Use a .ch URL for an architecture firm named [word ending in CH]?
July 31, 2013 6:16 PM Subscribe
[ten_letter_name_ending_in_CH].com is not available. But [first_eight_letters].ch is. Is it complete folly to make this 'domain hack' the primary domain for a combined architecture and photography practice?
A friend is about to register an architectural and photography practice in Australia called "_ _ _ _ _ _ a t c h". (Yes, I'm probably being overly cautious, but I don't want to be responsible for some nefarious party registering the name or domain from under him. It's a ten letter word ending in ATCH.)
The two principals are young up-and-coming architects coming from large commercial firms, with one also running a well-regarded architectural photography business under his own name that he would fold into the firm.
The [name].com and [name].com.au domains aren't available (both redirect to other domains, so they can probably be bought for a price, but having just given up fulltime jobs to start the firm they're trying to keep expenses down at the moment). So the obvious approach is probably to register:
But these are pretty long domains (24 & 25 characters without the .au suffixes respectively) and none of them adequately describe the breadth of the business. And [name]architectureandphotography.com.au is only going to fit on a business card in four point type.
_ _ _ _ _ _ at.ch is available.
There are some internet startups that have taken this approach (eg instagr.am). Do you think a small architecture firm could?
From a branding perspective do you think this would be 'courageous'?
From a usability perspective what percentage of people just won't 'get it' (and will modern browsers' combined URL/search fields help them sufficiently)?
From an SEO perspective how much of a hit would they take? (Architecture is a word-of-mouth profession, so they're not looking to score for general enquiries like 'Melbourne architects' but obviously want prospective clients who type '[name] architects' or '[name] photography' into the search field to find them. Melbourne, Australia is obviously nowhere near Switzerland, but are Google's algorithms sufficiently clever to let other factors (like a office address) outweigh the TLD designation?
A friend is about to register an architectural and photography practice in Australia called "_ _ _ _ _ _ a t c h". (Yes, I'm probably being overly cautious, but I don't want to be responsible for some nefarious party registering the name or domain from under him. It's a ten letter word ending in ATCH.)
The two principals are young up-and-coming architects coming from large commercial firms, with one also running a well-regarded architectural photography business under his own name that he would fold into the firm.
The [name].com and [name].com.au domains aren't available (both redirect to other domains, so they can probably be bought for a price, but having just given up fulltime jobs to start the firm they're trying to keep expenses down at the moment). So the obvious approach is probably to register:
- [name]architects.com (or [name]architecture.com)
- [name]architects.com.au
- [name]photography.com
- [name]photography.com.au
But these are pretty long domains (24 & 25 characters without the .au suffixes respectively) and none of them adequately describe the breadth of the business. And [name]architectureandphotography.com.au is only going to fit on a business card in four point type.
_ _ _ _ _ _ at.ch is available.
There are some internet startups that have taken this approach (eg instagr.am). Do you think a small architecture firm could?
From a branding perspective do you think this would be 'courageous'?
From a usability perspective what percentage of people just won't 'get it' (and will modern browsers' combined URL/search fields help them sufficiently)?
From an SEO perspective how much of a hit would they take? (Architecture is a word-of-mouth profession, so they're not looking to score for general enquiries like 'Melbourne architects' but obviously want prospective clients who type '[name] architects' or '[name] photography' into the search field to find them. Melbourne, Australia is obviously nowhere near Switzerland, but are Google's algorithms sufficiently clever to let other factors (like a office address) outweigh the TLD designation?
.ch domains are not on the list of extensions that Google treats as gTLDs so if they are in Australia it'll be a uphill SEO battle.
Anything other than .com/.com.au will leak traffic to same. That's unavoidable.
My suggestion: at least contact the owner if the .com and .com.au. Unless we are talking super common single word you can often be surprised.
If that doesn't work out consider net, co, etc as those are treated at gTLDs. Well, .net is, of course.
I do buyers brokerage if you want a disconnected party to make an inquiry about the domain name. Just reach out via Memail.
posted by FlamingBore at 6:25 PM on July 31, 2013
Anything other than .com/.com.au will leak traffic to same. That's unavoidable.
My suggestion: at least contact the owner if the .com and .com.au. Unless we are talking super common single word you can often be surprised.
If that doesn't work out consider net, co, etc as those are treated at gTLDs. Well, .net is, of course.
I do buyers brokerage if you want a disconnected party to make an inquiry about the domain name. Just reach out via Memail.
posted by FlamingBore at 6:25 PM on July 31, 2013
There are only so many TLDs out there, as FlamingBore mentioned, but I second sasquat.ch (which was also the example I thought of in my head).
posted by a halcyon day at 6:46 PM on July 31, 2013
posted by a halcyon day at 6:46 PM on July 31, 2013
Response by poster: FlamingBore, all the half-decent other TLDs have gone (although I agree it's certainly worth contacting the domain owners, just in case).
