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July 14, 2023 7:52 AM Subscribe
What is the best adult jigsaw puzzle brand for a smart, 20-something, sophisticated kind of guy?
This is for a gift. I don't know what the "good" brands are as I don't do puzzles, and want to be sure I'm browsing a brand that a 20-something puzzle fan will think is awesome. I can't tell by looking online what might likely feel kind of lame or too old or too young.
This is for a gift. I don't know what the "good" brands are as I don't do puzzles, and want to be sure I'm browsing a brand that a 20-something puzzle fan will think is awesome. I can't tell by looking online what might likely feel kind of lame or too old or too young.
Oooh I am a jigsaw puzzle nut and I adore Piecework Puzzles. The designs are fun and attractive, the pieces are high-quality, and the branding is very Millennial chic.
posted by rabbitbookworm at 8:05 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by rabbitbookworm at 8:05 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
So there are two brands I regularly go back to -
Pomegranate - has a lot of puzzles based on art work, but SUCH variety. Their pieces are also good size and durable (no peeling, bending, etc.)
Magic Puzzle Company - I will say, I think they're kind of dorky, but I like them! And they add a layer of complexity, after you put the puzzle together, there's another mini-puzzle you end up doing. I think they're kind of fun and it's a different kind of puzzle (which can be nice if you get tired of doing standard puzzles). Again, pieces are good quality.
Third option, New York Puzzle Company - I've only done a couple of these, but, again, they were good, quality pieces and looking at their website they have a lot of variety.
posted by trinkatot at 8:06 AM on July 14, 2023 [3 favorites]
Pomegranate - has a lot of puzzles based on art work, but SUCH variety. Their pieces are also good size and durable (no peeling, bending, etc.)
Magic Puzzle Company - I will say, I think they're kind of dorky, but I like them! And they add a layer of complexity, after you put the puzzle together, there's another mini-puzzle you end up doing. I think they're kind of fun and it's a different kind of puzzle (which can be nice if you get tired of doing standard puzzles). Again, pieces are good quality.
Third option, New York Puzzle Company - I've only done a couple of these, but, again, they were good, quality pieces and looking at their website they have a lot of variety.
posted by trinkatot at 8:06 AM on July 14, 2023 [3 favorites]
It's not my thing, but I've gathered from friends and family for whom it is that the fancy brands include Liberty, Stave, and Stumpcraft. (Some of these have prices which it took me some time to believe were real to match.) But the individual aesthetic of your friend is just as important; I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a 20-something guy probably won't want to be staring at a Thomas Kinkade for forty hours. Fortunately, there is a broad range of images available.
posted by praemunire at 8:27 AM on July 14, 2023
posted by praemunire at 8:27 AM on July 14, 2023
Ravensburger puzzles are great - the pieces are clean-cut and feel good as you assemble the puzzle.
If your recipient is a serious jigsaw puzzler, another suggestion is Liberty Puzzles or Nautilus Puzzles. Both are laser cut wooden puzzles and are very difficult (Liberty moreso than Nautilus imo) with lots of specially shaped thematic pieces ("whimsies"); both are also pretty spendy. (On preview, agree with praemunire!)
posted by sencha at 8:31 AM on July 14, 2023 [4 favorites]
If your recipient is a serious jigsaw puzzler, another suggestion is Liberty Puzzles or Nautilus Puzzles. Both are laser cut wooden puzzles and are very difficult (Liberty moreso than Nautilus imo) with lots of specially shaped thematic pieces ("whimsies"); both are also pretty spendy. (On preview, agree with praemunire!)
posted by sencha at 8:31 AM on July 14, 2023 [4 favorites]
Strongly endorse the Magic Puzzle Co - Of their Series 1, the Happy Isles is the best; in Series 2 I've only done the Busy Bistro but it was great and would be my suggestion. Vibe is fun but very well done with lots of attention to the kind of detail that makes it fun and rewarding to do a puzzle. They're also fun to do with friends. The only possible downside is if someone were very very conservative in their aesthetic taste or hyper-sensitive about not being treated like a kid, the art is cute/cartoony.
