How did the 18th century French aristocracy regard the poor?
December 29, 2014 2:17 PM Subscribe
The popular perception of Versailles and the 18th century French aristocracy holds that they showed a casual disregard for the the struggles of the poor. This surely has truth to it, but the famous "let them eat cake" anecdote quite likely never happened – so can you point me to any other evidence (letters, anecdotes, trial proceedings, etc) of how the French ruling class actually regarded the poor?
One of the most profound and impactful concepts that informed the class system is The Great Chain of Being.
The basic idea is that each thing on the earth was born exactly where God wanted it to be. To aspire above your station was seen to be heretical. This served the class system very well. So those born into royalty or high classes assumed their rank to be God-given. Those born in poverty were seen to be less favored by God, deserving of their lower status.
The aristocracy were responsible for the lower classes and were charged with providing for them.
This is why the Industrial Revolution was so disruptive, it allowed people to work hard and improve their class. In an agrarian society this really wasn't possible.
And this friends is what my English degree with a concentration in Victorian Literature is good for.
Some modern Christians still subscribe to this theory. They believe that they are favored by God and that's why they have wealth and power and prosperity. They blame the poor and lower classes for their situation, and the assumption is that God wants them to be there. The weird thing is that they DON'T have the responsibility to provide for the poor, in fact, they believe that they are robbing the poor of God's potential favor by providing charity to them.
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 6:31 AM on December 30, 2014 [1 favorite]
The basic idea is that each thing on the earth was born exactly where God wanted it to be. To aspire above your station was seen to be heretical. This served the class system very well. So those born into royalty or high classes assumed their rank to be God-given. Those born in poverty were seen to be less favored by God, deserving of their lower status.
The aristocracy were responsible for the lower classes and were charged with providing for them.
This is why the Industrial Revolution was so disruptive, it allowed people to work hard and improve their class. In an agrarian society this really wasn't possible.
And this friends is what my English degree with a concentration in Victorian Literature is good for.
Some modern Christians still subscribe to this theory. They believe that they are favored by God and that's why they have wealth and power and prosperity. They blame the poor and lower classes for their situation, and the assumption is that God wants them to be there. The weird thing is that they DON'T have the responsibility to provide for the poor, in fact, they believe that they are robbing the poor of God's potential favor by providing charity to them.
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 6:31 AM on December 30, 2014 [1 favorite]
This isn't really a direct answer to your question, but there's a great, ongoing podcast called Revolutions, which has covered the English Civil War and the American Revolution and is now in the midst of covering the French Revolution.
One thing that's struck me about it is how little the events of the revolution were driven by the poor. It largely started as a tax revolt by wealthy landowners who wanted to limit the power of the king to tax, and wanted to reform an unbearably convoluted system of internal tariffs and local governments. By the time the mob got heavily involved, it was after years of the newly wealthy middle class, nobles and clergy going after each other tooth and nail , while the king was essentially held hostage, until the government was completely non-functioning.
I'd wager that the aristocracy didn't really consider the poor at all until it was too late.
If you want a detailed examination of the topic, I think the book you want is this one.
A bit of trivia: Most people in France didn't speak French until the 20th century. In the 18th century, it was something like 12%.
posted by empath at 7:21 AM on December 30, 2014 [1 favorite]
One thing that's struck me about it is how little the events of the revolution were driven by the poor. It largely started as a tax revolt by wealthy landowners who wanted to limit the power of the king to tax, and wanted to reform an unbearably convoluted system of internal tariffs and local governments. By the time the mob got heavily involved, it was after years of the newly wealthy middle class, nobles and clergy going after each other tooth and nail , while the king was essentially held hostage, until the government was completely non-functioning.
I'd wager that the aristocracy didn't really consider the poor at all until it was too late.
If you want a detailed examination of the topic, I think the book you want is this one.
A bit of trivia: Most people in France didn't speak French until the 20th century. In the 18th century, it was something like 12%.
posted by empath at 7:21 AM on December 30, 2014 [1 favorite]
empath: A bit of trivia: Most people in France didn't speak French until the 20th century. In the 18th century, it was something like 12%.On this aside: they spoke instead regional French languages like Walloon, Picard, Norman, various langues d'Oc, etc - most of which were highly differentiated French dialects or sister-languages.
They were probably unable to communicate in either direction with residents of l'Isle de Paris, so: different languages, but it's not like they spoke German and Spanish, instead.
posted by IAmBroom at 1:18 PM on December 30, 2014
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The "let them eat cake" thing was possibly in reference to Joseph Foullon de Doué, who was Louis XIV's Controller-General of Finances. Again, it was an unsubstantiated rumor, but he supposedly said, "If those rascals have no bread, let them eat hay." He attempted to escape when the trouble began, but he was caught and eventually beheaded, and his mouth was stuffed with hay before his head was attached to a pike.
posted by xyzzy at 2:46 PM on December 29, 2014 [4 favorites]