What is the physically smallest and cheapest laptop capable of running OS X?
December 25, 2006 3:59 PM Subscribe
What is the physically smallest laptop capable of running OS X? I'm only interested in word processing and light web browsing, so I have no prejudice against old models -- in fact, I'd prefer an older model if it's cheaper.
A friend of mine has an extremely small Powerbook G4 -- the computer is more or less exactly the size of the screen, which is the smallest I've ever seen on a mac laptop, but I'm curious to know if I can go even smaller or cheaper. I would get a Macbook Pro, but they appear to be 15" at minimum, and I'm not interested in owning a second full-power computer in addition to my desktop -- I only want something very simple for writing, so I'd actually rather have a laptop with limited capabilities.
A friend of mine has an extremely small Powerbook G4 -- the computer is more or less exactly the size of the screen, which is the smallest I've ever seen on a mac laptop, but I'm curious to know if I can go even smaller or cheaper. I would get a Macbook Pro, but they appear to be 15" at minimum, and I'm not interested in owning a second full-power computer in addition to my desktop -- I only want something very simple for writing, so I'd actually rather have a laptop with limited capabilities.
Yup. Unless you're interested in some sort of hacky workaround with one of those 10" Toshiba laptops, you're looking at a 12" Powerbook like your friend's.
posted by rossination at 4:04 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by rossination at 4:04 PM on December 25, 2006
Best answer: The 12" 867mhz Powerbook.
There are models up to 1.5mhz. Keep in mind that the slower model(s) may not be able to run Leopard.
Everymac reports the prices being as low as $700. Add a little ram (get it up to 1gb).
posted by filmgeek at 4:04 PM on December 25, 2006
There are models up to 1.5mhz. Keep in mind that the slower model(s) may not be able to run Leopard.
Everymac reports the prices being as low as $700. Add a little ram (get it up to 1gb).
posted by filmgeek at 4:04 PM on December 25, 2006
Response by poster: Hm, that's not bad at all! Though this Toshiba hack... tell me more!
If anyone has recommendations for ultra-small PCs as well, I'd love to hear them -- I used to adore my Toshiba Portege 3110CT so much that I bought another one the first fell apart -- unfortunately, the second was so old that it fell apart as well, so I've had to give up that particular model, unfortunately.
posted by tweebiscuit at 4:06 PM on December 25, 2006
If anyone has recommendations for ultra-small PCs as well, I'd love to hear them -- I used to adore my Toshiba Portege 3110CT so much that I bought another one the first fell apart -- unfortunately, the second was so old that it fell apart as well, so I've had to give up that particular model, unfortunately.
posted by tweebiscuit at 4:06 PM on December 25, 2006
Apple rumors are worth approximately nothing, but there's one going around that a ultra-slim 12" MacBook Pro is going to be announced at MacWorld Expo some time in the second week of January; might be worth holding on until then to see if there's any truth to it. There's certainly a 12" sized hole in the line-up at the moment.
posted by simonw at 4:08 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by simonw at 4:08 PM on December 25, 2006
(re: my "Toshiba hack". I am way out my league here, but I hear rumors of folks being able to run OS X on non-Apple laptops. I imagine that it's quite difficult, and prone to all kinds of buggy problems, but I think that it's been done.)
posted by rossination at 4:11 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by rossination at 4:11 PM on December 25, 2006
Response by poster: Ahh, gotcha ross.
simonw -- ooh, crap, now I'm drooling. Gotta say I would love to be able to run Boot Camp... on the other hand, it might not be that great as a writing only device -- rats, I'm torn. Thanks!
posted by tweebiscuit at 4:15 PM on December 25, 2006
simonw -- ooh, crap, now I'm drooling. Gotta say I would love to be able to run Boot Camp... on the other hand, it might not be that great as a writing only device -- rats, I'm torn. Thanks!
posted by tweebiscuit at 4:15 PM on December 25, 2006
I hear rumors of folks being able to run OS X on non-Apple laptops
I have successfully run Tiger 10.4.7 on a Thinkpad T42. Everything except the wifi card worked flawlessly. It requires hardware that's reasonably similar to an x86 Mac, a image of the install disc that has had certain portions of the OSX kernel replaced with more generic versions from OpenDarwin (these discs are available via your choice ofbittorrent search), and a good understanding of the idiosyncrasies of multi-booting on PC hardware (I was using GRUB, to triple-boot XP, Ubuntu Edgy and OSX). VMWare was not involved.
