would be places with a lot of history (ie, historic graveyards, forts, ruins that one can visit) - but this is not mandatory and can be done on vacation. Oh wait, and science fiction, not that there are normally events around that, but it is a life long thing I enjoy/connect with other people who enjoy it. Why not throw in one more? Cutting edge up-to-date lectures (ie, similar to the World Science Festival here in NYC). Everything in this paragraph is a plus, not required.
I currently live in NYC and have lived here the last 7 years or so. I do have to say that I enjoy many aspects of city living: the many things that one can do (ie, theater, lectures, museums); ease of public transportation; and easy to meet people and find someone to get along with/make friends (possibly a wide diversity of people).
However, the challenge is that I earn what I would categorize as a middle class wage in most part of the country (but not middle class here, and probably here and a few other high cost of living areas), and every year, rents go up here by a significant amount. I have considered buying property (and do have money to make a down payment), but the capital would be tied up and by my calculation, most of my money would still go into payment for the place that I live. I have decided that I value other things, like time, and to keep on working here, I would have work more and more hours. So I would move somewhere that my dollar can go further.
I am self employed (and the work is steady/strong), so employment figures for the potential places to live does not matter at all.
If you recommend a particular city or place, it would be great to know if you would recommend a specific neighborhood or place in the city. I can google and have found potential cities with what I think are okay rents(see tags), but I have no idea if the rent for a place on the map actually has public transportation nearby or is even walkable, etc.
It would be great to hear if you made such a transition and are happy with it. I will be honest and say I would make this move for the money, but I do really like living here (I do have friends here/and have found it easy to meet people) and am afraid that I would be bored/miserable if I pick the wrong places. I have thought even if I don't get as much as what I want in terms of city, I might be able to supplement it with podcasts, trips to other places. I have also thought of picking a new city every other year. Even if I move every other year, with a lower cost of living = still save more money.
I see you're already on the trail, but Minneapolis/St. Paul ticks off just about every single thing on your list. A traditional home of progressive politics (Michele Bachmann is a fluke of the suburbs), an incredibly well-developed public park system with miles and miles of bike trails, supposedly more theatre seats per capita than NYC, interesting history, a great science fiction crowd, more lectures than you can shake a stick at through the various colleges and universities in the area and affordable with high quality of life. Outside of a few weeks in August, the temp is obviously not very high.
As far as neighborhoods, the area around Lake Nokomis is near the airport and has most of what you're looking for, but there are a wealth of great neighborhoods throughout both cities.
posted by goggie at 11:47 AM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
As far as neighborhoods, the area around Lake Nokomis is near the airport and has most of what you're looking for, but there are a wealth of great neighborhoods throughout both cities.
posted by goggie at 11:47 AM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Look into Durham, NC. A small city with multiple major universities nearby, so tons of art, museums, music, etc. Great food. Urban but with lot and lots of nature around. The cities in NC are pretty blue. There's an international airport in Raleigh, a few miles away. (I live in NYC as well but am from NC.)
posted by showbiz_liz at 12:01 PM on September 19, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by showbiz_liz at 12:01 PM on September 19, 2014 [4 favorites]
Pittsburgh. Take a look at the Bloomfield and Lawrenceville neighborhoods, in particular.
posted by jon1270 at 12:05 PM on September 19, 2014 [4 favorites]
posted by jon1270 at 12:05 PM on September 19, 2014 [4 favorites]
Savannah would work fine. It does get hot, but almost never up to 100. Lots of museums and artists, great parks, lots of people on bikes, all the historic stuff, forts, etc. I live in a a neighborhood called Baldwin Park, near downtown and rent a three bedroom apartment for 750. a month. Studios and one-bedrooms can be tricky to find. Buying is definitely an option. Feel free to memail if you have more questions.
posted by mareli at 12:17 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by mareli at 12:17 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Cleveland, Ohio. Only thing that's potentially dicey is that most of it is not particularly walkable. Downtown, the near-west side, or some of your inner-ring suburbs are probably best in that regard. The public transportation is also pretty location specific.
