One life-changing experience, please.
January 29, 2015 9:57 AM   Subscribe

I've read a lot about saving money for experiences rather than things. What are some experiences that are absolutely worth saving up for?

I'm in my mid-20's, partnered, and finally beginning to crawl out of the hole that is credit card debt. It's really nice to think that I will be debt-free by next year, but sometimes "debt-free" is a little too amorphous to really motivate me. I like to think about concrete, tangible goals that I can anticipate over time. Also, I want to work with my partner to focus less on things and more on experiences that we can enjoy and will shape our relationship. The new big-screen TV is nice, but it isn't the stuff of memories.

Assuming that we remain debt-free and conscientious about saving, could you recommend some life-changing experiences that we can look forward to in the future? Here are some qualifiers:

- For two people in their mid-20's right now
- Maximum $10,000-$20,000 range in the short-term (5-10 years), or more (like 30-40k) if we're talking about really big, once-in-a-lifetime stuff (that we can probably go to when we're older)
- Experiences that can fit into weekends or 1-2 weeks max.
- Suggestions for honeymoons are welcome. Does everyone have to visit a Caribbean island once in their life? Which one is the best?
- Stuff we've done: been to a few cities in China, California, Texas. Lived in New York. I've been to Europe when I was younger but not with my partner.
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skydiving
posted by desjardins at 9:59 AM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


I just got back from a week in the high Arctic (Svalbard). I totally recommend everyone go.

Buy a one-day skydiving outing.

Take a cruise ship across the Atlantic.

Travel, travel, travel. It's a big ol' world out there. Eat weird food, see intriguing places.
posted by Emperor SnooKloze at 10:01 AM on January 29, 2015 [5 favorites]


Travel to a different country. Maybe especially one where you don't speak the dominant language.
posted by soundguy99 at 10:02 AM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Broadway shows can and often are life changing, depending on the show and the person. Premium seats can be a lot of money but worth it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:02 AM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


Dinner at a world-class restaurant. Think seven to nine course tasting menu from a creative chef. In Seattle, I'd recommend Canlis, and I'd be happy to provide recommendations in other cities if I have visited them.

This doesn't necessarily mean Michelin-starred, and it isn't necessarily as expensive as you'd think. Many cities (especially in the USA) have no Michelin inspectors, resulting in excellent restaurants not being Michelin-starred, and hence, not having the Michelin premium. Further, much of the expense of dinners at that level end up being wine, so if you prefer other drinks, the price can be substantially reduced.
posted by saeculorum at 10:08 AM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


Alaska Railroad, going anywhere.
posted by mochapickle at 10:09 AM on January 29, 2015 [5 favorites]


I think combining travel with a particular cultural interest (i.e., so it's not just "I will go and see such-and-such-a-famous-place-because-it-is-famous" [not that there's anything wrong with that]). So, if you've always been interested in ancient history, traveling to major sites associated with that interest (say, Hadrian's Wall, Athens, Pompeii, Ephesus, Arles etc.). Or if you're an opera fan, going to some of the great opera festivals (Bayreuth, obviously, but Glynbourne and Salzberg and so forth. Or maybe you love wine, so you save up to tour some of the great wineries of the world etc.
posted by yoink at 10:09 AM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Three or four days in Paris, just wandering the streets and eating anything that looks good.
posted by JoeZydeco at 11:13 AM on January 29, 2015 [9 favorites]


I thought I would hate Paris. I loved Paris. Paris.
posted by josher71 at 11:22 AM on January 29, 2015 [9 favorites]


I always encourage people to see their favorite musicians in concert if the opportunity arises. I know people who put this off, not wanting to spend the money (concerts are pretty expensive these days) and the next thing you know, the band has broken up or the lead singer has passed away. Suddenly those tickets don't seem so expensive anymore. If there are musicians who mean a lot to you, see them while you can.
posted by girlmightlive at 11:25 AM on January 29, 2015 [18 favorites]


Best answer: Travel does it for me. Things I've spent WAY too much money on that I wouldn't change for the world:

A room at the Intercontinental Barclay Hotel, dinner at the Russian Tea Room, and two on the aisle for the original cast of Book of Mormon.