Liberty puzzles are gorgeous wooden art, and much more-serious vibe. And probably more of a solo thing. You can get a sense from comparing them online.
posted by LobsterMitten at 8:38 AM on July 14, 2023
Liberty puzzles are gorgeous wooden art, and much more-serious vibe. And probably more of a solo thing. You can get a sense from comparing them online.
posted by LobsterMitten at 8:38 AM on July 14, 2023
My vote is for Galison. The quality is high and the image selection is great. Their Jonathan Adler or Gray Malin collection, for example, would go over well with the most sophisticated puzzle fan.
posted by guessthis at 8:42 AM on July 14, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by guessthis at 8:42 AM on July 14, 2023 [2 favorites]
Another vote for Pomegranate and/or Ravensburger. Extremely well-made and they license very interesting art, famous recognizable stuff on the Pomegranate ones, terrific photography of lovely sites on the Ravensburger.
We got most of ours from Half-Price Books or eBay. Those two brands are not only well-made, but the aficionados of them tend to take good care of their stuff, so buying them used always seems to work out great.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:47 AM on July 14, 2023
We got most of ours from Half-Price Books or eBay. Those two brands are not only well-made, but the aficionados of them tend to take good care of their stuff, so buying them used always seems to work out great.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:47 AM on July 14, 2023
Nervous System makes some beautiful wooden geode and agate puzzles for adults.
posted by veery at 8:50 AM on July 14, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by veery at 8:50 AM on July 14, 2023 [2 favorites]
Another vote for Ravensburger - they are known for their quality, and have a range of designs so you should be able to find something.
But I'll also direct you to Puzzle Warehouse, which as the name suggests, has a ton of puzzles from a range of brands. They often have sales, and I have found the reviews pretty reliable - they tend to be written by people who do a lot of puzzles, so if the reviews all praise the quality of the pieces, it's safe to assume it will be good.
posted by coffeecat at 8:51 AM on July 14, 2023
But I'll also direct you to Puzzle Warehouse, which as the name suggests, has a ton of puzzles from a range of brands. They often have sales, and I have found the reviews pretty reliable - they tend to be written by people who do a lot of puzzles, so if the reviews all praise the quality of the pieces, it's safe to assume it will be good.
posted by coffeecat at 8:51 AM on July 14, 2023
I'm a fan of Blue Kazoo. They now have sustainable packaging, do an Impossible series, some fun art mashups, round puzzles, etc. They are a small company, so popular designs will sell out, but then be reprinted.
posted by jenquat at 8:52 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by jenquat at 8:52 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
Ravensburger is a high quality standard. They’re the present I would give if I wanted the 20 something year-old to also enjoy it as a 30, 40, 50, and 60 something year-old.
Finding a puzzle picture that will stay interesting that long is another matter, but as far as quality is concerned it’s hard to go wrong with Ravensburger. They’ve been building these since the 1880s and it shows.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:53 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
Finding a puzzle picture that will stay interesting that long is another matter, but as far as quality is concerned it’s hard to go wrong with Ravensburger. They’ve been building these since the 1880s and it shows.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:53 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
Oh, and Kinstler! They work with contemporary artists to create puzzles - if he enjoys art, one of these might be a good match. Also good quality.
posted by coffeecat at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by coffeecat at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
My wife has enjoyed Unidragon and Artifact puzzles. Artifact has some really interesting designs, like this clockwork gryphon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_BvuipPMw&ab_channel=PuzzleBomb
They both tend to have a lot fun special pieces, like hidden mini shapes.
posted by justkevin at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_BvuipPMw&ab_channel=PuzzleBomb
They both tend to have a lot fun special pieces, like hidden mini shapes.
posted by justkevin at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023
I'm currently working on my second Odd Pieces puzzle. They are conceptually similar to the Magic Puzzles listed above. Highly recommend!
posted by wicked_sassy at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023
posted by wicked_sassy at 8:56 AM on July 14, 2023
Artifact wooden puzzles, like this one with non-unique connectors (very hard) and also whimsy puzzles, and puzzle searchable by artwork, difficulty, piece count, century.