Plenty of culture (world class orchestra, theater district, art museums), tons of history, the emerald necklace for all things outdoorsy, great food (& such large portions!), blue-est enclave in the state but enough political diversity to keep things interesting, very affordable housing market (plus cheap rent!), and a major airport (although no longer a hub). Rarely too hot, & the lake keeps it fairly temperate.
posted by anthropophagous at 12:20 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
Plenty of culture (world class orchestra, theater district, art museums), tons of history, the emerald necklace for all things outdoorsy, great food (& such large portions!), blue-est enclave in the state but enough political diversity to keep things interesting, very affordable housing market (plus cheap rent!), and a major airport (although no longer a hub). Rarely too hot, & the lake keeps it fairly temperate.
posted by anthropophagous at 12:20 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
I think you would like Chicago, and with your budget you could do well in almost any neighborhood, especially the fun, hip ones.
posted by bleep at 12:26 PM on September 19, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by bleep at 12:26 PM on September 19, 2014 [3 favorites]
Sounds like Philly is exactly what you're looking for, with the added benefit of being 2 hours by cheap bus away from NYC if you want to visit friends on the weekend.
posted by Itaxpica at 12:28 PM on September 19, 2014 [5 favorites]
posted by Itaxpica at 12:28 PM on September 19, 2014 [5 favorites]
You might want to look into Philadelphia, which is surprisingly cheap for an East Coast city (certainly MUCH cheaper than NYC, and also much cheaper than Boston). I think it meets many of your criteria (lots of public trans, parks, cultural events, ridiculous amounts of history (more extant 18th-century history/buildings than virtually anywhere else in the country), etc., and I think you could find a studio or one-bedroom downtown for $1000/month, or you could buy something in up-and-coming neighborhoods slightly north of downtown, like Fishtown. I am not super familiar with Philadelphia, so maybe someone else can chime in, but it definitely might be something to consider.
posted by ClaireBear at 12:29 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
posted by ClaireBear at 12:29 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Portland
Denver
Philly! (rents are sooooo cheap)
maybe Atlanta (city proper, not the suburbs)
[real estate prices will really depend on the specific neighborhood, but rents are within your range]
Currently in NYC, but my husband and I were recently looking at a potential relocation within the US as well. We had complete flexibility basically, but somewhat similar requirements to you. I found it helpful to print out a map of the US and start shading in areas I knew I didn't want [e.g., really cold winters, contaminated drinking water, tornadoes, Florida, very conservative, etc.]. Then, with what was left, I circled the cities with at least a decent regional airport. That allowed me to narrow it down to about 10. From that, I looked at culture/arts and transportation. We ended up staying put (for the moment) but this process worked really well for us.
posted by melissasaurus at 12:29 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Denver
Philly! (rents are sooooo cheap)
maybe Atlanta (city proper, not the suburbs)
[real estate prices will really depend on the specific neighborhood, but rents are within your range]
Currently in NYC, but my husband and I were recently looking at a potential relocation within the US as well. We had complete flexibility basically, but somewhat similar requirements to you. I found it helpful to print out a map of the US and start shading in areas I knew I didn't want [e.g., really cold winters, contaminated drinking water, tornadoes, Florida, very conservative, etc.]. Then, with what was left, I circled the cities with at least a decent regional airport. That allowed me to narrow it down to about 10. From that, I looked at culture/arts and transportation. We ended up staying put (for the moment) but this process worked really well for us.
posted by melissasaurus at 12:29 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
You're pretty much describing Providence, RI. Every single thing on your list is here.
posted by oinopaponton at 12:30 PM on September 19, 2014 [3 favorites]
posted by oinopaponton at 12:30 PM on September 19, 2014 [3 favorites]
I'm a transplanted New Yorker living in Providence, RI currently. For me, there's not much that compares to NYC, but I completely understand the cost of living issues.
As I read down your lists of wants, I think PVD ticks every box, although the airport issue may be iffy for you. There is a Providence airport nearby, which I've used with no issue and it's easy to get to, but for international flights and the like, you'd want to use Logan in Boston, which isn't horribly far away.
Otherwise, consider west providence. There's bike trails aplenty. And, yes, there's an art scene, mostly radiating out of RISD. Also, Brown's here.
The food's good, too, as there's a really good culinary school in the middle of Providence, so a lot of trained chefs stick around.
I walk downcity to work every day and am paying less than $1000/month for a 1 BR in a Victorian house. I don't own a car and do just fine here, although I do resort to using ZipCar every few months.