Upgrading to the Owner's Suite on a cruise. It's a completely different experience.

Upgrading to the new tower at the Hilton Metropole in London. Theater tickets every night. A day trip to Stonehenge and Bath. England in general.

A suite at the Essex House in New York for a few days.

Upgrading to Business Class when I can.

Staying on property and doing Disney My Way meal plan at Walt Disney World.

Upgrading the rental car to a Lincoln on our honeymoon road trip.

Taking Husbunny to Cooperstown. Didn't do anything for me, but it was a trip of a lifetime for him.

Buying high quality wheeled luggage.

Seeing live theater as much as we can afford.

Sometimes its getting the upgrade that makes all the difference.
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 11:35 AM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Hurtigruten, a ship that takes you all along the Norwegian coast.
posted by Namlit at 11:39 AM on January 29, 2015 [12 favorites]


If you travel, try not to plan too much or worry too much about sticking to a plan. Leave room for random encounters, wandering, getting lost, or otherwise going off-itinerary. A lot of what turns trips into memorable adventures is stuff that, if you saw it coming, you'd probably take steps to avoid it.
posted by Enemy of Joy at 11:56 AM on January 29, 2015 [7 favorites]


If you travel, try not to plan too much or worry too much about sticking to a plan. Leave room for random encounters, wandering, getting lost, or otherwise going off-itinerary. A lot of what turns trips into memorable adventures is stuff that, if you saw it coming, you'd probably take steps to avoid it.

I came in to say exactly this. Try to avoid completely pre-packaged tourist groups. Make your own reservations. Go to the bus station and get your own bus ticket. Mingle with the locals, even if you need to keep a travel phrasebook nearby. To get the most out of travel you need to experience what life is like in that country right now, not just see the ruins of what it was like centuries ago, or stay in an insulated English-only tourist bubble. There is nothing like riding the city bus and choosing a restaurant where the locals hang-out. Those are far and away my most meaningful travel experience. Seeing Machhu Pichu was great, but my favorite moment in Peru was hanging out in a little coffee shop with no other tourists, and then asking the owner what the great music was she had playing on the stereo, and then tracking down the CD to buy it myself. Little things like that stick with me the most.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 12:02 PM on January 29, 2015 [8 favorites]


Travel to landscapes or cultures very different from your own. Desert, volcanic landscape, rainforest, glacier/extreme cold, crystal clear water for snorkeling (see the coral reefs before they all disappear), etc. Places that have so much history in their landscape that they can just ignore some of the ancient ruins because ancient ruins are so commonplace.

The most life-changing brief experiences I've had have been traveling to places very different from your own. Where you don't speak the language (including being able to read the alphabet), and are recognizably not of the local population (eg by race or by economic status). Being in the US especially, we have *so* little awareness of other places or how societies can be different from the US, how our own position in the US is a very particular kind of thing rather than just a default setting that all people can assume. If you're a woman, travel to a place where women are treated very differently; go to a place where the US valuation of skinny vs fat, young people vs old people, work/money vs family time, etc are reversed; where the local sense of time urgency is different; etc. If you're white, go to a place where you stand out a mile for being white and get stared at; bonus points for going somewhere being white is disfavored.
posted by LobsterMitten at 12:04 PM on January 29, 2015 [8 favorites]


Best answer: some of my most life-changing indulgences were in my own kitchen! (also nth-ing paris, because holy hell that broke me open in the best kinds of ways.)

diy home culinary life-changers for me:

-roasting a whole suckling pig for friends

-eating truffles for the first time (omg)

-buying some luxe caviar and crushing it all by myself

-buying enough bourbons to do a solid tasting at home with pals

-buying a different wine everyday for a while, then tasting them all with pals & The Wine Bible on hand to better understand it all

there's something about doing all of these things for your own self that feels 10000x more indulgent to me than all of the michelin stars in the world (i say this with having hit a whole bunch of those two -- it was def unforgettable / amazing, but not life changing for me). ymmv!
posted by crawfo at 12:08 PM on January 29, 2015 [12 favorites]


(But you mention wanting this to be good for your relationship -- so just a note, difficult travel combines a bunch of stressors, so it can be hard on a relationship. Test the waters with an easier trip first -- to see how you work together, which parts of travel you can each be flexible on vs which are non-negotiable -- before booking that minibus trip across India.)
posted by LobsterMitten at 12:13 PM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


If you like the outdoors, the one trip I've taken that was life-changing was to Iceland/Greenland. If I were in my 20s I'd seriously consider moving to Iceland, and Greenland is just mind-bogglingly alien, like being on another planet. I took a long solo hike in Greenland that seriously altered my perception of the world/myself. That seems overly dramatic, but it's true.

