Looking for Unpretentious, Professional, Gregarious Truthteller Celebrities
June 1, 2004 12:33 AM Subscribe
I'm compiling a list of good, decent, honest men and women who aren't saintly, moralistic or freakish and do their jobs in a professional, hard-hitting and yet fundamentally human and gregarious way. The best example of the kind of person I'm looking for is Tim Russert. [More inside.]
It's difficult to define, though it feels natural. The good person isn't preachy and doesn't set him/herself up as an example. They are tolerant of others' weaknesses and quirks but still criticize them mercilessly.
They get into trouble; don't court admiration; go about their jobs in a workmanlike way and generally let themselves be judged on their performance and accept that many suspect them of being perhaps "too good to be true", just as they often feel they understand and accept those they most criticize.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Apologies for the "fuzziness" of the question...
It's difficult to define, though it feels natural. The good person isn't preachy and doesn't set him/herself up as an example. They are tolerant of others' weaknesses and quirks but still criticize them mercilessly.
They get into trouble; don't court admiration; go about their jobs in a workmanlike way and generally let themselves be judged on their performance and accept that many suspect them of being perhaps "too good to be true", just as they often feel they understand and accept those they most criticize.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Apologies for the "fuzziness" of the question...
Bob Edwards.
posted by interrobang at 12:47 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by interrobang at 12:47 AM on June 1, 2004
Linus Torvalds.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 1:39 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 1:39 AM on June 1, 2004
From the film industry I'd nominate Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, Jodi Foster.
posted by jazzkat11 at 5:05 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by jazzkat11 at 5:05 AM on June 1, 2004
here's more on Russert--he is a complete tool.
McCain, Jimmy Carter, Walter Cronkite (who's going to be working for MTV)
posted by amberglow at 5:35 AM on June 1, 2004
McCain, Jimmy Carter, Walter Cronkite (who's going to be working for MTV)
posted by amberglow at 5:35 AM on June 1, 2004
feynmann was one.
posted by andrew cooke at 5:47 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by andrew cooke at 5:47 AM on June 1, 2004
This'll be the first time I've ever bee naccused of brown nosing, but...when it's right, it's right.
Matt Haughey.
Also, Tim Berners-Lee.
John Peel.
Charles Kennedy.
Alan Shearer.
Tom Robinson.
posted by dash_slot- at 5:50 AM on June 1, 2004
Matt Haughey.
Also, Tim Berners-Lee.
John Peel.
Charles Kennedy.
Alan Shearer.
Tom Robinson.
posted by dash_slot- at 5:50 AM on June 1, 2004
Ian McKellen
posted by Pretty_Generic at 7:04 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by Pretty_Generic at 7:04 AM on June 1, 2004
Serene Mckellen? How could I have missed him? - having once had dinner with him, he's my only 'claim to fame'
posted by dash_slot- at 7:13 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by dash_slot- at 7:13 AM on June 1, 2004
Also, from the world of football, Sven Goran-Erikson, Gary Lineker & David Seaman.
posted by dash_slot- at 7:20 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by dash_slot- at 7:20 AM on June 1, 2004
Miguel: You going to recruit these people to abandon their jobs and live with you inside an extinct volcano?
posted by bingo at 7:24 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by bingo at 7:24 AM on June 1, 2004
Migs, given your criteria, I could make a solid case for Shrub and I can't stand the idiot.
Is Sherry Lewis still alive?
posted by mischief at 7:50 AM on June 1, 2004
Is Sherry Lewis still alive?
posted by mischief at 7:50 AM on June 1, 2004
We're listing absurdly few women here. Maybe Aung San Suu Kyi?
posted by Pretty_Generic at 7:50 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by Pretty_Generic at 7:50 AM on June 1, 2004
I second Mr. Rogers.
All the others are deeply flawed.
posted by Fupped Duck at 7:59 AM on June 1, 2004
All the others are deeply flawed.
posted by Fupped Duck at 7:59 AM on June 1, 2004
From Baseball, Cal Ripken Jr. Now he was a workman.
posted by ALongDecember at 8:22 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by ALongDecember at 8:22 AM on June 1, 2004
Sherry Lewis isn't, sadly.
Women: Marian Wright Edelman, Bella Abzug, Betty Furness, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Jocelyn Elders, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Rosa Parks, Bette Midler, Charlayne Hunter-Gault, Rachel Carson, Jane Jacobs, Mary Kay, Margaret Atwood, Diahann Carroll, Christiane Amanpour, Dorothy Day, Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton...
and Mark Green, Eliot Spitzer.
posted by amberglow at 9:07 AM on June 1, 2004
Women: Marian Wright Edelman, Bella Abzug, Betty Furness, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Jocelyn Elders, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Rosa Parks, Bette Midler, Charlayne Hunter-Gault, Rachel Carson, Jane Jacobs, Mary Kay, Margaret Atwood, Diahann Carroll, Christiane Amanpour, Dorothy Day, Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton...
and Mark Green, Eliot Spitzer.
posted by amberglow at 9:07 AM on June 1, 2004
This reminds me of the Jewish tradition of the lamed-vov:
amberglow: Hillary?? Not saying she hasn't done good things, but reread Miguel's criteria...