The city's fairly liberal, although politics here are pretty whack when it comes to how the state's governed.
There are parks aplenty. I live just a couple blocks from a largish one.
And weather-wise, you'll pretty much get NYC's weather, but with a 10° F discount as there is a much, much smaller concrete and ashphalt footprint here.
posted by ursus_comiter at 12:31 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
As I read down your lists of wants, I think PVD ticks every box, although the airport issue may be iffy for you. There is a Providence airport nearby, which I've used with no issue and it's easy to get to, but for international flights and the like, you'd want to use Logan in Boston, which isn't horribly far away.
Otherwise, consider west providence. There's bike trails aplenty. And, yes, there's an art scene, mostly radiating out of RISD. Also, Brown's here.
The food's good, too, as there's a really good culinary school in the middle of Providence, so a lot of trained chefs stick around.
I walk downcity to work every day and am paying less than $1000/month for a 1 BR in a Victorian house. I don't own a car and do just fine here, although I do resort to using ZipCar every few months.
The city's fairly liberal, although politics here are pretty whack when it comes to how the state's governed.
There are parks aplenty. I live just a couple blocks from a largish one.
And weather-wise, you'll pretty much get NYC's weather, but with a 10° F discount as there is a much, much smaller concrete and ashphalt footprint here.
posted by ursus_comiter at 12:31 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
I should add -- I just moved to Providence after living in Manhattan for several years and while there are some things that are hard to get used to (quiet and dark at night, relative lack of diversity, no good Chinese food), it is astoundingly affordable, walkable, historic, beautiful, and liberal.
posted by oinopaponton at 12:33 PM on September 19, 2014
posted by oinopaponton at 12:33 PM on September 19, 2014
Nthing Philadelphia.
posted by shallowcenter at 12:39 PM on September 19, 2014
posted by shallowcenter at 12:39 PM on September 19, 2014
If you're looking for hard numbers, I pay $650/month in Philly for a modest one bedroom on the edge of a cute business district with nice bars and restaurants. Had I been willing to go for slightly less surface area, or been more flexible in terms of neighborhoods, my rent could have been even a bit lower. My New York and Boston friends are all astonished when they see or hear about the place.
You can walk in the best city park ever, bike for miles along the Schuylkill River, see really famous paintings at the art museum, and go to the science festival every spring.
Join us! We haven't had regular meet-ups in a while, would be lovely to have a reason to call one!
posted by ActionPopulated at 12:55 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
You can walk in the best city park ever, bike for miles along the Schuylkill River, see really famous paintings at the art museum, and go to the science festival every spring.
Join us! We haven't had regular meet-ups in a while, would be lovely to have a reason to call one!
posted by ActionPopulated at 12:55 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
Madison, WI, home of WisCon and other science fiction lovers, etc. Our airport is not "major" but is very nice and caters to business travelers, and Milwaukee is only an hour and a half away for a larger one.
Hits everything on your list.
posted by Madamina at 12:58 PM on September 19, 2014
Hits everything on your list.
posted by Madamina at 12:58 PM on September 19, 2014
Seconding Pittsburgh. Back in 2003, I lived on the edge of East Liberty, literally just across the tracks from expensive Shadyside (which catered to the richer parts of Carnegie Mellon). East Liberty was a lot more interesting, and proximity to Shadyside meant it had things like good supermarkets (Whole Foods, but also a Giant Eagle, which is union). Further into East Liberty, it's a historic African American neighborhood with relatively healthy locally-owned commerce (amazing haberdashery, old bars levitating between dive, hip, and glam). Over towards Friendship, it's more Scots-Irish and Italian if I remember right, with a locally owned hardware store. You'd want to get more recent information than I can provide re the shifting tides of gentrification etc., but somewhere around there you should be able to find your sweet spot. Public transportation is great, and express buses downtown have their own private sunken busway, so they're speedy. I was car-free and totally happy with it. Great thrift stores, great libraries (thanks to Andrew Carnegie and the unions who decided they'd rather organize their own libraries than let their children set foot in his), the Strip is open 24/7 ... oh yeah, scifi: there's an annual conference, and the same group hosts monthly meetings.
