At the same time, being told I have to give up my constitutional right to a jury trial raises my red flags.IANAL but last I checked, you had a right to a trial by peers if you were convited of a crime, not if you wanted to sue your employer in your state:
How is this legal? Is this something the Republican Congress of the last 15 years wrote into law at midnight during a national crisis? With so many workers having no choice in the matter - especially during a recession - how can it be legal to allow a corporation to effectively negate a person's protection under the laws of our country?Sorry, what law do you think was written that brought this about? I'm quite far from Republican (little r or big R) but really, the government isn't forcing you to do anything. Neither is the company. They're merely changing the terms of your employment. Nothing says you need to work there. What if they came in and said "everyone here is getting a 20% pay cut and C level positions are getting 50% bonuses effective next quarter"? Would you expect some law to prevent that from happening? Really, work there or walk. If enough people walk, the company folds. That's how a free market works. What kind of personal protection do you want? A golden certificate that says "bearer is hereby entitled to job of chosing regardless of qualifications at a salary to be determined by the bearer"?
And as my link says, if you bothered to read all of it, the 7th Amendment only applies to federal cases. As I said, if you want to sue your employer in your state and not federal court, it does not apply. Your state's constitution and laws will determine if you have this right. If you want the text from the link that you're encouraging me to read, here it is for you:IANAL but last I checked, you had a right to a trial by peers if you were convited of a crime, not if you wanted to sue your employer in your stateYou should read your own link. As it points out, many civil suits (particularly those that seek money damages) are guaranteed the right to a jury trial by the 7th Amendment. Also, the 6th Amendment grants the right to jury trial to those accused of a crime, not, as you said, convicted of one.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Seventh Amendment right to a jury trial applies only to federal courts, not to state courts.Should the OP want to sue for discrimination, the OP would, literally, have to make a federal case out of it before the OP could even start babbling about "constitutional rights" being signed away. To claim a constitutional right to a jury as a blanket statement is incorrect.
It's not quite so simple, Brian Puccio. They're not proposing salary adjustments across the board - they're proposing that they not be held responsible for discriminatory practices.I think if they were, they'd be saying things like by choosing to work here after July 1, 2009, you hereby forfeit any right to file any complaints with any government entity, watchdog groups or bring an action against us in a court of law or seek other means of dispute resolution. Instead, they're simply saying go to arb if you think we've wronged you, we've got our own reasons for this and we're not going to get into it, take it or leave it. A far cry from your absurd suggestion that they not be held accountable.
To adapt your analogy, it's like they came in and said, "All the black people are getting a 20% pay cut and heterosexual white males are getting 50% bonuses effective next quarter."Um, no, they're applying this same standard to all employees. Not just some, all. If a policy applies to everyone that sounds pretty equal to me. Nice straw man.
Work there or walk? Uh uh.If this place is as bad as you make it out to be (thinking that the company and its owners and C level employees are free to discriminate at will and publicly) then I'm sure that no one will be working there shortly and that no one would buy this company's products again. They should be heading to bankruptcy any second with policies such as the one you've outlined above.
And, yes, there are laws against doing that, but without the ability to sue the only recourse would be to convince a prosecutor to go after them in criminal court.Of course there's laws against your straw man argument, since implementing new policies, such as raises, based on race is clearly illegal, not to mention would earn some really bad PR. But, as I read it, requiring an employee to agree as a condition of employment to ADR is not illegal:
And while you might get a prosecutor to involve herself in the above extreme example, smaller scale instances of gender discrimination, sexual harassment, and more subtle forms of racial prejudice would all be virtually unprosecutable and therefore become more and more prevalent as those with power adjust to the idea that there are no consequences for abusing it.Sure there are consequences, just not through the courts, through ADR. You seem to think that going to ADR means there is no discovery, that there isn't a Supreme Court case requiring a neutral arbitrator and that they're just going to side with the company.
Seems like a form of duress.gjc, not according to the information above, not it's not. An agreement signed under take-it-or-leave-it conditions is called an "adhesion contract" because the employee must either adhere to the offer or reject it. Although the term "adhesion contract" is often used as a pejorative, the vast bulk of all contracts are adhesion contracts, and they are nevertheless enforceable. In order for adhesion contracts to be unenforceable, there must be some provision in the contract that is so one-sided as to be unfair or oppressive.
If it helps:
Yes, I am in the USA.
I am not in a right-to-work state, but I'm not in the union since I'm a salaried employee. I'm not really sure how that affects me in this.
@BrianPuccio The Company is changing the terms of my employment in a down economy, during some of the worst quarters it's ever had, after a series of layoffs that's flooded my area with over-qualified workers and made good jobs like mine extremely hard to come by. The Company also hit us employees with this new ADR procedure as the Arbitration Fairness Act of 2009 sits in Congressional committee review, probably to get everyone to agree to the new ADR before the Act gets passed (the Act apparently has a lot of public support). I do not believe the timing is coincidental.
I have sent an e-mail (and BCC'd to myself at home) to my HR rep requesting clarification of the training material, and expressing in detail my concerns that the Company has adopted a dispute resolution system known to be rife with problems. I have NOT done the usual "click here to indicate that you have completed the training" step that comes at the end, and explained in my email that I'm still unclear about what some of the info presented actually means, so clicking seemed inappropriate.
I've also saved the training material off-site, for later review by counsel if need be.
Finally, I've requested to see certain things in writing--what steps are being taken by the Company to ensure that the mandatory binding arbitration is as genuinely objective and neutral as claimed in the training material, exactly what my rights are in a mandatory arbitration dispute, that sort of thing. I'm pushing back gently--explaining that I have every confidence that a company with a stellar record of leadership in employee relations must surely have taken steps to address the well-established problems with mandatory binding arbitration, that sort of thing. (And that's no b.s., the Company really is a known leader for this sort of thing. Which makes the mandatory arbitration all the more shocking to me).
I really hope that asking these questions doesn't cost me my job. But I just can't imagine working for a company that insists that I agree to give up the right to go to court if I've discriminated against by them. :-(
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posted by ishotjr at 9:45 AM on June 18