Just got fired. Interested in suggestions for a career outside of finance.
November 18, 2012 10:42 AM Subscribe
Just got fired. Interested in suggestions for a career outside of finance.
I got laid off on Friday as part of a restructuring. They told me it was not performance-related. I was a junior trader at a NYC investment bank. I have over 3 years work experience, all in finance, and my undergrad and master's are in technical subjects.
I wasn't very happy in that job, and I used to secretly fantasize about getting fired so I could do something else with my life. I liked the relatively high pay, and I found some parts of the job exciting, like working a live, high risk order, but I loathed other parts of it, especially the rigid dedovshchina-like hierarchy of juniors and seniors, and the long hours (55-60 hours a week). I was stuck with doing all the shitty tasks nobody else wanted to do but had to be done, which is fine as part of paying dues, but it felt like I was just being used indefinitely and there were no opportunities to progress. My instincts were proven correct when I got the call to the HR floor on Friday.
Now I am free from that job but facing the worrying prospect of having no income while paying high rent in Manhattan. I have enough savings to live for about two years assuming I spend sparingly (rarely eating out, buying inexpensive groceries, no purchases of non-essential items). I'd love to take a break for a while, do some reading, introspection, etc. but I feel like it will get more difficult to find a job the longer I'm out of one.
The most obvious course of action is to apply for other jobs in finance, but part of me doesn't want to continue down that route. Not having to go to that job anymore lifted a huge burden off of my shoulders. Oddly enough, being unemployed has restored my self-esteem. My low status at work was making me depressed and affecting my health. Unfortunately I got axed before gaining enough experience to qualify for a more senior role elsewhere, and I'm not willing to be a junior all over again - plus it's very rare for firms to hire people externally for that sort of role even if I wanted one.
I want to explore career paths outside of finance. Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferrable to other fields), I'm very skilled at building Excel spreadsheets and automating manual tasks through Excel, VBA, and scripting languages. I can program in a few languages (e.g. C++) but not at the level of a professional developer - more like somebody who went through a few textbooks at home and dabbled in a few personal projects. In general, I'm a technically-minded, analytical person who likes to solve problems. I tend to jury rig Excel/script-based solutions to things until IT can develop a more permanent solution. I've often been put into the role of impromptu project manager in the past for various new technology projects. I speak several "unusual" languages (i.e. not French or Spanish) and I love traveling. I like reading about language and history.
Ideally, I just want a "normal" work environment. I would work around 40-50 hours a week without any shame for not putting in more hours. There would be mutual respect between junior and senior people, e.g. it would be considered inappropriate for a senior person to throw a credit card onto a junior person's desk and order them to procure double cheeseburgers from Shake Shack. Senior people would give constructive criticism rather than snapping at juniors and scolding them like children. I don't mind working long hours when there is actual work to be done, but I'm against reporting in at some arbitrarily early hour, sitting around idly waiting for the seniors to leave, or putting in "face time." I've toyed with idea of being a freelance translator or opening my own restaurant, but I don't have any experience in either. Obviously the higher the pay the better, but for now I'm just looking to make a decent middle-class living (which can be quite tough in this city).
I'm looking for suggestions for new career paths that someone with my background in NYC could realistically pursue. Ironically, it was advice from Ask MeFi many years ago that led me to this career path to begin with, so here I am again. Thanks in advance.
I got laid off on Friday as part of a restructuring. They told me it was not performance-related. I was a junior trader at a NYC investment bank. I have over 3 years work experience, all in finance, and my undergrad and master's are in technical subjects.
I wasn't very happy in that job, and I used to secretly fantasize about getting fired so I could do something else with my life. I liked the relatively high pay, and I found some parts of the job exciting, like working a live, high risk order, but I loathed other parts of it, especially the rigid dedovshchina-like hierarchy of juniors and seniors, and the long hours (55-60 hours a week). I was stuck with doing all the shitty tasks nobody else wanted to do but had to be done, which is fine as part of paying dues, but it felt like I was just being used indefinitely and there were no opportunities to progress. My instincts were proven correct when I got the call to the HR floor on Friday.
Now I am free from that job but facing the worrying prospect of having no income while paying high rent in Manhattan. I have enough savings to live for about two years assuming I spend sparingly (rarely eating out, buying inexpensive groceries, no purchases of non-essential items). I'd love to take a break for a while, do some reading, introspection, etc. but I feel like it will get more difficult to find a job the longer I'm out of one.
The most obvious course of action is to apply for other jobs in finance, but part of me doesn't want to continue down that route. Not having to go to that job anymore lifted a huge burden off of my shoulders. Oddly enough, being unemployed has restored my self-esteem. My low status at work was making me depressed and affecting my health. Unfortunately I got axed before gaining enough experience to qualify for a more senior role elsewhere, and I'm not willing to be a junior all over again - plus it's very rare for firms to hire people externally for that sort of role even if I wanted one.