Here's the thing about Pittsburgh: there's been more than a generation of widespread long-term unemployment. Consequently:
-The folks born in Pittsburgh who stayed were people who really, really valued the social networks in which they were enmeshed. My neighbors were the neighborliest neighbors ever. Pessimistic, obstinate, kindly, privacy-respecting.
-The people who had moved there on purpose seemed mostly academic or artist-types. To give you some of the flavor: there was a place called the Mattress Factory where installation artists would live for months while creating installations.
posted by feral_goldfish at 12:59 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Here's the thing about Pittsburgh: there's been more than a generation of widespread long-term unemployment. Consequently:
-The folks born in Pittsburgh who stayed were people who really, really valued the social networks in which they were enmeshed. My neighbors were the neighborliest neighbors ever. Pessimistic, obstinate, kindly, privacy-respecting.
-The people who had moved there on purpose seemed mostly academic or artist-types. To give you some of the flavor: there was a place called the Mattress Factory where installation artists would live for months while creating installations.
posted by feral_goldfish at 12:59 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Tampa, specifically the Seminole Heights area, nails your list with the possible exception of historical sites but even that's an easy drive to get to some good stuff. Our area is ripe with forts and nearby (by car) St Augustine is a spooky graveyard lover's dream.
The airport is plopped in the middle of Tampa, our arts scene is positively thriving, and public transportation is great. Parks and bike trails are everywhere. Necronomicon is here and MegaCon is 90 minutes away in Orlando.
It's seriously not as hot here as everyone makes it out to be. Feel free to memail me if you want to know more.
posted by _Mona_ at 1:09 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
The airport is plopped in the middle of Tampa, our arts scene is positively thriving, and public transportation is great. Parks and bike trails are everywhere. Necronomicon is here and MegaCon is 90 minutes away in Orlando.
It's seriously not as hot here as everyone makes it out to be. Feel free to memail me if you want to know more.
posted by _Mona_ at 1:09 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
I will toss out San Diego as my suggestion.
I had to google the politics piece, which sounds like it would be okay with you and it would be tough to find something under $100k but it can be done.
The weather is awesome. The public transit is awesome. The international airport is the busiest single-runway commercial airport in the US and if it is insufficient, you are not far from LAX. It is, population-wise, a bigger city than San Francisco but substantially cheaper. I don't know if it hits your scifi thing, but Comic Con is an annual event in San Diego. The county does have cycling, wilderness areas, etc. There is UCSD in La Jolla and I have seen events at the Geisel Library there which might fit your desire for lectures.
I think it should be put on your list of possibilities.
posted by Michele in California at 1:47 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
I had to google the politics piece, which sounds like it would be okay with you and it would be tough to find something under $100k but it can be done.
The weather is awesome. The public transit is awesome. The international airport is the busiest single-runway commercial airport in the US and if it is insufficient, you are not far from LAX. It is, population-wise, a bigger city than San Francisco but substantially cheaper. I don't know if it hits your scifi thing, but Comic Con is an annual event in San Diego. The county does have cycling, wilderness areas, etc. There is UCSD in La Jolla and I have seen events at the Geisel Library there which might fit your desire for lectures.
I think it should be put on your list of possibilities.
posted by Michele in California at 1:47 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Chicago hits every single one of your points. I've loved the city and the area since I moved up here in 2006. You'd be in the third largest city in the country. It's very walkable (as long as you're not in the more.... destitute... areas of town) and has a good public transit system, including 2 of the very few 24-hour subway lines in the country. There's a reasonable cost of living for a large city and mostly left-leaning politics, although Illinois politics is almost universally corrupt. There are lots of parks (the city seal says "Urbs in Horto" -- City in a Garden, because of the amount of parks that were planned from the start) including pretty much the entire lakefront in one uninterrupted 18ish mile greenbelt. There's plenty of art both high (an opera, a symphony, numerous theater companies) and low. Climate is, well.... not hot; cold is another issue. And you're near two major airports. OK... one major international airport, and one smaller shitty one that Southwest flies out of.
I have lots of friends here who are young (late 20s to near 40), liberal, artsy, gainfully employed, and living without spending a lot of money -- and many do it completely car-free.
Yeah, I love this place.
On the down side, you have incredibly corrupt local politics, only slightly less corrupt state politics, a looming budget crisis, and one of the most sadly segregated cities in the country. But, eh... you can't have it all?
posted by jammer at 2:02 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
I have lots of friends here who are young (late 20s to near 40), liberal, artsy, gainfully employed, and living without spending a lot of money -- and many do it completely car-free.
