Alternative history literature
December 14, 2005 7:43 AM Subscribe
Help me find alternative history books
Anything will do. Time-traveling type of stuff would be neat. Let me know what's good.
Anything will do. Time-traveling type of stuff would be neat. Let me know what's good.
There's a book (by, I think, historians) called "What If" that's full of stories of alternate histories.
posted by CunningLinguist at 7:51 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by CunningLinguist at 7:51 AM on December 14, 2005
Harry Turtledove is the 500 lb gorrila of the alternate history market. He's a good place to start, even though his latter stuff is getting very, very repetetive (There will always be a character who says "I wish I could say that you were wrong, but I can't." or thereabouts in every book) and sometimes downright creepy (Sex scenes. Even worse when you imagine a guy looking like HT writing said scenes.)
The What If? series edited by Robert Cowley is good, but is not true fiction. It's a bunch of historians imagining the what ifs of various events.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:52 AM on December 14, 2005
The What If? series edited by Robert Cowley is good, but is not true fiction. It's a bunch of historians imagining the what ifs of various events.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:52 AM on December 14, 2005
Somebody always beats me to posting that Dick novel whenever it comes up. So yeah. It's excellent, although you should be warned: while it's an alternate history on the surface, I don't think that's really the point of the novel.
For more unusual alternative history stuff: the short stories of Avram Davidson frequently trade in this sort of thing on a weird, gnarly, literate level. There's a collection called "The Other Nineteenth Century" that's mostly this sort of thing. History explored, expanded and distorted, sometimes through the lense of possibility and sometimes through fantasy.
posted by selfnoise at 7:53 AM on December 14, 2005
For more unusual alternative history stuff: the short stories of Avram Davidson frequently trade in this sort of thing on a weird, gnarly, literate level. There's a collection called "The Other Nineteenth Century" that's mostly this sort of thing. History explored, expanded and distorted, sometimes through the lense of possibility and sometimes through fantasy.
posted by selfnoise at 7:53 AM on December 14, 2005
This is going to be a really wide variety, but hopefully something will grab you:
Handmaid's Tale: the 1980s if religious conservatives were in charge of everything in the United States, told from the perspective of a Handmaid, a woman whose role in life is to bear children for other couples.
Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next novels: not just messing with time, but also fiction. British, word play involved, fun. Starts with The Eyre Affair.
and to quote scazza on another thread, The Land of Rice and Salt! "How might human history be different if 14th-century Europe was utterly wiped out by plague, and Islamic and Buddhist societies emerged as the world's dominant religious and political forces?"
posted by whatzit at 7:56 AM on December 14, 2005
Handmaid's Tale: the 1980s if religious conservatives were in charge of everything in the United States, told from the perspective of a Handmaid, a woman whose role in life is to bear children for other couples.
Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next novels: not just messing with time, but also fiction. British, word play involved, fun. Starts with The Eyre Affair.
and to quote scazza on another thread, The Land of Rice and Salt! "How might human history be different if 14th-century Europe was utterly wiped out by plague, and Islamic and Buddhist societies emerged as the world's dominant religious and political forces?"
posted by whatzit at 7:56 AM on December 14, 2005
Oh, and there's also Harris' Fatherland.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:59 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:59 AM on December 14, 2005
Also, The Plot Against America by Phillip Roth featuring President Charles Lindberg and his NAZI sympathies, isolationist policies.
Honestly, I thought it fell apart in the end a bit, but still a worthwhile read.
posted by TheLibrarian at 8:02 AM on December 14, 2005
Honestly, I thought it fell apart in the end a bit, but still a worthwhile read.
posted by TheLibrarian at 8:02 AM on December 14, 2005
The Land of Rice and Salt!