Iceland is a great place to be a tourist, because it's really unique and beautiful with tons of stuff to do and see and every single person I encountered spoke English well. Oh, and the Westman Islands, just amazing.

Paris is nice, too.
posted by Huck500 at 12:26 PM on January 29, 2015 [14 favorites]


Two things I've done that were absolutely incredible and very attainable are:

Fly-in grizzly tour in Alaska's Katmai National Park. Several companies do this, they mostly fly small planes from either Anchorage or Homer. Ballpark $700 per person once you're in Alaska. It's feasible to do it in a long weekend, but really, you should stay in Alaska for a while once you're there.

Night time mantaray snorkel out of Kona, Hawaii. Bunch of companies do this also, ballpark $100 per person with the added bonus that you also need to go to Hawaii. If you haven't snorkeled before, make sure you practice a little beforehand.

Depending on what you're afraid of, both of these potentially require back-burnering some fears, but from a physical standpoint pretty much anyone can do them. In either case, if you start out afraid I would suggest that the overall awesomeness will cause you to forget your worries real fast. And I totally promise you will not get eaten.
posted by LowellLarson at 12:51 PM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Cycling from San Diego to El Paso last winter; cycling from Bangkok to Yangon this winter; taking Amtrak across America and getting to peer in at the backyards of small towns all over the nation; hitchhiking thousands of miles in 'safe places' like France and Japan as a single woman in my twenties, and many thousands more in America, and getting to talk to so many wonderful strangers and hone my own resourcefulness; hopping freight trains all over America in my thirties and meeting many more wonderful (and not so wonderful) strangers and in some sense doing my patriotic duty in a very Steinbeckian way; taking the passenger train from Beijing to Moscow via Ulan Baatar; lots of hiking and camping and 'wild camping' by roadsides and en route somewhere or another; making an effort to be friendly with folks I pass on the street, and to engage with as many people outside my normal social sphere as I can; trying to resist the idea that I'm "too old" for any kind of fun or interesting adventure.
posted by tapir-whorf at 1:36 PM on January 29, 2015 [5 favorites]


SCUBA diving. Best done somewhere warm with clear water. We did it on St John's but it was so long ago and I don't know what the place is like now. But I'm fairly sure that SCUBA diving is still awesome.
posted by doctor tough love at 1:38 PM on January 29, 2015


Not a lifechanging but fantastic was roadtripping through SC,NC,VA,MD,PA and deciding to stay in Charlotte for 1 night (Dec 31st). Wandering through the city, we came to Belk Theater just to check it out, found out Book of Mormon was playing (Only musical i wanted to see). All tickets sold out for next 5 days , so we both put in names for the drawing 2min before the drawing closes. Call out 1 name, 2 names and the third one .. Mine. 2 tickets $25 Book of Mormon , Box seats on the right stage. The orchestra and conductor were so clearly visible.

What Iam saying is travel a lot... road-trips, unfamiliar places, chance encounters. That's what I have found out memories are made of.
posted by radsqd at 1:44 PM on January 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


For me, I totally spent money on experiences, but it's not just one experience that I save up for ages for, it's a general philosophy. So we don't really go out to eat but when we do it's something interesting. We don't buy many possessions, but we do go on holiday as much as we possibly can. I don't buy many clothes but I do classes and courses and one-off taster days.

