Tips on moving to Germany
May 24, 2012 7:12 AM
I will be moving from Canada to Germany later this year, and would like to gain from your collective experience. Do you have any tips on making a long-distance, semi-permanent move, or things that you wished you'd known ahead of time?
I'll be moving there as the spouse of a German citizen. My German is comically bad, and I'll be taking the Integrationskurs (integration/language class) as a part of the process.
While I have a plan outlined, and already know people there other than my wife, I'm happy to hear even trivial suggestions.
I'll be moving there as the spouse of a German citizen. My German is comically bad, and I'll be taking the Integrationskurs (integration/language class) as a part of the process.
While I have a plan outlined, and already know people there other than my wife, I'm happy to hear even trivial suggestions.
Toytown Germany has a massive expat forum which would be worth checking out. From the sounds of it you are already in a good position though.
Have fun (and have a pretzel for me!!) Germany is great!
posted by EatMyHat at 7:45 AM on May 24, 2012
Have fun (and have a pretzel for me!!) Germany is great!
posted by EatMyHat at 7:45 AM on May 24, 2012
Take some things you wouldn't normally think to pack for a move like this - old mementoes from your childhood bedroom or a knicknack or painting or photo that is in your current home but you are thinking "minimal minimal just two suitcases" (unless you have the entire household moved through some professional firm). It helps in the wholly new and strange place you will be in for a while - also read up on culture shock, regardless of how well adjusted you may feel. Just knowing the cycles and stages to expect will be a great help when 3 to 6 months down the line, when the excitement passes and you're wondering why you feel bloated and cranky and whatnot.
posted by infini at 8:25 AM on May 24, 2012
posted by infini at 8:25 AM on May 24, 2012
It would be helpful to know where in Germany you are moving?
Try to find some ex-pat community that you can do things with, get advice from, connect to in the first couple months.
This book, living and working in germany, is very thorough.
This online dictionary is excellent: leo and alles.de is a good "craig's list" equivalent
Food: We can find almost all foods, flavors and spices here - except fake cheese products (no doritos, no mac and cheese, no cheese goldfish). Aldi Supermarkt has different themes every week and there is typically a North American themed week were we buy our Kanadischer Ahornsirup - if you like maple syrup - and other things for the year (we buy our Heines Backen Bohnen/ Baked Beans for 6 months on the Brit week). You end up with crazy lists - the Netto carries marshmellows, the Rewe carries cheddar cheese, the Turkish fruit and veggie market sells "exotic" spices (whole nutmegs, whole red chillis), etc. You can also buy ex-pat specialty foods in the basement level of most Karstadts - but it is expensive. You can, if absolutely desperate, buy food on Sundays and public holidays (as you know there are a lot of these) but only in the train station.
I recommend setting up a credit card (with no money exchange fee or percent of purchase charged - we use a capital one no hassle card) that deducts out of a Canadian account for your overseas purchases.
posted by mutt.cyberspace at 8:37 AM on May 24, 2012
Try to find some ex-pat community that you can do things with, get advice from, connect to in the first couple months.
This book, living and working in germany, is very thorough.
This online dictionary is excellent: leo and alles.de is a good "craig's list" equivalent
Food: We can find almost all foods, flavors and spices here - except fake cheese products (no doritos, no mac and cheese, no cheese goldfish). Aldi Supermarkt has different themes every week and there is typically a North American themed week were we buy our Kanadischer Ahornsirup - if you like maple syrup - and other things for the year (we buy our Heines Backen Bohnen/ Baked Beans for 6 months on the Brit week). You end up with crazy lists - the Netto carries marshmellows, the Rewe carries cheddar cheese, the Turkish fruit and veggie market sells "exotic" spices (whole nutmegs, whole red chillis), etc. You can also buy ex-pat specialty foods in the basement level of most Karstadts - but it is expensive. You can, if absolutely desperate, buy food on Sundays and public holidays (as you know there are a lot of these) but only in the train station.
I recommend setting up a credit card (with no money exchange fee or percent of purchase charged - we use a capital one no hassle card) that deducts out of a Canadian account for your overseas purchases.
posted by mutt.cyberspace at 8:37 AM on May 24, 2012
It would be helpful to know where in Germany you are moving?