I came up with the domain hack version after they told me they were considering a bastardisation of the name as a .com domain. My feeling is that if they aren't keen on the long URLs I listed above then from a branding perspective (but possibly not an SEO one) my suggestion is cleaner/cleverer. Obviously asking for opinions on the Green is a bit self-selecting, because MeFites are all likely to understand domain hacks even if they weren't aware of the term itself, but as much as anything if you guys tell me you hate it then that pretty much seals its fate.
From an SEO perspective I think the overwhelming concern is simply to make sure prospective clients who are explicitly looking for their firm can find them (e.g. if one of their projects gets featured in an architecture magazine). More typical general SEO objectives that many internet sites have (say 'house design in Melbourne') aren't particularly applicable for a company that might only take on three or four jobs a year.
posted by puffmoike at 6:54 PM on July 31, 2013
I came up with the domain hack version after they told me they were considering a bastardisation of the name as a .com domain. My feeling is that if they aren't keen on the long URLs I listed above then from a branding perspective (but possibly not an SEO one) my suggestion is cleaner/cleverer. Obviously asking for opinions on the Green is a bit self-selecting, because MeFites are all likely to understand domain hacks even if they weren't aware of the term itself, but as much as anything if you guys tell me you hate it then that pretty much seals its fate.
From an SEO perspective I think the overwhelming concern is simply to make sure prospective clients who are explicitly looking for their firm can find them (e.g. if one of their projects gets featured in an architecture magazine). More typical general SEO objectives that many internet sites have (say 'house design in Melbourne') aren't particularly applicable for a company that might only take on three or four jobs a year.
posted by puffmoike at 6:54 PM on July 31, 2013
I look at the stability of the government and whether or not I want to contribute to that country. I think you are safe with a .ch. I wouldn't hesitate to us this.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:42 PM on July 31, 2013
posted by cjorgensen at 7:42 PM on July 31, 2013
The Digital Public Library of America ended up having to do this. Their chosen "www.dpla.org" was taken so they settled for "www.dp.la". It's a little weird but the average user doesn't understand the details of why there's a weird thing at the end rather than a .com or .org.
posted by teleri025 at 7:52 PM on July 31, 2013
posted by teleri025 at 7:52 PM on July 31, 2013
I don't want to be responsible for some nefarious party registering the name or domain from under him
If it's an actual word, you'd better go register it now, it's way too easy to guess what it could be.
posted by yohko at 8:36 PM on July 31, 2013
If it's an actual word, you'd better go register it now, it's way too easy to guess what it could be.
posted by yohko at 8:36 PM on July 31, 2013
Use the .ch for letterheads and business cards, etc, but have it redirect to blahblahatch-architects.com (or whatever).
posted by dirtdirt at 9:28 PM on July 31, 2013
posted by dirtdirt at 9:28 PM on July 31, 2013
If it's an actual word, you'd better go register it now, it's way too easy to guess what it could be.
There's no reason for someone reading this thread to register your friend's domain even if they do guess it - the whole point is that they're not even bidding on the better .com domain.
I agree with the people who say that basically it doesn't matter what the domain is. People will type it in correctly from the business card, but if they're doing it from memory, I don't think you'll get a big difference between deathwat.ch or deathwatch-photography.com or whatever. I suppose if it ends in .com it will be more obviously a internet address even without out the http:// prefix.
Also, Deathwatch is a terrible name for an architecture firm.
posted by aubilenon at 10:06 PM on July 31, 2013 [5 favorites]
There's no reason for someone reading this thread to register your friend's domain even if they do guess it - the whole point is that they're not even bidding on the better .com domain.
I agree with the people who say that basically it doesn't matter what the domain is. People will type it in correctly from the business card, but if they're doing it from memory, I don't think you'll get a big difference between deathwat.ch or deathwatch-photography.com or whatever. I suppose if it ends in .com it will be more obviously a internet address even without out the http:// prefix.
Also, Deathwatch is a terrible name for an architecture firm.
posted by aubilenon at 10:06 PM on July 31, 2013 [5 favorites]
Don't forget you need a valid Swiss mailing address to register a .ch domain!
posted by dave99 at 11:39 PM on July 31, 2013
posted by dave99 at 11:39 PM on July 31, 2013
I agree with the advice to get a couple of the domains and have them redirect to the deathwat.ch domain. (As long as whatever your "deathwat" is isn't some horrifying word.)
I agree that the two letter domain is currently trendy. But it may not be in the future, and having the other domains adds flexibility.
Also, I suspect with the upcoming increase in the number of top level domains, people will get back in the habit of typing the whole domain. [whatever].com as a default will probably not change for quite some time, but people will get more used to the idea that they didn't guess correctly if google doesn't guess correctly for them.
posted by gjc at 1:56 AM on August 1, 2013
I agree that the two letter domain is currently trendy. But it may not be in the future, and having the other domains adds flexibility.