Having smaller goals mean you have to wait less long for the gratification (though it means more deprivation the rest of the time).
posted by kadia_a at 2:02 PM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Travel is the best thing money can buy.
posted by signondiego at 2:29 PM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Best answer: Massages. Being pain-free is astonishing, and bodywork can be like a spiritual experience.
posted by Gin and Broadband at 2:44 PM on January 29, 2015 [3 favorites]


Sailing lessons! Imagine sailing the virgin islands in a beautiful boat with gourmet meals - the thrill of piloting the boat yourself with the comfort of having an experience captain,,,
Invest in weekly massages for both of you. Totally worth the experience.
Volunteer for a week or two with an overseas program and get a first hand look at the effects of poverty.
Spend a weekend in a monastery keeping quiet and practicing your mindfulness.
Invest in a hobby - they take time and money and give you something to talk with each other about.
posted by SyraCarol at 3:32 PM on January 29, 2015


taking Amtrak across America and getting to peer in at the backyards of small towns all over the nation

Seconded. People love mocking Amtrak for being so shitty and slow, but, honey, this isn't Europe.

We did the LA to Portland stretch (and back) a couple years ago and it was awesome. Took about 40 hours each way, which is insane and something you'd never do if you actually needed to get to your destination on a schedule. Nope, most long-haul Amtrakkers are likewise hopping on for the experience of an American slow-ass train. I met so many people I couldn't believe it! Lots of retirees, weirdos, train buffs, hippies (not a lot of security screening to get on a train, if you catch my drift), and so on.
posted by late afternoon dreaming hotel at 3:57 PM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


Seconding Iceland. Rent a car and drive all over the entire island. You can do this in 2 weeks, and it will be amazing.
posted by corn_bread at 5:03 PM on January 29, 2015 [7 favorites]


I would suggest you consider some joint hobbies that allow you to have fun creating or doing together. My guess is that you take classes, join a group, buy outfits or supplies that would let you have a much better (quantity +quality of experience)/$spent ratio, especially if it gives you something new to talk about at the dinner table every night.
posted by metahawk at 5:18 PM on January 29, 2015 [1 favorite]


Nearly everyone should take mushrooms, LSD or MDMA at least once in their lives. For me, tripping balls at the Louvre was unspeakably awesome, but you could find someplace else to go. Just don't discount the power of chemically-induced mind blowing.
posted by klangklangston at 6:26 PM on January 29, 2015 [14 favorites]


Sleep No More.

Road trip through the US National Parks, especially the big Western ones.

I know you are looking for things you can fit into a 2-week vacation. To be honest, though, most of my life-changing experiences weren't exactly expenditures: they were life adventures that allowed me to move around and live in different places with different groups of people, where the day-to-day life was really the life-changing thing. Instead of thinking about how to use your money transactionally to buy great experiences, think about how financial freedom might allow you the option to live and work in different places for a while. You could work on tall ships, organic farms, trail crews, travel outfitters, and so on. AS with everything in life, money matters, but it's the unforgettable relationships with people and the deep experience of different places that stays with you.

If you really really can't uproot, think about some longer-term things that might let you have these experiences over time. Like taking an extended language cclass, joining a trekking/hiking group that meets several times a year, completing challenges like hiking every mountain in a mountain chain or eating at all the top 50 restaurants in a city, learning to swing dance or ballroom dance, etc. Things that will stay with you and extend over time and bring new social and experiental opportunities with them that are bigger than a one-hit.
posted by Miko at 7:27 PM on January 29, 2015 [4 favorites]


I recently took a hot air balloon trip. It was wonderful.
posted by girlgenius at 3:54 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


The drive from Banff to Jasper is the most awe-inspiring part of the Rockies, in my opinion/experience, and I always encourage people to do it at least once in their lives. That said, I've never been to the Yukon or Alaska, so they may be even better.

In terms of general philosophy, I'll reflect what kadia_a said. Since having life-changing experiences is something you value, make sure you're having lots of little ones along the way instead of just looking toward the one big one way off in the future. You might find that learning to ice skate is life-changing, or doing karaoke, or taking cooking classes, or learning to weld, or being a Big Brother/Big Sister, or helping out at Habitat for Humanity, or making art.
posted by clawsoon at 4:38 AM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


Thought of another one. Get involved with a political campaign. It could be for a candidate's election or a piece of legislation you think is a really good idea - as long as you care about it and believe in it - and it doesn't matter if it's a marginal thing that's never really going to happen. Campaigns are great events that bring people together, build camaraderie, make you think, allow you to meet a lot of people, need good work done, and build to moments of high excitement. In the end you usually feel like accomplished something whether you won or lost.