Our local library just started doing a puzzle swap, maybe see if your giftees' does this and include a note? That way, if you're gifting them something fun but not a lifetime treasure, they can swap with others. We're glad we did.
posted by winesong at 8:57 AM on July 14, 2023
Our local library just started doing a puzzle swap, maybe see if your giftees' does this and include a note? That way, if you're gifting them something fun but not a lifetime treasure, they can swap with others. We're glad we did.
posted by winesong at 8:57 AM on July 14, 2023
Cloudberries do really lovely puzzles which are quite different from your usual in terms of images. They're great quality too.
Otherwise, I agree that Pomegranate and Ravensburger are consistently good quality; Ravensburger especially has a wide variety of images to choose from, ranging between kitsch, quirky, traditional landscapes and some quite lovely ones.
I'm also fond of Cobble Hill which are random cut. Magic Puzzle Co, mentioned above, has fun whimsical pieces too, i really like theirs even though the "surprise" ending is not so surprising after you've done your first one.
posted by Athanassiel at 9:10 AM on July 14, 2023 [4 favorites]
Otherwise, I agree that Pomegranate and Ravensburger are consistently good quality; Ravensburger especially has a wide variety of images to choose from, ranging between kitsch, quirky, traditional landscapes and some quite lovely ones.
I'm also fond of Cobble Hill which are random cut. Magic Puzzle Co, mentioned above, has fun whimsical pieces too, i really like theirs even though the "surprise" ending is not so surprising after you've done your first one.
posted by Athanassiel at 9:10 AM on July 14, 2023 [4 favorites]
eeboo has fun piece shapes, and lots of vivid not cheesy animal/environment themes. Their 500 piece round puzzles are my favorites.
Also I love how many strongly held opinions there are here on MeFi about puzzle companies. I have been primarily thrift store shopping for my puzzles and discovered Cobble Hill that way. I love the irregular piece shapes!
posted by spamandkimchi at 9:22 AM on July 14, 2023
Also I love how many strongly held opinions there are here on MeFi about puzzle companies. I have been primarily thrift store shopping for my puzzles and discovered Cobble Hill that way. I love the irregular piece shapes!
posted by spamandkimchi at 9:22 AM on July 14, 2023
Tim Klein's Puzzle Montage Art combines the pieces from two (or more) jigsaw puzzles that have been originally die-cut with the same pattern.
This adds an element of creativity to the already pleasantly rote nature of pattern finding offered by jigsaw puzzles.
The less expensive brands are more likely to use the same die-cut, so once you find a brand that is compatible, you can buy several different pictures at your local discount store to mix and match. I've also had some luck picking up used matching die-cuts at the local charity store.
posted by fairmettle at 9:36 AM on July 14, 2023
This adds an element of creativity to the already pleasantly rote nature of pattern finding offered by jigsaw puzzles.
The less expensive brands are more likely to use the same die-cut, so once you find a brand that is compatible, you can buy several different pictures at your local discount store to mix and match. I've also had some luck picking up used matching die-cuts at the local charity store.
posted by fairmettle at 9:36 AM on July 14, 2023
Uncommon Goods has a lot of unusual puzzles. Infinite Galaxy is small (good if table top space is an issue) with “no fixed shape, no starting point, no edges” and “infinite combinations”. If that’s too outré, consider the Geode puzzles.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 9:56 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by TWinbrook8 at 9:56 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
Artifact are far and away the favorite puzzlemakers of this household. Wood puzzles are really pleasing to put together, and we like theirs best of all we've tried. Lots of beautiful, genuinely non-cheesy art options, a wide range of difficulty, very satisfying options on the higher-difficulty end of the spectrum, including the possibility of small puzzles that still take a while to do. In the world of cardboard puzzles, we've enjoyed the Magic Puzzle Company's puzzles but I should say that I think the quality/QA has gone down since the initial release of their first series. More imperfect cuts, torn or hanging bits of backing on pieces, and so on.