This should be The Years of Rice and Salt. I also really enjoyed it, though it is pretty dense.
posted by advil at 8:09 AM on December 14, 2005
This should be The Years of Rice and Salt. I also really enjoyed it, though it is pretty dense.
posted by advil at 8:09 AM on December 14, 2005
Harrison's The Hammer and the Cross series is good.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 8:16 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by Kirth Gerson at 8:16 AM on December 14, 2005
Orson Scott Card's "Alvin Maker" series is a fairly entertaining alternate-universe-america kinda tale. If you like Orson Scott Card, that is.
posted by antifuse at 8:18 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by antifuse at 8:18 AM on December 14, 2005
Kazuo Ishiguro's excellent Never Let Me Go is set in an alternative 1990's England.
posted by nicwolff at 8:23 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by nicwolff at 8:23 AM on December 14, 2005
Eventually, someone will recommend The Difference Engine. Ignore them.
Radio 4 used to do a series where historians were asked to extrapolate from a single change... some archived episodes.
posted by Leon at 8:33 AM on December 14, 2005
Radio 4 used to do a series where historians were asked to extrapolate from a single change... some archived episodes.
posted by Leon at 8:33 AM on December 14, 2005
Here's the first in a series by S.M. Stirling: Island in the Sea of Time
Actually S.M. Stirling does mostly time travel / alt-history stuff.
posted by voidcontext at 8:37 AM on December 14, 2005
Actually S.M. Stirling does mostly time travel / alt-history stuff.
posted by voidcontext at 8:37 AM on December 14, 2005
The still-unfinished "Merchant Princes" series by Charles Stross (starting with The Family Trade) involves travel and trade between our world and one with an alternate history.
Also, here are items tagged with "alternate history" on Amazon. (Although I think only 50 percent of users can see the tagging feature right now.)
posted by mbrubeck at 8:49 AM on December 14, 2005
Also, here are items tagged with "alternate history" on Amazon. (Although I think only 50 percent of users can see the tagging feature right now.)
posted by mbrubeck at 8:49 AM on December 14, 2005
Eventually, someone will recommend The Difference Engine. Ignore them.
Hear hear! What a painful book.
posted by antifuse at 8:55 AM on December 14, 2005
Hear hear! What a painful book.
posted by antifuse at 8:55 AM on December 14, 2005
The Lord Darcy books (collected in this single volume) are great fun. Richard the Lion-Hearted did not perish to crossbow bolt, and the principal enemy is Poland. But much more importantly, in the intervening centuries (this is set in the 1960s or so) the laws of magic have been worked out. Lord Darcy is a Sherlock Holmes type.
posted by Aknaton at 8:57 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by Aknaton at 8:57 AM on December 14, 2005
Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove is one of my favorites. I remember liking The Proteus Operation when I read it. James P. Hogan, who wrote the latter, unfortunately has gone off the deep end advocating Velikovsky's solar system pinball and Duesberg's "AIDS is caused by drugs not HIV" theories, in case you take the authors views into consideration before buying their books.
posted by beowulf573 at 9:21 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by beowulf573 at 9:21 AM on December 14, 2005
Response by poster: Thanks everyone, great starting points here.
posted by dead_ at 9:27 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by dead_ at 9:27 AM on December 14, 2005
The still-unfinished "Merchant Princes" series by Charles Stross
Side question: if I couldn't get into The Atrocity Archive, will I like these? I want to give Stross another shot.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:40 AM on December 14, 2005
Side question: if I couldn't get into The Atrocity Archive, will I like these? I want to give Stross another shot.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:40 AM on December 14, 2005
Harry Harrison's A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah! Mid-twentieth century British Empire if there'd never been an American Revolution.
BTW I've never considered The Handmaid's Tale like whatzit does. It's near-future from whenever you're reading it; I noticed nothing placing the novel in the 1980s.
posted by Rash at 9:47 AM on December 14, 2005
BTW I've never considered The Handmaid's Tale like whatzit does. It's near-future from whenever you're reading it; I noticed nothing placing the novel in the 1980s.
posted by Rash at 9:47 AM on December 14, 2005
advil: thanks for the title correction on Years of Rice and Salt. I loved the book, but am awful at remember titles/authors. No wonder I was having trouble with the Amazon search!