posted by languagehat at 10:20 AM on June 1, 2004
"According to an aggadah in the Babylonian Talmud, in each generation there are exactly 36 righteous men -- Lamed Vav Zaddikim -- who received the Divine Presence and whose righteousness sustains the world. In the folklore of the Kabbalah and later that of Hasidism, the idea of these lamedvavniks, as they were commonly called, assumed great significance. They were believed to be anonymous saints who remained unnoticed by other men because of their humble nature and vocations. However, in times of great peril it was believed that the lamedvavnik dramatically appeared and used his hidden powers to defeat the enemies of Israel. Then, as mysteriously as he came, he returned to his usual obscurity."I've always loved that tradition.
amberglow: Hillary?? Not saying she hasn't done good things, but reread Miguel's criteria...
posted by languagehat at 10:20 AM on June 1, 2004
Brian Eno?
posted by Blue Stone at 10:57 AM on June 1, 2004
posted by Blue Stone at 10:57 AM on June 1, 2004
Suzanne Farrell
Donna Haraway
Gwen Ifill
John Stockton
posted by invisible ink at 1:15 PM on June 1, 2004
Donna Haraway
Gwen Ifill
John Stockton
posted by invisible ink at 1:15 PM on June 1, 2004
I've always liked Ann Richards, even though she's probably a little more outspoken than what you're looking for.
posted by stefanie at 1:18 PM on June 1, 2004
posted by stefanie at 1:18 PM on June 1, 2004
I'm gonna agree with some earlier commenters--Russert's a total tool, Migs;P I can't even think about him without seeing a mental picture of MWO's animated GIF of him.
I think Bill Hicks fits your criteria, especially if you look at how he spurned opportunities to cash in and by the end of his life, was using the stage as a way to get people to realize that they're all in this together. I'll throw out one more shallow entertainment name, Joss Whedon. Hard-hitting, works harder than he has to, gregarious, humanistic. Just not an important job...
Buckminster Fuller. Steve Wozniak. Mark Twain. Benjamin Franklin. Elie Wiesel. Paul Allen. Umberto Eco. Eliot Spitzer. Colin Powell before the UN (before as in prior, not in front of). Will Rogers. Teddy Roosevelt. George Orwell. Thurgood Marshall. Lech Walesa. Vaclav Havel. Nelson Mandela. MLK. Gandhi. Thoreau. This list is getting very mundane and lazy, so I shall stop. Wait, if I'm going to criticize Russert I have to name at least one journalist...Seymour Hersh? Robert Young Pelton? That dude who keeps on going to Iraq to post to his blog? I have to say, if I was making a list of good, decent, honest men, a journalist would not be the first name...
posted by jbrjake at 2:12 PM on June 1, 2004
I think Bill Hicks fits your criteria, especially if you look at how he spurned opportunities to cash in and by the end of his life, was using the stage as a way to get people to realize that they're all in this together. I'll throw out one more shallow entertainment name, Joss Whedon. Hard-hitting, works harder than he has to, gregarious, humanistic. Just not an important job...
Buckminster Fuller. Steve Wozniak. Mark Twain. Benjamin Franklin. Elie Wiesel. Paul Allen. Umberto Eco. Eliot Spitzer. Colin Powell before the UN (before as in prior, not in front of). Will Rogers. Teddy Roosevelt. George Orwell. Thurgood Marshall. Lech Walesa. Vaclav Havel. Nelson Mandela. MLK. Gandhi. Thoreau. This list is getting very mundane and lazy, so I shall stop. Wait, if I'm going to criticize Russert I have to name at least one journalist...Seymour Hersh? Robert Young Pelton? That dude who keeps on going to Iraq to post to his blog? I have to say, if I was making a list of good, decent, honest men, a journalist would not be the first name...
posted by jbrjake at 2:12 PM on June 1, 2004
molly ivans
john mccain
eliot spitzer
john paul stevens
norman finkelstein
dave sedaris
james earl jones
sean penn
posted by taumeson at 2:20 PM on June 1, 2004
john mccain
eliot spitzer
john paul stevens
norman finkelstein
dave sedaris
james earl jones
sean penn
posted by taumeson at 2:20 PM on June 1, 2004
Migs, you're basically asking us to list heroes (small h) not saints, yes?
Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Meredith Viera, Jane Pauley, Terry Gross, Ellen Goodman, Susan Sarandon, Karen Templer (proprietor of Readerville.com).
Lots of names above that I'd second.
posted by theora55 at 2:20 PM on June 1, 2004
Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, Meredith Viera, Jane Pauley, Terry Gross, Ellen Goodman, Susan Sarandon, Karen Templer (proprietor of Readerville.com).
Lots of names above that I'd second.
posted by theora55 at 2:20 PM on June 1, 2004
Alan Watts.
posted by 4easypayments at 6:35 PM on June 1, 2004
posted by 4easypayments at 6:35 PM on June 1, 2004
Helen Thomas.
Hey, don't you guys know that John McCain has a negroe baby?
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:42 PM on June 1, 2004
Hey, don't you guys know that John McCain has a negroe baby?
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 8:42 PM on June 1, 2004
Response by poster: Wow - as I work through all these names, I'm just sure I'm going to become unbearably optimistic. Thanks a lot for a great list! :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:27 AM on June 2, 2004
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:27 AM on June 2, 2004
Here's another then. I am terribly fond of Terry Pratchett, because he wears his success with believeable modesty; has made me and many other people very happy; and quietly, subtly, and consistently articulates a humane and redemptive view of small people. I miss Douglas Adams for much the same reasons as well.
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 2:13 AM on June 2, 2004
posted by i_am_joe's_spleen at 2:13 AM on June 2, 2004
This thread is closed to new comments.
But I'll bite anyway: How about U.S. Sen John McCain.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 12:43 AM on June 1, 2004