More of a big-ticket item but really amazing for someone who is truly heavy into puzzles, if you're looking for that: the Hoefnagel Wooden Jigsaw Puzzle Club ("Like old-school Netflix, but for wooden jigsaw puzzles")
posted by redfoxtail at 10:34 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
More of a big-ticket item but really amazing for someone who is truly heavy into puzzles, if you're looking for that: the Hoefnagel Wooden Jigsaw Puzzle Club ("Like old-school Netflix, but for wooden jigsaw puzzles")
posted by redfoxtail at 10:34 AM on July 14, 2023 [1 favorite]
A number of my young family members are obsessed with puzzles, and Costco. And this is a perfect match for both- It was a highly fought over item in our gift game at Christmas amongst the young adult crowd
https://www.costco.com/dowdle-costco-puzzle-1%2C000-piece.product.100800870.html
Its not sophisticated, but thought I'd mention
posted by Ftsqg at 10:41 AM on July 14, 2023
https://www.costco.com/dowdle-costco-puzzle-1%2C000-piece.product.100800870.html
Its not sophisticated, but thought I'd mention
posted by Ftsqg at 10:41 AM on July 14, 2023
I used to enjoy Wasgij jigsaws, which are not as beautiful as some of the others people have suggested, but they are entertaining in a sort of picture postcard way.
posted by Martha My Dear Prudence at 11:15 AM on July 14, 2023
posted by Martha My Dear Prudence at 11:15 AM on July 14, 2023
Cloudberries!!! Here is what I enjoy about Cloudberries: Their Poster Puzzle range, where each puzzle comes with a poster of the completed image. So you can have the fun of doing the puzzle and also the enjoyment of the image for a long time after that without the silliness and mess of puzzle glue. They work with a couple artists I’ve been a fan of for years so it’s like a combo of buying a print from that artist and getting a puzzle.
posted by Mizu at 11:46 AM on July 14, 2023
posted by Mizu at 11:46 AM on July 14, 2023
Puzz - Especially if they have any connection to the rust belt, since they have a few city-specific puzzles.
posted by shesbookish at 12:26 PM on July 14, 2023
posted by shesbookish at 12:26 PM on July 14, 2023
My significant other makes jigsaw puzzles. This started when she wanted something to do but had small children and almost no free time. She bought a scroll saw. I drew up a simple grid on a cad system and she found a picture she liked.
The first puzzles she made were like that - pictures glued to plywood. Everyone does that. Everyone cuts lumpy shapes, freehand, and they cut a few out that are dogs and fairies and starfish. It's how you make a jigsaw.
She preferred regular grids, plane tessellations, and when I was tired of my regular work I made them. I'd estimate that we have a few hundred. The human race has been doing this for a long time, and a lot of the ones I've made I've later found in ceramic tiles and printed designs. Most of mine are original, but there are a few that show up over and over. You can be as modern and sophisticated as you want, but some guy with a chunk of clay and a stylus was often there a thousand years ago.
After a few years pictures and plywood didn't really work any more. Gluing other people's work down and cutting it up didn't feel very original. SO had bought me a chunk of lignum vitae for Christmas, and she'd fallen in love with exotic wood. I cut it up and told her she could use it.
She started taking pieces of wood which couldn't be used for anything else, stuff with wild grain, voids, splits and knotholes, and cutting those. I had to make special grids that avoided the flaws, and very often I had to epoxy broken bits back together in mid cut. (Some wood, like manitoba maple, basically can't be used.)
SO was happy with the results, and she did that from then on. She cut lexan, acrylic, UHMW, soapstone, aluminum, brass, and for one very painful and dusty moth she cut slate. She always returns to interesting pieces of wood.
She originally sanded her puzzles to 180 grit with a pad sander. Now she does them by hand, to 1200, and up to 8000 if the surface shows scratches. It's extremely painstaking.
She used to use furniture oil as a finish. Now it's almost entirely paste wax. You can get away with that if your finish is perfect, and it doesn't get sticky after a few years.
For those who don't know, exotic hardwoods are increasingly expensive and hard to get. She has stuff bought from old retiring furniture guys who can tell you the old guy they bought it from. A lot can't be shipped internationally anymore. The CITES treaty makes it harder to do the paperwork than to make the puzzle. SO has pieces of ebony that will probably never be made into anything because they're too hard to deal with, legally. I was in a wood shop last Christmas that had a chunk of lignum vitae for $800.