Another such thing is volunteering with or, ideally, helping to plan a big event like a community or music festival. The same things as campaigns in terms of the crazy group experiences along the way, but when the culminating event comes, it's a festival, so it's usually fun and you can look around and see what impact you had on people.
posted by Miko at 6:10 AM on January 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


Speaking of Banff and Jasper, go stand on a glacier before they're all gone or inaccessible.

I actually did this during a 2 week trip to New Zealand- we rented a car, drove down the west coast of the North Island, down the west coast of the South Island, turned around and drove back up. Auckland was ok, Wellington was great, and the South Island is magnificent. If you time it right, you can go to Dunedin and watch Royal Albatrosses learn to fly.

Or, depending on fitness level, go backpacking/hiking in Utah. Despite the politics, Utah is one of the most beautiful states in the country. And the people are nice, even if I have trouble finding good things to say about their religion.

Also, when you take your trip, try to have the electronics at a minimum. You can check your email only at night, and really, you should do so only every few days (let people know in advance). Have a way for emergency contact, but focus on the there, not the world you normally live in. You'll be back there soon enough.
posted by Hactar at 7:48 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Doing solitary silent meditation retreats was life-changing for me in the best possible way. It was hard as hell, though.
posted by Cygnet at 11:39 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Visit the Galapagos islands.
posted by Obscure Reference at 1:08 PM on January 30, 2015


I know you might think it's just for degenerate hippies, but I must suggest Burningman.

That, or, on the other end of the spectrum, a ten day silent Vipassana retreat.
posted by Freen at 3:11 PM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Does it have to be 'go somewhere and do something for some period of time'? I volunteered at a suicide & crisis call center, and that was really rewarding. It made me see how fortunate I was for my health. It was very humbling.

I also once had a summer internship at a world-class museum in Washington, D.C.. I have thought about retiring nearby so that I could volunteer in some of the other museums.

Places that I have gone that have been awesome are:

New York City (Theater & Museums)
DC (Museums)
Beijing (The Wall, Tiananmen Square, Forbidden City)
Istanbul (I thought the Blue Mosque was astonishing, the Hagia Sofia was amazing, the Topkai Palace holds the relics of Islam, the Grand Bazaar is mind-boggling)
Barcelona (I'd crawl back there just to see Sagrada Familia again.)


Hope this helps!
posted by dfm500 at 5:44 PM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


Go somewhere that is remote enough that you can see what the night sky ought to look like. When you can see the Milky Way... that's amazing.
posted by ontheradio at 7:54 AM on January 31, 2015


Hey, you can do that and hit the National Parks goal at the same time. The most startlingly starry, Milky-Way-lit sky I've ever seen was in Grand Tetons NAtional Park. I just never knew there were that many stars.
posted by Miko at 8:35 PM on January 31, 2015 [1 favorite]


Volunteering at an animal shelter.
posted by turbid dahlia at 3:00 PM on February 1, 2015


$20k is *huge* for "1-2 weekends, or a week max". But if you don't have two weeks, and you're not absolutely loaded and doing this regularly? Don't go for Europe or Asia until you've got enough time to make the flights worth it.

If you're on the East Coast, go for the Caribbean. Some islands are spring-break focused, some are adult-focused, some family-focused, and most a mix of all of those. TripAdvisor is a terrific website for teasing it apart; there are three bioluminencent bays you can kayak in at night in Puerto Rico. I haven't seen them yet, but intend to.

If you're on the West Coast, Hawaii is about the same cost, as is Acapulco. Hawaii's pretty damn good; if you head for Maui, rent a 4WD and drive clockwise around the island back to Hana. If you go for the big island, rent a 4WD and drive up Mauna Kea to the observatories (3 miles up, and you'll feel lightheaded, so take your time driving back down!)

Alternatively, if you're an outdoorsy sort, hit up a few of the better national parks.

If you're the indoorsy sort? Do a weekend of restaurants and theater in NYC, or do a week of museums and restaurants in Washington, DC.

