Best, quickest way to pass the intermediate language learner plateau?
June 7, 2018 5:19 PM Subscribe
My employer uses a French screening test which you must pass to attain certain jobs. I am currently in the intermediate level. I would very much like to be in the high level. I can re-test this summer. What is the best way to spend my study time?
I found that most of the material I have is either very rudimentary (I know how to order food in a restaurant and small-talk with a co-worker about the weather!) or very dull and technical (“here is a three-page list of verbs in past subjunctive that you can memorize.”) That can’t be the best way, can it? So, should I be reading novels? If so, which ones? Should I be watching video? If so, which ones? Learning websites? What?
It would be very good for my career if I can get the higher ranking. Interview will be the completion of a written essay topic (last time, I had to write about what I did on my summer vacation, but that won’t be the same now) and a ten-minute conversational test with a superior. Accent doesn’t matter, although mine is good. Fluency and accuracy do matter.
I found that most of the material I have is either very rudimentary (I know how to order food in a restaurant and small-talk with a co-worker about the weather!) or very dull and technical (“here is a three-page list of verbs in past subjunctive that you can memorize.”) That can’t be the best way, can it? So, should I be reading novels? If so, which ones? Should I be watching video? If so, which ones? Learning websites? What?
It would be very good for my career if I can get the higher ranking. Interview will be the completion of a written essay topic (last time, I had to write about what I did on my summer vacation, but that won’t be the same now) and a ten-minute conversational test with a superior. Accent doesn’t matter, although mine is good. Fluency and accuracy do matter.
Having a certain level of proficiency in French is also a requirement for my job with retests every few years. I find that it my fluency has slipped (and boy, does it slip after a couple years) the best thing is to find a native French speaker willing to meet with you a couple hours a week to just chat. Ideally it would be someone who also wants to practice their English so you can both profiter. If you live in even a moderately-sized city, you'll find someone out there willing to pair up with you for this.
posted by fso at 5:51 PM on June 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by fso at 5:51 PM on June 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
+1 go native
That's what took me to the next level in French.
posted by St. Peepsburg at 6:37 PM on June 7, 2018
That's what took me to the next level in French.
posted by St. Peepsburg at 6:37 PM on June 7, 2018
I am a languages teacher. Echoing the above, conversation is the way to improve. Also, watch French media. Get a French pen pal. Blog in French?
The key is to make it enjoyable and to do it regularly and often.
Space it out too- do some each day rather than marathon sessions.
posted by freethefeet at 7:14 PM on June 7, 2018
The key is to make it enjoyable and to do it regularly and often.
Space it out too- do some each day rather than marathon sessions.
posted by freethefeet at 7:14 PM on June 7, 2018
My language of choice is Spanish, so I don't have any specific content recommendations, but I am working on getting past that same plateau.
In addition to talking with native speakers, watching videos/TV shows/movies have been helpful for me, even more so if they have subtitles (either in English or the language you're learning - they're each helpful in different ways). I watch videos on YouTube about things I'm interested in that just happen to be in Spanish. I also listen to music/podcasts, read magazines and books and whatever other exposure I can get. I still study & practice the technical stuff because verb tenses are still what trip me up the most when speaking.
posted by Emmc325 at 7:32 PM on June 7, 2018
In addition to talking with native speakers, watching videos/TV shows/movies have been helpful for me, even more so if they have subtitles (either in English or the language you're learning - they're each helpful in different ways). I watch videos on YouTube about things I'm interested in that just happen to be in Spanish. I also listen to music/podcasts, read magazines and books and whatever other exposure I can get. I still study & practice the technical stuff because verb tenses are still what trip me up the most when speaking.
posted by Emmc325 at 7:32 PM on June 7, 2018
In addition to the conversation recommendations above, try out some dictées, which are a great way to improve your grammar in a practical way that also helps you to see patterns in actual examples. You can do the type where you type what someone says, or this kind where you make corrections to a text.
posted by urbanlenny at 7:38 PM on June 7, 2018
posted by urbanlenny at 7:38 PM on June 7, 2018
There are a few apps out there that will match you up with someone who wants to learn your language. So you spend sometime chatting in your native language and some time chatting in theirs. HelloTalk is one I used. It’s hit or miss depending on who you get, but you can easily switch partners. I would be very specific in telling them what you want help with, so they’re not letting errors slide out of politeness, if you’re looking for perfection.
posted by greermahoney at 7:55 PM on June 7, 2018
posted by greermahoney at 7:55 PM on June 7, 2018
I like listening to pimsleur, michel thomas, and news in slow french.
posted by umbú at 7:56 PM on June 7, 2018
posted by umbú at 7:56 PM on June 7, 2018
Actually, if your primary goal for now is to pass that test, I would suggest specific test prep instead of reading novels. Novels and TV shows are great in the long run, and I'm not saying don't spend time on them because they help you increase reading and listening fluency, but if you have a test to pass, focus on the potential items of the test. If it's a standardized one, there should be a prep book.
Also, if your test has a speaking portion, practice speaking. If you don't have access to a native speaker, speak French to the TV, the cat, the wall. It doesn't matter, but speaking fluency increases by speaking, period.
posted by LoonyLovegood at 11:27 PM on June 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
Also, if your test has a speaking portion, practice speaking. If you don't have access to a native speaker, speak French to the TV, the cat, the wall. It doesn't matter, but speaking fluency increases by speaking, period.
posted by LoonyLovegood at 11:27 PM on June 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
For me, I go to a “cine classe”. A small group of us watch a film - ideally one subtitled in French (now available for most French language content on Netflix by the way). Then our teacher moderates some follow up sessions where we talk about what we’ve seen. There is nothing like having to talk about a film to test out whether we understood it - and are able to describe what we feel about it. It is also culturally interesting and great for teaching unusual vocabulary (as of this week I know the French for “combine harvester”). Suggest you look for such a group or help establish one.
posted by rongorongo at 1:48 AM on June 8, 2018
posted by rongorongo at 1:48 AM on June 8, 2018
French for reading is a worthwhile book as well. It’s made for grad students studying for a proficiency exam. I like the way the answers are on the other side of the page, so you just cover them up until you are ready to check them.
posted by umbú at 5:44 AM on June 8, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by umbú at 5:44 AM on June 8, 2018 [1 favorite]
Response by poster: Rock’em: I didn’t ‘fail’ the test last time. I passed it at level 2 proficiency and can apply for jobs which require that. I want jobs at level III though because they are less competitive (since fewer people have that proficiency level). I remember that last time, I didn’t feel like they had caught me on my best day. I had not found the writing section very difficult, but knew the conversation part wasn’t my best.
posted by ficbot at 11:35 AM on June 8, 2018
posted by ficbot at 11:35 AM on June 8, 2018
Hi! I teach English to non-native speakers and from my many years of experience I can tell you that the one thing guaranteed to get you over the intermediate hump is living in a French-speaking country and speaking only French for as long as possible. There are exchange programs for adults out there, which would place you with a French family and enroll you in an intensive course. I only know about the English ones, but I'm sure you can find something if you Google.
If you have the money and the vacation time ( I think minimum 2 weeks), this is by far the best option. Lessons with a native speaker will help you, but you will progress much slower. If you really want to improve your French quickly, what you need is full immersion.
posted by lollymccatburglar at 12:15 AM on June 10, 2018
If you have the money and the vacation time ( I think minimum 2 weeks), this is by far the best option. Lessons with a native speaker will help you, but you will progress much slower. If you really want to improve your French quickly, what you need is full immersion.
posted by lollymccatburglar at 12:15 AM on June 10, 2018
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