We want to politely ask our roommate to leave and are wondering about how to do this nicely while also avoiding any possible legal issues in California
June 13, 2012 6:27 AM Subscribe
We want to politely ask our roommate to leave and are wondering about how to do this politely while also avoiding any possible legal issues in California
Things are not working out with our current roommate and my girlfriend and I would like to ask her to leave.
As our lease recently lapsed into a month-to-month, we don't have that to worry about, but we are concerned about any possible legal issues that maybe hadn't occurred to us.
How can you get rid of a roommate in CA, legally and politely?
• What laws and/or rights does each of us have?
• Can we ask her to leave?
• Can we sign a year lease without her?
Issues with roommate:
• She contributes little to nothing to the household upkeep beyond her 1/3 of bills. My girlfriend and I are the only ones that clean, often having to clean up messes after her parties.
• Her bedroom is like a hoarders site and smells poorly and that smell carries outside of her room
• Is frequently late with her bill payments. In addition, she handles our electric bill and refuses to allow a paper bill to come to the house. She claimed it was for environmental reasons until we called her out for being on every catalog mailing list known to man. She then claimed that it was because we received a 6% discount on our bill for going paperless, a discount the power company claims they don't offer. On top of that, she often fails to share the amount due until days, weeks after due date. I am suspecting that she is either floating the bills and pocketing the money or skimming.
• Dislikes our pets and we're afraid she may be cruel to them
• On a humorous note, she left two REAL LIVE Christmas trees in her room for nearly 6 mod each
• Only started chipping in for household cleaning items (the ones WE use to clean the house without her) after we added them to the rent.
• Often leaves collections of dishes in her room for long long periods of time.
Basically we are at the end of the rope with this situation, but we would like to handle this as honorably as possible. And we certainly don't want to step across any laws or anyones rights.
Things are not working out with our current roommate and my girlfriend and I would like to ask her to leave.
As our lease recently lapsed into a month-to-month, we don't have that to worry about, but we are concerned about any possible legal issues that maybe hadn't occurred to us.
How can you get rid of a roommate in CA, legally and politely?
• What laws and/or rights does each of us have?
• Can we ask her to leave?
• Can we sign a year lease without her?
Issues with roommate:
• She contributes little to nothing to the household upkeep beyond her 1/3 of bills. My girlfriend and I are the only ones that clean, often having to clean up messes after her parties.
• Her bedroom is like a hoarders site and smells poorly and that smell carries outside of her room
• Is frequently late with her bill payments. In addition, she handles our electric bill and refuses to allow a paper bill to come to the house. She claimed it was for environmental reasons until we called her out for being on every catalog mailing list known to man. She then claimed that it was because we received a 6% discount on our bill for going paperless, a discount the power company claims they don't offer. On top of that, she often fails to share the amount due until days, weeks after due date. I am suspecting that she is either floating the bills and pocketing the money or skimming.
• Dislikes our pets and we're afraid she may be cruel to them
• On a humorous note, she left two REAL LIVE Christmas trees in her room for nearly 6 mod each
• Only started chipping in for household cleaning items (the ones WE use to clean the house without her) after we added them to the rent.
• Often leaves collections of dishes in her room for long long periods of time.
Basically we are at the end of the rope with this situation, but we would like to handle this as honorably as possible. And we certainly don't want to step across any laws or anyones rights.
If you're month-to-month, maybe the easiest solution is for you and your girlfriend to find another place and move there without the roommate?
posted by xingcat at 6:55 AM on June 13, 2012 [10 favorites]
posted by xingcat at 6:55 AM on June 13, 2012 [10 favorites]
Most apartment places I've looked at will let you move to another unit without any of the lease breaking fees or anything like that. If you can move within the complex with your girlfriend without having to take the roommate along for the ride that could be an easy fix.
posted by theichibun at 7:06 AM on June 13, 2012 [4 favorites]
posted by theichibun at 7:06 AM on June 13, 2012 [4 favorites]
Legally, you may not ask her to move out in the state of California. Her tenancy rights protect her here.
- Give her (and the landlord) 30 days notice and move out of the apartment yourselves.
- Try asking her to leave, just know you can not force her out.
That's it. Those are your choices. Your landlord is not involved, unless either you guys, or roommate, provide 30 days written notice.
posted by jbenben at 7:18 AM on June 13, 2012 [9 favorites]
- Give her (and the landlord) 30 days notice and move out of the apartment yourselves.
- Try asking her to leave, just know you can not force her out.