I want to explore career paths outside of finance. Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferrable to other fields), I'm very skilled at building Excel spreadsheets and automating manual tasks through Excel, VBA, and scripting languages. I can program in a few languages (e.g. C++) but not at the level of a professional developer - more like somebody who went through a few textbooks at home and dabbled in a few personal projects. In general, I'm a technically-minded, analytical person who likes to solve problems. I tend to jury rig Excel/script-based solutions to things until IT can develop a more permanent solution. I've often been put into the role of impromptu project manager in the past for various new technology projects. I speak several "unusual" languages (i.e. not French or Spanish) and I love traveling. I like reading about language and history.
Ideally, I just want a "normal" work environment. I would work around 40-50 hours a week without any shame for not putting in more hours. There would be mutual respect between junior and senior people, e.g. it would be considered inappropriate for a senior person to throw a credit card onto a junior person's desk and order them to procure double cheeseburgers from Shake Shack. Senior people would give constructive criticism rather than snapping at juniors and scolding them like children. I don't mind working long hours when there is actual work to be done, but I'm against reporting in at some arbitrarily early hour, sitting around idly waiting for the seniors to leave, or putting in "face time." I've toyed with idea of being a freelance translator or opening my own restaurant, but I don't have any experience in either. Obviously the higher the pay the better, but for now I'm just looking to make a decent middle-class living (which can be quite tough in this city).
I'm looking for suggestions for new career paths that someone with my background in NYC could realistically pursue. Ironically, it was advice from Ask MeFi many years ago that led me to this career path to begin with, so here I am again. Thanks in advance.
Sorry, meant to add to the above: I am an ex-Wall Streeter turned entrepreneur. Feel free to reach out to me if you have questions. My email is in my profile.
posted by dfriedman at 11:15 AM on November 18, 2012
posted by dfriedman at 11:15 AM on November 18, 2012
I just popped in to say that you weren't fired, you were layed-off due to restructuring.
Fired (at least in my professional circles) means you were (forcibly) removed from your position, but the position remained.
To put it another way, firing is personal, layed-off is just business.
They both suck though.
posted by forforf at 11:20 AM on November 18, 2012 [13 favorites]
Fired (at least in my professional circles) means you were (forcibly) removed from your position, but the position remained.
To put it another way, firing is personal, layed-off is just business.
They both suck though.
posted by forforf at 11:20 AM on November 18, 2012 [13 favorites]
Besides my finance knowledge (which is largely non-transferable to other fields),
Rethink that. I work in healthcare (previously in the energy sector and in logistics). All of those fields have finance divisions, corporate Treasury, etc. Your skills are most certainly transferable.
posted by 26.2 at 11:21 AM on November 18, 2012 [2 favorites]
Rethink that. I work in healthcare (previously in the energy sector and in logistics). All of those fields have finance divisions, corporate Treasury, etc. Your skills are most certainly transferable.
posted by 26.2 at 11:21 AM on November 18, 2012 [2 favorites]
Wanted to elaborate on being fired vs laid off. If you were fired, the cause was most likely a performance based one and will most likely replace you with someone whereas getting laid off indicates that they have eliminated your position and won't be replacing you. The most important difference to you would be that if you were laid off you can collect unemployment whereas you wouldn't be able to if you were fired. Going forward, you need to distinguish between the two when you talk about your career/work situations.
posted by violetk at 11:28 AM on November 18, 2012
posted by violetk at 11:28 AM on November 18, 2012
Followup from OP:
Just wanted to follow up. I know the difference between being fired and being laid off. I was laid off. Don't want it to derail the question. Thanks.posted by LobsterMitten at 11:59 AM on November 18, 2012
Why not think about becoming a Data Scientist? It's a combination of stats, code, and problem-solving that sounds like it might suit you well -- it's also a very in-demand job at the moment, both in and out of finance.
posted by ukdanae at 1:20 PM on November 18, 2012
posted by ukdanae at 1:20 PM on November 18, 2012
Definitely business analyst - and if you do this at a real company rather than a consulting firm, the hours and travel will usually be much better. If you'd consider the SF Bay Area, my team at PayPal is hiring. We also have a similar position in Boston. We're mostly consulting or finance "escapees" and pretty serious about having a normal life while doing cool work with smart, nice people. For someone coming from Finance with strong Excel skills and some programming experience, could be a great fit.
posted by CruiseSavvy at 1:32 PM on November 18, 2012
posted by CruiseSavvy at 1:32 PM on November 18, 2012
Sounds like you might be a good fit for a consulting/audit-support/"value-add" role at an accounting firm.
posted by moammargaret at 1:37 PM on November 18, 2012
posted by moammargaret at 1:37 PM on November 18, 2012
I think you kind of need to start by considering industries that appeal to you. People that make products or produce services that you feel are valuable. It sounds like you have a quality skill set that could translate well to many industries.
posted by A Terrible Llama at 5:40 PM on November 18, 2012
posted by A Terrible Llama at 5:40 PM on November 18, 2012
Perhaps not helpful, but are you sure you didn't just hate that particular workplace and that particular position with that company? I only say that, because my happiness in my jobs was usually defined by how well I liked my co-workers and how valued I felt rather than the actual work itself.