Because Apple does not license OSX for non-Apple hardware, installing it is certainly a breech of the licensing agreement (even if you owned a legit copy of OS X for x86).
The folks at the OSX86Project wiki, have got lots more information on the subject.
posted by toxic at 5:06 PM on December 25, 2006
I have successfully run Tiger 10.4.7 on a Thinkpad T42. Everything except the wifi card worked flawlessly. It requires hardware that's reasonably similar to an x86 Mac, a image of the install disc that has had certain portions of the OSX kernel replaced with more generic versions from OpenDarwin (these discs are available via your choice ofbittorrent search), and a good understanding of the idiosyncrasies of multi-booting on PC hardware (I was using GRUB, to triple-boot XP, Ubuntu Edgy and OSX). VMWare was not involved.
Because Apple does not license OSX for non-Apple hardware, installing it is certainly a breech of the licensing agreement (even if you owned a legit copy of OS X for x86).
The folks at the OSX86Project wiki, have got lots more information on the subject.
posted by toxic at 5:06 PM on December 25, 2006
One warning about the 867MHz model: It doesn't have USB 2.0. If you ever want to hook up an iPod or any type of external drive, you should get the 1GHz model or above.
The later models are also much more likely to have an AirPort card included, which can be expensive to buy separately.
posted by cillit bang at 5:09 PM on December 25, 2006
The later models are also much more likely to have an AirPort card included, which can be expensive to buy separately.
posted by cillit bang at 5:09 PM on December 25, 2006
Just something to keep in mind - the 12" powerbooks run extremely hot. I had one for a short period of time, and the wrist rest put out and uncomfortable amount of heat.
posted by Caviar at 5:59 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by Caviar at 5:59 PM on December 25, 2006
I own a 12" Powerbook (1.5 GHz, last of the line) and love it to death. It's no Sony UX, but it's small. And it runs OS X beautifully--I don't know what the heat issues Caviar refers to stem from, but mine only gets hot in the hinge area (nearest the screen) and only when doing intense CPU activity.
Highly recommend one. They're gorgeous. I want a Macbook Pro so badly, but I can't bear to part with my 12" for the added weight/size!
posted by dmaterialized at 6:16 PM on December 25, 2006
Highly recommend one. They're gorgeous. I want a Macbook Pro so badly, but I can't bear to part with my 12" for the added weight/size!
posted by dmaterialized at 6:16 PM on December 25, 2006
Response by poster: Thanks for the tips, guys! An extra best answer to b1tr0t for the G3 tip, but thanks to everyone for the additional tips about the 12" G4. Now to just sort out my options -- hold out for an intel 12" MB Pro, get the $200 G3, or the $1000 12" G4? Decisions, decisions!
posted by tweebiscuit at 6:49 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by tweebiscuit at 6:49 PM on December 25, 2006
i have a 12" powerbook too. it does get hot, but for me, only after about 20 mins of hard work, and only on the bottom- so it really doesn't cause me any probs. i just put a cushion or magazine on my lap if i'm making it work hard or watching a DVD. i lurve my computer, and it's running OSX with no problem.
one thing: i've noticed that the powerbook airport card is kinda weak- mine only gets a full signal if it's in the same room as the wireless router. down the hall, it usually works, but slooowly.
posted by twistofrhyme at 7:08 PM on December 25, 2006
one thing: i've noticed that the powerbook airport card is kinda weak- mine only gets a full signal if it's in the same room as the wireless router. down the hall, it usually works, but slooowly.
