What's wrong with Granny?
February 19, 2007 3:19 PM Subscribe
My mom went to visit my 96 year old grandmother in the nursing home today and found her slumped over in the wheelchair, drooling, clammy and unresponsive. The nursing staff said this had happened before (we were not informed then). They didn't think she had stroke, only possibly that her blood pressure had dropped. However, it was within normal limits when they got her back into bed. She was able to say "no", when asked if she was in pain. The only medication she is on is aricept. Aside from her age, what would cause her to lose conciousness like this?
I know this doesn't address your question directly, but I'm concerned about what this incident and the one preceding it say about the care your grandmother is receiving in this facility. There seem to be some signs of major gaps in care and communication here that may be aggravating her health problems and potential vulnerabilities. A meeting with her physician may be able to give you a sense of how this might have been/should have been handled.
posted by foxy_hedgehog at 4:10 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by foxy_hedgehog at 4:10 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
I think only a doctor would be able to tell you why she lost consciousness, and would be able to make sure her medication is correct and appropriate.
Which is why I'd be worried about the fact that the staff didn't call a doctor the first time this happened. However old you are, loss of consciousness makes me think that something isn't right.
Contact her GP. And make sure that the staff inform you if anything like this happens again.
posted by finding.perdita at 4:29 PM on February 19, 2007
Which is why I'd be worried about the fact that the staff didn't call a doctor the first time this happened. However old you are, loss of consciousness makes me think that something isn't right.
Contact her GP. And make sure that the staff inform you if anything like this happens again.
posted by finding.perdita at 4:29 PM on February 19, 2007
your gran could be having transient ischemic attacks (TIAs). aricept would indicate she does have cognitive decline so is easily a contender.
medical review is appropriate and when you say nursing staff: you still have qualified nurses in your aged care facilities? ask... because you may be dealing with certified aged care attendants, and not qualified nurses.
posted by de at 4:45 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
medical review is appropriate and when you say nursing staff: you still have qualified nurses in your aged care facilities? ask... because you may be dealing with certified aged care attendants, and not qualified nurses.
posted by de at 4:45 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
Maybe she was tired. What makes you think she was not asleep?
posted by bkeene12 at 6:01 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by bkeene12 at 6:01 PM on February 19, 2007
I think you have two urgent concerns:
First, that this occurred and the staff seemed unconcerned. This sounds like neglect to me.
Second, it might be low blood sugar. My elderly mother has diabetes, and I've occasionally found her unresponsive, sweating/cool (clammy), as you describe. Has her primary care physician screened her for diabetes?
posted by luckyshirl at 6:22 PM on February 19, 2007
First, that this occurred and the staff seemed unconcerned. This sounds like neglect to me.
Second, it might be low blood sugar. My elderly mother has diabetes, and I've occasionally found her unresponsive, sweating/cool (clammy), as you describe. Has her primary care physician screened her for diabetes?
posted by luckyshirl at 6:22 PM on February 19, 2007
At her age, practically anything. She should see her doctor.
posted by gramcracker at 6:54 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by gramcracker at 6:54 PM on February 19, 2007
At her age, practically anything.
Seconded.
But frankly, when you say "clammy, drooling, and unresponsive" the differential isn't very forgiving as far as rapidly reversing issues. Normally if that were reported in an elderly person, any number of things, from stroke, heart attack, sepsis, seizure, drug toxicity, all come to mind.
I think the larger issue is whether the staff is acting appropriately. If your grandmother has given explicit wishes to be left to the whims of nature, then her comfort ought to be the primary concern of the staff. If she's a "Full Code" as they say, then it's a bit concerning.
It's worth a call to the NH Nurse Supervisor to see if there are real communication issues somewhere in the chain.
posted by docpops at 7:31 PM on February 19, 2007
Seconded.
But frankly, when you say "clammy, drooling, and unresponsive" the differential isn't very forgiving as far as rapidly reversing issues. Normally if that were reported in an elderly person, any number of things, from stroke, heart attack, sepsis, seizure, drug toxicity, all come to mind.
I think the larger issue is whether the staff is acting appropriately. If your grandmother has given explicit wishes to be left to the whims of nature, then her comfort ought to be the primary concern of the staff. If she's a "Full Code" as they say, then it's a bit concerning.
It's worth a call to the NH Nurse Supervisor to see if there are real communication issues somewhere in the chain.
posted by docpops at 7:31 PM on February 19, 2007
Ugh. I feel for you. I work a lot of EMT shifts where we do nothing but run back n' forth between nursing homes and hospitals all day. A lot of the people that work in these facilities are complete morons.
One would think that upon finding a drooling, unresponsive patient that they'd call 911, but sadly that is not the case.
Third the "see a doctor." It could be diabetes. It could be a whole list of other things.
posted by drstein at 10:08 PM on February 19, 2007
One would think that upon finding a drooling, unresponsive patient that they'd call 911, but sadly that is not the case.
Third the "see a doctor." It could be diabetes. It could be a whole list of other things.
posted by drstein at 10:08 PM on February 19, 2007
Oh yes, and make damn sure that she has an advance directive filled out properly and on file somewhere.
posted by drstein at 10:08 PM on February 19, 2007
posted by drstein at 10:08 PM on February 19, 2007
Low sodium. Dehydration. Urinary tract infection. High blood sugar. Low blood sugar. Pneumonia. A nap. Being given the wrong medication. Realizing that she lives in a nursing home where the staff don't care whether she's responsive or not, in other words, depression. These are the things I run through in my head if I get this call in the middle of the night. These are the most common things, in my experience. Ditto what everyone else says about the home.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 10:30 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 10:30 PM on February 19, 2007 [1 favorite]
I'm concerned, as well, that they didn't tell your family about the earlier episode. My grandfather is in a nursing home and they call for everything, including when they have to put a band aid on his hand for a hangnail.
In addition to speaking to her doctor, perhaps there is a case worker-type who you could speak with at the nursing home about communication with the family. Best of luck, I know it's hard.
posted by jdl at 7:47 AM on February 20, 2007
In addition to speaking to her doctor, perhaps there is a case worker-type who you could speak with at the nursing home about communication with the family. Best of luck, I know it's hard.
posted by jdl at 7:47 AM on February 20, 2007
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