And, well, your earning potential in finance is very high. I don't know a lot about finance, but I have a friend who started at a NYC investment firm doing trading, and now he is a portfolio manager and makes like a million dollars a year. That said, he works very long hours, he is always on call and his bonuses are attached to him staying there for a certain amount of time, so he feels trapped. But the kind of money you make in finance you can't easily make in any other sector, so just keep that in mind. Money doesn't motivate everyone - if it did, everyone would probably go into finance, haha.
posted by AppleTurnover at 6:12 PM on November 18, 2012
And, well, your earning potential in finance is very high. I don't know a lot about finance, but I have a friend who started at a NYC investment firm doing trading, and now he is a portfolio manager and makes like a million dollars a year. That said, he works very long hours, he is always on call and his bonuses are attached to him staying there for a certain amount of time, so he feels trapped. But the kind of money you make in finance you can't easily make in any other sector, so just keep that in mind. Money doesn't motivate everyone - if it did, everyone would probably go into finance, haha.
posted by AppleTurnover at 6:12 PM on November 18, 2012
Ideally, I just want a "normal" work environment. I would work around 40-50 hours a week without any shame for not putting in more hours. There would be mutual respect between junior and senior people, e.g. it would be considered inappropriate for a senior person to throw a credit card onto a junior person's desk and order them to procure double cheeseburgers from Shake Shack. Senior people would give constructive criticism rather than snapping at juniors and scolding them like children.
Be an actuary
posted by cupcake1337 at 7:56 PM on November 18, 2012 [2 favorites]
Be an actuary
posted by cupcake1337 at 7:56 PM on November 18, 2012 [2 favorites]
Business school would be a logical next step. Your work experience probably qualifies you for a top tier school. Just don't pick a finance-focused program (Wharton, Chicago).
posted by mullacc at 8:20 PM on November 18, 2012
posted by mullacc at 8:20 PM on November 18, 2012
I too was laid off, now I'm a Data Analyst with a software company and I sit in my cube and shift between doing Excel Spreadsheets and surfing Metafilter.
I'm making about 1/2 of what I used to make as a Data Engineer, but I'm perfectly okay with it.
Low stress, decently interesting work, and a 10 minute commute. Also, casual environment, so jeans if I want to.
File for unemployment.
Start looking for jobs on LinkedIn/Simply Hired
Enjoy the break between jobs.
I do recommend setting up a daily schedule.
7-8 Gym
8-830 Breakfast
830-9 Shower
9-12 Review all jobs on line and submit resumes.
12-1 Lunch, with friends, or at home.
1- 4, learn new skills (Salesforce.com is an excellent, marketable skill)
4-7 Network, meet friends for drinks, pet the cat.
Good luck!
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 7:39 AM on November 19, 2012 [3 favorites]
I'm making about 1/2 of what I used to make as a Data Engineer, but I'm perfectly okay with it.
Low stress, decently interesting work, and a 10 minute commute. Also, casual environment, so jeans if I want to.
File for unemployment.
Start looking for jobs on LinkedIn/Simply Hired
Enjoy the break between jobs.
I do recommend setting up a daily schedule.
7-8 Gym
8-830 Breakfast
830-9 Shower
9-12 Review all jobs on line and submit resumes.
12-1 Lunch, with friends, or at home.
1- 4, learn new skills (Salesforce.com is an excellent, marketable skill)
4-7 Network, meet friends for drinks, pet the cat.
Good luck!
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 7:39 AM on November 19, 2012 [3 favorites]
My brother is a financial planner with AXA (not an endorsement, just is). Anyway, he had a strong business/sales background but had to get a lot of training in the finance side. You already have the finance stuff (although you would need to get the part about selling securities to consumers). The thing that seems to appeal to him is that he truly is his own boss. If he fails to meet certain very basic minimums, it raise eyebrows, or if he pisses someone off, they might go over his head to corporate, but really, he manages his own business and takes care of his customers. It's all up to him (with help from an admin that he shares with another AXA advisor).
posted by Doohickie at 7:43 AM on November 19, 2012
posted by Doohickie at 7:43 AM on November 19, 2012
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If you know people in the startup community here in NYC, reach out to them. Lots of opportunities there.
posted by dfriedman at 11:06 AM on November 18, 2012 [1 favorite]