Weimar, with the possibility of later moving to Osnabrück.
posted by frimble at 8:45 AM on May 24, 2012
Weimar, with the possibility of later moving to Osnabrück.
posted by frimble at 8:45 AM on May 24, 2012
I don't know what your age is, but a good way to immerse and integrate is to mingle with the local university students. If you're just a bit older than them, I think they wouldn't mind, many even prefer having North American/Anglophone friends so that they could practice their English. In exchange you could also learn German, and even their culture.
In practicing the language, it's a good habit to watch ZDF's Nachrichten in Hundert Sekunden and their weather forecast. These habits would take less than 5 minutes a day, contain important information for the day, and a good way to pick up new words and the nuances of the German language.
Nature is very important to the Germans. If you're a nature person, go ahead and join some trekking/climbing/cycling/camping clubs. Good way to meet like-minded individuals, and a good way to explore the country this coming summer!
posted by vastopenspaces at 9:30 AM on May 24, 2012
In practicing the language, it's a good habit to watch ZDF's Nachrichten in Hundert Sekunden and their weather forecast. These habits would take less than 5 minutes a day, contain important information for the day, and a good way to pick up new words and the nuances of the German language.
Nature is very important to the Germans. If you're a nature person, go ahead and join some trekking/climbing/cycling/camping clubs. Good way to meet like-minded individuals, and a good way to explore the country this coming summer!
posted by vastopenspaces at 9:30 AM on May 24, 2012
If you go to Weimar, try to stay. If you absolutely must move, don't do Osnabrück -- stay in Thüringen! Go to Jena or Erfurt ;)
Make the effort to become proficient at German. Things are different than they used to be, and many people's English has become good enough that it's very easy to become lazy. Two reasons to do this:
- People appreciate it when strangers make the effort to speak in their language.
- It will help you understand your wife better.
- It really is a beautiful language, despite what many other Europeans say.
Okay, so that was three reasons, but deserved ones!
Here's a good habit to get into for improving your language and cultural sense: watch "Tatort" on Sunday nights. Everybody else will be, too. You can watch it together with your wife and ask her questions when you don't get something.
posted by rhombus at 5:39 PM on May 24, 2012
Make the effort to become proficient at German. Things are different than they used to be, and many people's English has become good enough that it's very easy to become lazy. Two reasons to do this:
- People appreciate it when strangers make the effort to speak in their language.
- It will help you understand your wife better.
- It really is a beautiful language, despite what many other Europeans say.
Okay, so that was three reasons, but deserved ones!
Here's a good habit to get into for improving your language and cultural sense: watch "Tatort" on Sunday nights. Everybody else will be, too. You can watch it together with your wife and ask her questions when you don't get something.
posted by rhombus at 5:39 PM on May 24, 2012
Clean up your German as much as you can. This was one of the hardest things for me to manage as I get a lot of my sense of being somewhere from the little interactions with the people around me. My limited German has meant I've missed out on one of my favorite ways of relating to people. Also, it just makes everything else easier the less you have to fight against language.
You'll still need an "Aufenthaltsgenehmigung," though you're married to a German. There's actually about two weeks of bureaucratic filing to do when you first arrive. It's not that bad unless you decide it is. Be patient, have your stuff organized, be pleasant and it's no big deal.
The other problem I've had and other German/Not-German couples I know have had is that suddenly the German half of the couple has a whole lot more to take care of just by virtue of being the 'native'/native speaker. The whole dynamics of your relationship can get torqued hard and that surprised me, how extreme that was.
Watch 'Tatort,' absolutely, even though you'll probably think, "Wow, that sucked." It does provide a point of connection with other people, and that's good.
One other thing we noticed was that to get quality food - produce and baked goods and meat and etc, we go to the local daily markets. The Supermarkets stink. The produce is often mediocre. This was surprising and a bit of a bummer but with a bit of careful research we were able to find good, often local produce.
Everything is closed on Sunday. Like, everything and Saturday people run around like crazy doing their shopping because everything is closed on Sunday. Everything.
posted by From Bklyn at 3:23 AM on May 25, 2012
You'll still need an "Aufenthaltsgenehmigung," though you're married to a German. There's actually about two weeks of bureaucratic filing to do when you first arrive. It's not that bad unless you decide it is. Be patient, have your stuff organized, be pleasant and it's no big deal.