Or go watch a rocket launch.

Seconding the suggestion for Burningman, as this is it's cup of tea.

And FWIW, if I only got to go overseas once more in my life, I'd strongly consider returning to Barcelona; hell of a city, both to visit and to live, it seems.
posted by talldean at 8:34 PM on February 1, 2015


Best answer: My most memorable trips were always rooted in cultural history and tradition.

You can discover the lost city of Machu Piccu, high in the Andean mountains of southern Peru following a four day hike, winding through villages, meeting people, tasting foods and discovering scenic beauty you'd never imagined.

The trek of the Camino de Santiago, from south western France to the western most province of Spain, takes about 2-3 weeks and is illuminating. You can stay in tiny mom and pop houses and villages along the route, who in some parts only speak basque, one of two languages not connected to any other in the world. the food is to die for. the view and constant mist from the atlantic is amazing.

consider also riding the pan american highway, which stretches from alaska to brazil. i met people in nicaragua once who had timed it so that when they got to the end, it was Carnaval.

Also interesting are socio historical trips. i met some guys in memphis once, there for the anniversary of mlk's assassination, who were touring all major sights of the civil rights movment, including doing actual city to city marches.

Look up the worlds greatest parties too. India's Holi, Spain's Tomatilla, Turkey's oil wrestling competitions, Scotlands viking renactments...

The events celebrating and marking changes in the world's history are likely to be life changing for you, too. :)
posted by meeeese at 2:10 AM on February 2, 2015 [1 favorite]


Fly to South Africa, tick off a safari in one of the private reserves at the south end of Kruger Park, see the lions and elephants and what not up close. Then head to Gaansbai and crawl into a cage to see (or if you're really lucky, touch) a great white shark. Piss your wetsuit.

Maybe stop by the wine country near Cape Town on your way back.
posted by allkindsoftime at 4:01 PM on February 2, 2015


Best answer: Travel is awesome. I'd add "go see the rainforest somewhere" to the lists above.

Setting travel aside, when I was 10 years old or so, my parents bought a little lake cabin about an hour from our house. It was a bit of a stretch for them at the time, but they made it work. And it was a life-changing thing for our family. Now we had a destination every weekend where we could get away. My dad fished, I learned to sail, and my mom would garden and putter around the little lake towns. It felt like we were going on vacation every weekend. I'm lucky enough to have something similar now, and it really does make all the difference to know, on a Friday afternoon, that you've got your bag packed and ready to go to the mountains. We have friends over a lot more often. And the whole experience is something we look forward to a lot. At the prices you're discussing, you're probably going to be in range for a little shack on a piece of land somewhere, or a condo with a view. Consider that for an every-weekend vacation.
posted by craven_morhead at 9:15 AM on February 3, 2015 [1 favorite]


Alaska Railroad, going anywhere.

Seconded.

One summer when I was in college, I found a job in Alaska that paid for my travel, and spent the whole summer exploring the state. It's unquestionably one of the best things that I've done with my life.
posted by schmod at 10:42 AM on February 3, 2015 [2 favorites]


Backpacking in the snow. I took a class with the final outing being a multi-day trip outside Bend, Oregon. I always thought I was "tough," but I found new reserves there.

Get into a sport like skiing, running or cycling, then travel for races or just places where you can have an amazing adventure.

Have a kid. It'll cost all that and then some, and "life changing" doesn't begin to cover it.
posted by thomsplace at 5:57 AM on February 4, 2015


Behind-the-sceens tours of museums!!!

My best friend paid for the two of us to take the "Behind the Lines" tour of the National World War II Museum, and it blew my mind. To have read so much about a topic, and then actually to lay a hand on the artifacts was close to overwhelming. I still think about it all the time.

Then a year ago, a friend who works at an unnamed state historical society lead me through their back areas for about an hour, and it was simply amazing to see the (yes, totally "Raiders of the Lost Ark"-looking) storage vaults, and the restoration labs, and even to handle a few items. (Reader, I sniffed that 500-year old book!)

If I was saving up for something, it would be a trip centered around a hands-on experience in a museum or other facility related to a major interest.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:11 AM on February 4, 2015 [1 favorite]


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