posted by twistofrhyme at 7:08 PM on December 25, 2006
Another bit of love for the 12" model. I loved mine too, but eventually had to upgrade to an MBP for the larger screen. Once it became my main work machine, I couldn't deal with the tiny screen anymore. It's taken getting used to the larger form factor and I still don't like it better, but the functionality can't be beat.
posted by heresiarch at 7:39 PM on December 25, 2006
posted by heresiarch at 7:39 PM on December 25, 2006
Apple rumors are worth approximately nothing, but there's one going around that a ultra-slim 12" MacBook Pro is going to be announced at MacWorld Expo some time in the second week of January; might be worth holding on until then to see if there's any truth to it. There's certainly a 12" sized hole in the line-up at the moment.
Normally, I don't cotton to rumors as they are all 99.9999% bullshit, and this may not strictly answer the question, but someone I know at work has a years-long and close relationship with a few senior product managers at Apple. Recently (within four months) he privately warned a small group of us who support high-end Apple-using scientists to avoid purchasing MacBooks, if our clients request a portable model smaller than 15". For whatever that's worth.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:46 PM on December 25, 2006
Normally, I don't cotton to rumors as they are all 99.9999% bullshit, and this may not strictly answer the question, but someone I know at work has a years-long and close relationship with a few senior product managers at Apple. Recently (within four months) he privately warned a small group of us who support high-end Apple-using scientists to avoid purchasing MacBooks, if our clients request a portable model smaller than 15". For whatever that's worth.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:46 PM on December 25, 2006
Love my 12" too. I tested a big-assed 17" MBP that got so hot it burned my lap last year. I never again complained about the somewhat warm and noisy-fanned silver best friend on my lap.
I am holding out for the 12" MBP, limping my G4 12" well past its expiration date in terms of my need for speed, and even though work would buy the big MBP for me tomorrow. That's how much I love the 12" form factor.
Also, I should mention my 12" MB has fallen HARD three times, is dented on two corners so the battery doesn't fit in right, has a bent bezel, and keeps right on ticking?
posted by spitbull at 8:26 PM on December 25, 2006
I am holding out for the 12" MBP, limping my G4 12" well past its expiration date in terms of my need for speed, and even though work would buy the big MBP for me tomorrow. That's how much I love the 12" form factor.
Also, I should mention my 12" MB has fallen HARD three times, is dented on two corners so the battery doesn't fit in right, has a bent bezel, and keeps right on ticking?
posted by spitbull at 8:26 PM on December 25, 2006
I doubt the G3 iBooks will change in value much over the next five years.
Five years? They will be paperweights in five years, worth at best $20 for parts. Just sayin'. They're already 4 years obsolete.
posted by spitbull at 6:17 AM on December 26, 2006
Five years? They will be paperweights in five years, worth at best $20 for parts. Just sayin'. They're already 4 years obsolete.
posted by spitbull at 6:17 AM on December 26, 2006
Running Mac OS X 10.4.7 on a 500Mhz G3 iBook at my house and it works. It doens't work for very much good media playback, but for email, web browsing, etc. works fine.
posted by smallerdemon at 6:44 PM on December 26, 2006
posted by smallerdemon at 6:44 PM on December 26, 2006
I recently parted ways with my 12" iBook G4 and I regret selling it. It was the best investment that I ever made, it had great battery life, it was durable, and the built-in Wi-Fi was awesome. But since I left my IT position I had no need for a laptop. Boy do I miss it. You can snag a used one with the last (July 2005)hardware revision for around $600. Sure, they're "obsolete" now, but you're not going to find the stability and build quality in the new MacBook line. You can get a new one from MacMall here.
posted by ganzhimself at 12:44 PM on December 27, 2006
posted by ganzhimself at 12:44 PM on December 27, 2006
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posted by robcorr at 4:01 PM on December 25, 2006