Some stuff you just can't get. There are lots of wonderful domestic species, and increasingly she uses those, but some of the exotics are amazing.
I added up the time to select, cut and prep the wood, to make a grid, adjust the size, glue it down, to cut it out, remove the pieces of grid, assemble it, finish sand it, and apply the final wax. Often you have to go back and do the last four or five grits of sandpaper again.
It was disheartening. SO was working for twenty-five cents an hour on a good day. She raised her prices, but, as with most hand-made stuff, her puzzles are expensive and at the same time don't pay the artist much at all. It's a labor of love.
She's been accused of using a 'big press,' and people have mentioned Asian factories and lasers. SO still does everything by hand. Websites say, 'hand cut,' but the edges of pieces are blackened from the heat of the laser. I've seen puzzles for thousands of dollars made from a picture on plywood and the back was varnished where the blade had torn chunks of the veneer off. Lots of stuff on Etsy is 'hand made by our cozy little family business' in a factory in China.
I think SO's puzzles are the most interesting and beautiful ones anyone's currently making, but I have an interest in them, being tech support and encouragement. Also her wood collection is slowly taking over my shop.
She still doesn't make that many pieces. I think they're worth taking a look at, even if you just admire the pictures.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/APuzzlingBusiness?ref=shop_sugg_market
posted by AugustusCrunch at 2:07 PM on July 14, 2023 [5 favorites]
The first puzzles she made were like that - pictures glued to plywood. Everyone does that. Everyone cuts lumpy shapes, freehand, and they cut a few out that are dogs and fairies and starfish. It's how you make a jigsaw.
She preferred regular grids, plane tessellations, and when I was tired of my regular work I made them. I'd estimate that we have a few hundred. The human race has been doing this for a long time, and a lot of the ones I've made I've later found in ceramic tiles and printed designs. Most of mine are original, but there are a few that show up over and over. You can be as modern and sophisticated as you want, but some guy with a chunk of clay and a stylus was often there a thousand years ago.
After a few years pictures and plywood didn't really work any more. Gluing other people's work down and cutting it up didn't feel very original. SO had bought me a chunk of lignum vitae for Christmas, and she'd fallen in love with exotic wood. I cut it up and told her she could use it.
She started taking pieces of wood which couldn't be used for anything else, stuff with wild grain, voids, splits and knotholes, and cutting those. I had to make special grids that avoided the flaws, and very often I had to epoxy broken bits back together in mid cut. (Some wood, like manitoba maple, basically can't be used.)
SO was happy with the results, and she did that from then on. She cut lexan, acrylic, UHMW, soapstone, aluminum, brass, and for one very painful and dusty moth she cut slate. She always returns to interesting pieces of wood.
She originally sanded her puzzles to 180 grit with a pad sander. Now she does them by hand, to 1200, and up to 8000 if the surface shows scratches. It's extremely painstaking.
She used to use furniture oil as a finish. Now it's almost entirely paste wax. You can get away with that if your finish is perfect, and it doesn't get sticky after a few years.
For those who don't know, exotic hardwoods are increasingly expensive and hard to get. She has stuff bought from old retiring furniture guys who can tell you the old guy they bought it from. A lot can't be shipped internationally anymore. The CITES treaty makes it harder to do the paperwork than to make the puzzle. SO has pieces of ebony that will probably never be made into anything because they're too hard to deal with, legally. I was in a wood shop last Christmas that had a chunk of lignum vitae for $800.
Some stuff you just can't get. There are lots of wonderful domestic species, and increasingly she uses those, but some of the exotics are amazing.
I added up the time to select, cut and prep the wood, to make a grid, adjust the size, glue it down, to cut it out, remove the pieces of grid, assemble it, finish sand it, and apply the final wax. Often you have to go back and do the last four or five grits of sandpaper again.
It was disheartening. SO was working for twenty-five cents an hour on a good day. She raised her prices, but, as with most hand-made stuff, her puzzles are expensive and at the same time don't pay the artist much at all. It's a labor of love.