Yeah, I love this place.
On the down side, you have incredibly corrupt local politics, only slightly less corrupt state politics, a looming budget crisis, and one of the most sadly segregated cities in the country. But, eh... you can't have it all?
posted by jammer at 2:02 PM on September 19, 2014 [2 favorites]
How about Ann Arbor, MI? The Detroit airport is only about 35 minutes away. No major museums, but plenty of performing arts.
posted by Johnny Assay at 2:23 PM on September 19, 2014
posted by Johnny Assay at 2:23 PM on September 19, 2014
Seconding Durham/Chapel Hill, NC. The only thing is it's in the South so you'll have hot, humid summers.
I really like Providence, but I suspect it's too close to Boston to allow for the type of lower-rent living you're looking for. (I've never priced apartments there.)
posted by tckma at 2:44 PM on September 19, 2014
I really like Providence, but I suspect it's too close to Boston to allow for the type of lower-rent living you're looking for. (I've never priced apartments there.)
posted by tckma at 2:44 PM on September 19, 2014
I really like Providence, but I suspect it's too close to Boston to allow for the type of lower-rent living you're looking for. (I've never priced apartments there.)
PVD is very cheap for the Northeast. We have a 3 br with parking in one of the priciest neighborhoods for $1500.
posted by oinopaponton at 2:50 PM on September 19, 2014
PVD is very cheap for the Northeast. We have a 3 br with parking in one of the priciest neighborhoods for $1500.
posted by oinopaponton at 2:50 PM on September 19, 2014
Nthing providence. Pretty cheap, has everything on your list to some degree, and Boston is an hour by train away when you need a bigger city. I live on the west side, which is cheaper and has its charms, but there's more going on on the east side near brown and risd. We pay in the middle of your range for a nice one bed, which is a pretty average price, though I've had two and three beds for not much more, they tend to be better deals.
Chicago also is probably a lot cheaper than you'd imagine and is a major city with everything on your list in spades.
posted by geegollygosh at 3:05 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Chicago also is probably a lot cheaper than you'd imagine and is a major city with everything on your list in spades.
posted by geegollygosh at 3:05 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Atlanta might be worth a look. It's full of wonderful little neighborhoods and if you live close to MARTA you can get to and and from all sorts of cool places.
The Beltline is a great project and should provide a wonderful link from neighborhood to neighborhood.
Here are some great little neighborhoods.
Decatur
Virginia Highland
There are other neighborhoods, but I like those two for a start.
We have arts out the ying-yang. They're doing Music Midtown tomorrow. Great theater, Alliance, Atlanta Shakespeare Festival, Horizon Theater. All do some really great shows.
It's friendly and wooded and green.
I'll buy you a beer if you decide to visit. Just let me know!
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 4:26 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
The Beltline is a great project and should provide a wonderful link from neighborhood to neighborhood.
Here are some great little neighborhoods.
Decatur
Virginia Highland
There are other neighborhoods, but I like those two for a start.
We have arts out the ying-yang. They're doing Music Midtown tomorrow. Great theater, Alliance, Atlanta Shakespeare Festival, Horizon Theater. All do some really great shows.
It's friendly and wooded and green.
I'll buy you a beer if you decide to visit. Just let me know!
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 4:26 PM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]
Another vote for Chicago. Hits everything on your list and then some. A couple neighborhoods people I know live in and adore are Ravenswood and Andersonville.
posted by SisterHavana at 12:24 AM on September 20, 2014 [2 favorites]
posted by SisterHavana at 12:24 AM on September 20, 2014 [2 favorites]
Chicago. It's got everything you're looking for.
posted by persona au gratin at 12:59 AM on September 20, 2014
posted by persona au gratin at 12:59 AM on September 20, 2014
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You need to be careful about neighbourhood choice if you want to live truly car-free but I have friends living in Minneapolis proper who get by just fine. For specific neighbourhoods in MPLS, look at Northeast, or Powderhorn. For a quieter lifestyle, St. Paul's Lowertown and Frogtown seem to be popular.
posted by sparklemotion at 11:44 AM on September 19, 2014 [1 favorite]