Also, I suspect with the upcoming increase in the number of top level domains, people will get back in the habit of typing the whole domain. [whatever].com as a default will probably not change for quite some time, but people will get more used to the idea that they didn't guess correctly if google doesn't guess correctly for them.
posted by gjc at 1:56 AM on August 1, 2013
If your friend was starting an accounting firm, or a bank or something that needed gravitas, then the more traditional OrrinHatchArchitects.com would be a better choice. But design and architecture is the sort of field where a clever optimisation like OrrinHat.ch is actually appealing. And add the other backups as redirects to be safe.
posted by Homeboy Trouble at 2:38 AM on August 1, 2013
posted by Homeboy Trouble at 2:38 AM on August 1, 2013
Response by poster: Bugger. They were tossing up between deathwat.ch and orrinhat.ch and now the hive mind has managed to guess both of them.
posted by puffmoike at 4:12 AM on August 1, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by puffmoike at 4:12 AM on August 1, 2013 [2 favorites]
Response by poster: Incidentally the .ch domain is administered by SWITCH Information Technology Services., but their URL is switch.ch, not swit.ch
posted by puffmoike at 4:18 AM on August 1, 2013
posted by puffmoike at 4:18 AM on August 1, 2013
Response by poster: dave99 wrote:
Don't forget you need a valid Swiss mailing address to register a .ch domain!Do you know something I don't? According to the Switch website:
You can register a .ch domain name without being Swiss and without living in Switzerland or having your business based in Switzerland.posted by puffmoike at 4:33 AM on August 1, 2013
re: address requirements:
https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/terms/agb.jsp#a13
Section 2.6
Anyone *can* register, however if someone gets in a snit about the registration showing a non-Swiss address they can report you, Switch will demand an update to a local address and if you cannot furnish one the domain name will be revoked.
There are companies out there that will act as your localized agent, but it's an annual fee and not cheap.
posted by FlamingBore at 5:48 AM on August 1, 2013
https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/terms/agb.jsp#a13
Section 2.6
Anyone *can* register, however if someone gets in a snit about the registration showing a non-Swiss address they can report you, Switch will demand an update to a local address and if you cannot furnish one the domain name will be revoked.
There are companies out there that will act as your localized agent, but it's an annual fee and not cheap.
posted by FlamingBore at 5:48 AM on August 1, 2013
From a media perspective, it helps enormously when architecture firms have local domain names. If I'm looking for a Swiss firm and end up with an Australian one it's rather confusing. Also, the '.ch' seems a bit gimmicky - the era of architecture firms with whizzy dotcom style names was a decade or so ago. Just my opinion though.
posted by jonathanbell at 7:16 AM on August 1, 2013
posted by jonathanbell at 7:16 AM on August 1, 2013
Use the .ch for letterheads and business cards, etc, but have it redirect to blahblahatch-architects.com (or whatever).
This. You get to have a catchy domain name without the SEO drawbacks.
posted by neckro23 at 10:34 AM on August 1, 2013
This. You get to have a catchy domain name without the SEO drawbacks.
posted by neckro23 at 10:34 AM on August 1, 2013
If I'm looking for a Swiss firm and end up with an Australian one it's rather confusing
yeah, why don't you recommend sasquatchb.au?
posted by a halcyon day at 8:18 PM on August 1, 2013
yeah, why don't you recommend sasquatchb.au?
posted by a halcyon day at 8:18 PM on August 1, 2013
Response by poster: a halcyon day, the format for australian domains is name.com.au (not simply name.au) and ******atch.com.au is taken.
posted by puffmoike at 9:13 AM on August 2, 2013
posted by puffmoike at 9:13 AM on August 2, 2013
Response by poster: Thanks everyone.
The guys liked ******at.ch and the domain has been purchased (but I'm not sure if the company name has yet been registered). They will also approach the holder of ******atch.com.au to see if they have any interest in selling the domain.
Thanks to everyone who contributed. No obvious best answers, because it was a bit of an open-ended question which elicited lots of great responses.
posted by puffmoike at 9:21 AM on August 2, 2013
The guys liked ******at.ch and the domain has been purchased (but I'm not sure if the company name has yet been registered). They will also approach the holder of ******atch.com.au to see if they have any interest in selling the domain.
Thanks to everyone who contributed. No obvious best answers, because it was a bit of an open-ended question which elicited lots of great responses.
posted by puffmoike at 9:21 AM on August 2, 2013
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Some people will go to sasquatch.com no matter which of those choices you go with, so you might as well go with the one that is shorter and hipper. Two letter tld's are the thing these days.
posted by alms at 6:21 PM on July 31, 2013 [3 favorites]