That's it. Those are your choices. Your landlord is not involved, unless either you guys, or roommate, provide 30 days written notice.
posted by jbenben at 7:18 AM on June 13, 2012 [9 favorites]
Assuming jbenben is correct, and I assume so, give her the option. Either she moves out and you stay or she finds two new roommates.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 7:29 AM on June 13, 2012
posted by JohnnyGunn at 7:29 AM on June 13, 2012
Yeah, I agree with the above folks saying you find another place just for you and your girlfriend: "oh sorry, but we've decided to get a smaller place, and there won't be room for you!" Tell her YOU are moving, and make sure to take your names off as tenants. She can stay in the current apartment or move, her choice, but it'll cause the least drama in the meantime.
As far as the electric bill goes: is there any way you can look up the billing history online, and compare how much you've actually paid Roomie to how much you SHOULD have paid? On the bright side, IF the bill is in her name only, this might be another benefit to your moving out: let her deal with the mess she created. (But double-check to make sure your names are off all utilities, anyway.)
posted by easily confused at 7:30 AM on June 13, 2012 [3 favorites]
As far as the electric bill goes: is there any way you can look up the billing history online, and compare how much you've actually paid Roomie to how much you SHOULD have paid? On the bright side, IF the bill is in her name only, this might be another benefit to your moving out: let her deal with the mess she created. (But double-check to make sure your names are off all utilities, anyway.)
posted by easily confused at 7:30 AM on June 13, 2012 [3 favorites]
If you're all on the lease, and you're on month to month, you can just say:
"We've decided that we'd prefer not to have a roommate. So we're giving you 30-days notice. We'd like to keep the apartment if that works for you."
Hopefully it does. If it doesn't, then she's on notice that she's got to find two new room mates, and YOU move out. How the Landlord deals with it from there, is his/her business.
Put everything in writing, including notice to the Landlord. Don't list any reasons why you don't want her for a roommate. It's not all that weird for a couple to not want a roommate (She doesn't have to know that you'll be advertising on Craigslist for a new roommate).
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 7:34 AM on June 13, 2012 [3 favorites]
"We've decided that we'd prefer not to have a roommate. So we're giving you 30-days notice. We'd like to keep the apartment if that works for you."
Hopefully it does. If it doesn't, then she's on notice that she's got to find two new room mates, and YOU move out. How the Landlord deals with it from there, is his/her business.
Put everything in writing, including notice to the Landlord. Don't list any reasons why you don't want her for a roommate. It's not all that weird for a couple to not want a roommate (She doesn't have to know that you'll be advertising on Craigslist for a new roommate).
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 7:34 AM on June 13, 2012 [3 favorites]
The emotional drain of trying (and maybe failing) to force her to move out will last in your memory far, far longer than the temporary physical exertion of planning and executing your own move.
posted by KokuRyu at 11:24 AM on June 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by KokuRyu at 11:24 AM on June 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
I think it's a sleazy tactic, but I've heard of two different people who have had luck in similar situations by talking to the landlord, explaining why roommate is a bad tenant, and asking landlord to sign a new lease (now that yours is up) without roommate on it.
posted by Circumstands at 11:37 AM on June 13, 2012
posted by Circumstands at 11:37 AM on June 13, 2012
We were in a similar situation. Because all three tenants' names were on the original lease, each of us had a legal right to be there and although we had asked this person to leave, there was no way to force him out. He decided he wouldn't move out and living with him was intolerable, so we moved out instead. We felt it was unsafe to inform him that we were leaving, so we didn't. You don't sound like you're at that point, so feel free to give your roommate a heads up that it won't be possible for you to share accommodations with her any longer. If she won't go, you'll have to move. It's a bad situation, but there's nothing you can do except extricate yourselves as best you can and move on with your lives.
One thing to remember is that utility bills can be reported to credit agencies. If she's paying your bill late every month or only paying part of it and all of your names are on the bill, this may affect your credit score and therefore your ability to get another apartment. Deal with that ASAP and get your names removed from the bill if possible.
posted by i feel possessed at 8:52 PM on June 13, 2012
One thing to remember is that utility bills can be reported to credit agencies. If she's paying your bill late every month or only paying part of it and all of your names are on the bill, this may affect your credit score and therefore your ability to get another apartment. Deal with that ASAP and get your names removed from the bill if possible.
posted by i feel possessed at 8:52 PM on June 13, 2012
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If you all have equal standing on your agreement/lease with the landlord, she has just as much right to kick you out as you do to kick her out. So you kind of have to start by asking her, politely, to leave.
I don't know, but I would guess that any legal action you could take against her would be more difficult than just finding a new place to live. That might be easier if you recruit the landlord to your cause - he/she might be happy to get your roommate out since it sounds like she is grossing up the joint big time (and keeping Christmas trees for six months isn't humorous, it's a crazy fire hazard).
posted by mskyle at 6:54 AM on June 13, 2012