She's been accused of using a 'big press,' and people have mentioned Asian factories and lasers. SO still does everything by hand. Websites say, 'hand cut,' but the edges of pieces are blackened from the heat of the laser. I've seen puzzles for thousands of dollars made from a picture on plywood and the back was varnished where the blade had torn chunks of the veneer off. Lots of stuff on Etsy is 'hand made by our cozy little family business' in a factory in China.
I think SO's puzzles are the most interesting and beautiful ones anyone's currently making, but I have an interest in them, being tech support and encouragement. Also her wood collection is slowly taking over my shop.
She still doesn't make that many pieces. I think they're worth taking a look at, even if you just admire the pictures.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/APuzzlingBusiness?ref=shop_sugg_market
posted by AugustusCrunch at 2:07 PM on July 14, 2023 [5 favorites]
The Play Group does a whole range of gradient color puzzles (we did a 3D one in lockdown times), single color puzzles, new color change puzzles, as well as some by contemporary artists (the round 1000 piece Marc Martin one kept us busy a long time). These are not traditional puzzles, the color change one has apparently been big on TikTok.
posted by AnnaRat at 2:32 PM on July 14, 2023
posted by AnnaRat at 2:32 PM on July 14, 2023
Anecdotally it seems like all of my friends got Unidragon puzzles shaped like cool animals last year. They're pretty, if a bit easy.
posted by matrixclown at 6:04 PM on July 14, 2023
posted by matrixclown at 6:04 PM on July 14, 2023
Once you start doing wooden puzzles like Liberty Puzzles, you never go back - you’re spoiled for paper puzzles forevermore. They make a truly beautiful gift for a puzzle enthusiast. They are just so so so lovely and satisfying.
posted by amaire at 7:37 AM on July 15, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by amaire at 7:37 AM on July 15, 2023 [1 favorite]
I like the artist Jan Van Haasteren, who makes really fun cartoony puzzles full of little puns and jokes (some of them a little raunchy). You can get his puzzles from various different places.
In my own puzzle-doing life, the quality of the puzzle pieces themselves doesn't matter too much. A really crappy one where the paper peels up isn't ideal, but the picture is really the main thing.
posted by bluesky78987 at 8:09 AM on July 15, 2023
In my own puzzle-doing life, the quality of the puzzle pieces themselves doesn't matter too much. A really crappy one where the paper peels up isn't ideal, but the picture is really the main thing.
posted by bluesky78987 at 8:09 AM on July 15, 2023
Following up because it seems like nobody's really talking about the number of pieces to get. That's important. Get 1000 or 1500 or 2000. 2000 might be a lot if he's more into ploughing through puzzles quickly. But I wouldn't get him anything under 1000 unless it's a fancy wood puzzle, as a 20-something might consider those to be for children or grandpas. Most adults do 1000 piece puzzles I would say.
posted by bluesky78987 at 8:21 AM on July 15, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by bluesky78987 at 8:21 AM on July 15, 2023 [2 favorites]
Not a brand rec, but a shopping rec - art museums usually have GREAT puzzles in their gift shops, and the big museums all have an online shop presence!
posted by ersatzkat at 6:49 AM on July 16, 2023
posted by ersatzkat at 6:49 AM on July 16, 2023
Came to +1 to Ravensburger - they have a great snap when you put the piece in! And also to make sure you're getting enough pieces as per bluesky. Think about puzzle space - 2000 you need quite a large table for!
You can also get photographs made into puzzles, which I really enjoy doing. I'd say at least 1500 pieces for an adult puzzle.
posted by london explorer girl at 6:19 AM on July 17, 2023 [1 favorite]
You can also get photographs made into puzzles, which I really enjoy doing. I'd say at least 1500 pieces for an adult puzzle.
posted by london explorer girl at 6:19 AM on July 17, 2023 [1 favorite]
I'm more particular about the art than the brand. I particularly look for Colin Thompson or Aimee Stewart because of their use of colour and so many tiny entertaining details. Ravensburger definitely have Colin Thompson, I can't remember who my Aimee Stewart puzzles came from.
posted by eloeth-starr at 1:54 PM on July 21, 2023
posted by eloeth-starr at 1:54 PM on July 21, 2023
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posted by babelfish at 8:03 AM on July 14, 2023 [11 favorites]