Rash: that's really interesting the different readings we got of the Handmaid's Tale. Throughout the book I was trying to absorb time/place based on Atwood's descriptions of the recent past, and that was about the era I concluded it was in, based on how long the new society had been in place and what the styles had been before it came to be universal.
posted by whatzit at 10:11 AM on December 14, 2005
Rash: that's really interesting the different readings we got of the Handmaid's Tale. Throughout the book I was trying to absorb time/place based on Atwood's descriptions of the recent past, and that was about the era I concluded it was in, based on how long the new society had been in place and what the styles had been before it came to be universal.
posted by whatzit at 10:11 AM on December 14, 2005
Check out Darwinia. It's alternate history with a sci-fi twist: "In 1912, the entire European continent and all of the United Kingdom mysteriously vanished during the Miracle, replaced by an alien landscape known as Darwinia. Darwinia seems to be a slice of another Earth, one that diverged from our own millions of years ago and took a separate evolutionary path."
posted by iamck at 10:56 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by iamck at 10:56 AM on December 14, 2005
Pick up The Best Alternate History Stories of the 20th Century edited by the aforementioned Mr. Turtledove. Featuring all the main players from the genre and consisting entirely of short stories, it gives you a broad taste of what's available and you'll be able to find authors you enjoy and move on from there.
posted by Captaintripps at 11:11 AM on December 14, 2005
posted by Captaintripps at 11:11 AM on December 14, 2005
It's not particularly serious, but I remember enjoying 1632. It's sort of similar to Island in the Sea of Time in that it deals with an entire community being moved back in time.
That said, I'd second Island in the Sea of Time and The Years of Rice and Salt.
posted by almostbarefoot at 11:33 AM on December 14, 2005
That said, I'd second Island in the Sea of Time and The Years of Rice and Salt.
posted by almostbarefoot at 11:33 AM on December 14, 2005
I enjoyed Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus (also by Orson Scott Card) pretty well. Basically, time travellers from the future try to correct the biggest injustice in human history.
posted by designbot at 12:03 PM on December 14, 2005
posted by designbot at 12:03 PM on December 14, 2005
PinkStainlessTail: I haven't read The Atrocity Archive. Of the other Stross books I've read, I liked Singularity Sky and Iron Sunrise, and didn't like Accellerando. The "Merchant Princes" books are different in content from his hard sci-fi, but similar in style. If it's Stross's writing style that bothers you, these probably aren't much different from his other work.
posted by mbrubeck at 3:58 PM on December 14, 2005
posted by mbrubeck at 3:58 PM on December 14, 2005
I absolutely adored "The Peshawar Lancers" a book where the northern hemisphere is hit by a comet in the mid 18th century and the remnants of the British Empire that fled to India and the last vestiges of Western cvilization.
posted by Megafly at 5:13 PM on December 14, 2005
posted by Megafly at 5:13 PM on December 14, 2005
Two classic alternate-history novels that no one seems to have mentioned yet are Keith Roberts, Pavane, in which the Spanish Armada conquers England, and Kingsley Amis, The Alteration, in which the Reformation never takes place.
There are also several enjoyable essay-collections exploring counterfactual history in a more serious way: e.g. Andrew Roberts (ed.), What Might Have Been, Niall Ferguson (ed.), Virtual History, and Robert Cowley (ed.), What If? For a good introduction to the way that historians can use counterfactual examples, see this essay by Martin Bunzl, Counterfactual History: A User's Guide.
Finally, you might be interested in this Alternate History website, which has a good bibliography of alternate-history novels, and links to other articles on alternate-history topics.
posted by verstegan at 5:26 AM on December 15, 2005
There are also several enjoyable essay-collections exploring counterfactual history in a more serious way: e.g. Andrew Roberts (ed.), What Might Have Been, Niall Ferguson (ed.), Virtual History, and Robert Cowley (ed.), What If? For a good introduction to the way that historians can use counterfactual examples, see this essay by Martin Bunzl, Counterfactual History: A User's Guide.
Finally, you might be interested in this Alternate History website, which has a good bibliography of alternate-history novels, and links to other articles on alternate-history topics.
posted by verstegan at 5:26 AM on December 15, 2005
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posted by rabbitsnake at 7:49 AM on December 14, 2005