The other problem I've had and other German/Not-German couples I know have had is that suddenly the German half of the couple has a whole lot more to take care of just by virtue of being the 'native'/native speaker. The whole dynamics of your relationship can get torqued hard and that surprised me, how extreme that was.
Watch 'Tatort,' absolutely, even though you'll probably think, "Wow, that sucked." It does provide a point of connection with other people, and that's good.
One other thing we noticed was that to get quality food - produce and baked goods and meat and etc, we go to the local daily markets. The Supermarkets stink. The produce is often mediocre. This was surprising and a bit of a bummer but with a bit of careful research we were able to find good, often local produce.
Everything is closed on Sunday. Like, everything and Saturday people run around like crazy doing their shopping because everything is closed on Sunday. Everything.
posted by From Bklyn at 3:23 AM on May 25, 2012
Thank you all for your responses. You've given us things to think about even when the specifics of the answer don't apply directly.
Working on my German is definitely a high priority, and while I can't claim to be gifted at language, only speaking two fluently and having honest difficulty hearing umlauts (lustig vs. lüstig), I'm generally self-aware, but not self-conscious, about screwing up when speaking, and appreciate being told that I'm saying things wrong or misusing a word, phrase or idiom.
So, that will take a while, but happens to be something around which I have coping strategies, which mostly boil down to being friendly to people and not taking myself too seriously.
The stress associated with responsibility and cultural/language barriers is something that we're aware of, though that's not the same as being immersed in the day-to-day aspects. Thank you for mentioning it as it's a reminder to keep it in mind going forward.
Also, while Weimar is currently most likely, is there a specific reason to avoid Osnabrück? Or, put another way, a specific awesomeness that you associate with Thüringen?
posted by frimble at 10:10 AM on May 25, 2012
Working on my German is definitely a high priority, and while I can't claim to be gifted at language, only speaking two fluently and having honest difficulty hearing umlauts (lustig vs. lüstig), I'm generally self-aware, but not self-conscious, about screwing up when speaking, and appreciate being told that I'm saying things wrong or misusing a word, phrase or idiom.
So, that will take a while, but happens to be something around which I have coping strategies, which mostly boil down to being friendly to people and not taking myself too seriously.
The stress associated with responsibility and cultural/language barriers is something that we're aware of, though that's not the same as being immersed in the day-to-day aspects. Thank you for mentioning it as it's a reminder to keep it in mind going forward.
Also, while Weimar is currently most likely, is there a specific reason to avoid Osnabrück? Or, put another way, a specific awesomeness that you associate with Thüringen?
posted by frimble at 10:10 AM on May 25, 2012
Thüringen is in the former East. Billions have been pumped into infrastructure and building restoration. The culture sector is booming, the places are beautiful, and -- in general -- the rents are affordable. Lots of young people, students, etc. If you're from Canada, you'll find adjusting to it easier, because it's not as crowded.
Osnabrück is also pretty, but it's... Osnabrück. I've always found that part of Germany a bit milquetoast.
(Before you ask what the catch about the east is, it's the higher unemployment rate and the lower pay.)
This, of course, is a personal taste thing. But I've been around and I think if you see Weimar, you will know what I am talking about :)
Best of luck!
posted by rhombus at 7:13 AM on June 13, 2012
Osnabrück is also pretty, but it's... Osnabrück. I've always found that part of Germany a bit milquetoast.
(Before you ask what the catch about the east is, it's the higher unemployment rate and the lower pay.)
This, of course, is a personal taste thing. But I've been around and I think if you see Weimar, you will know what I am talking about :)
Best of luck!
posted by rhombus at 7:13 AM on June 13, 2012
Just to provide a conclusion here, we're staying in Weimar. I got a job there, and we're in the last stages of renting a lovely flat. I leave next month. Thank you all for your help.
posted by frimble at 9:35 AM on June 14, 2012
posted by frimble at 9:35 AM on June 14, 2012
Also, as a followup thanks, have a silly picture I made when last in Weimar.
posted by frimble at 10:43 AM on June 14, 2012
posted by frimble at 10:43 AM on June 14, 2012
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