Do you grok my eureka moment?
January 31, 2007 11:26 PM Subscribe
Is there a term for the phenomenon where one can be studying a subject for months, but not truly understand it until some barrier is suddenly crossed?
This seems to happen with so many subjects, that I'm sure someone has studied it and given it a name. I just can't find it.
Some examples of this phenomenon that I've encountered in my own life are higher math and foreign languages. For these things I always did well in class, but I never felt "fluent" until something clicked. I certainly wasn't perfect after this moment, but the subject became easier to grasp. But the strange thing is that this phenomenon also extends to things like happiness and work ethic; it's not purely academic.
A simplified version of this is the "eureka" moment in solving an ill-defined problem (e.g., making a wall-fixed light with a candle and box of tacks).
Is there a term for this?
Does anyone have other examples of this type of thing?
This seems to happen with so many subjects, that I'm sure someone has studied it and given it a name. I just can't find it.
Some examples of this phenomenon that I've encountered in my own life are higher math and foreign languages. For these things I always did well in class, but I never felt "fluent" until something clicked. I certainly wasn't perfect after this moment, but the subject became easier to grasp. But the strange thing is that this phenomenon also extends to things like happiness and work ethic; it's not purely academic.
A simplified version of this is the "eureka" moment in solving an ill-defined problem (e.g., making a wall-fixed light with a candle and box of tacks).
Is there a term for this?
Does anyone have other examples of this type of thing?
I'd just call it a breakthrough.
posted by booksandlibretti at 11:38 PM on January 31, 2007
posted by booksandlibretti at 11:38 PM on January 31, 2007
FWIW, "epiphany" seems in the right direction, but not quite it . . . there's also that "flow" thing that people have been talking a lot about lately.
And are you looking for a term for the phenomenon or the barrier/threshold? It seems to me there could be a word for one but not the other . . .
posted by treepour at 11:40 PM on January 31, 2007
And are you looking for a term for the phenomenon or the barrier/threshold? It seems to me there could be a word for one but not the other . . .
posted by treepour at 11:40 PM on January 31, 2007
'Epiphany' is it.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:41 PM on January 31, 2007
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:41 PM on January 31, 2007
I was thinking "epiphany" as well... but I don't think epiphany has exactly the connotation you require, since it seems to suggest "something from nowhere."
At times, I mis-use the phrase "pattern recognition" to describe this final hurdle over mental blocks. I believe that my brain has finally recognized an underlying pattern in how things work; mathematically, thematically, etc., it can now capitalize on this "paradigm shift" (as memo notes above) and start forging new ground. Up until the pattern has been identified, everything seems random and thus brute-force memorization was the only way to scrape by.
But I guess that may just be me making things up.
posted by krippledkonscious at 11:51 PM on January 31, 2007
At times, I mis-use the phrase "pattern recognition" to describe this final hurdle over mental blocks. I believe that my brain has finally recognized an underlying pattern in how things work; mathematically, thematically, etc., it can now capitalize on this "paradigm shift" (as memo notes above) and start forging new ground. Up until the pattern has been identified, everything seems random and thus brute-force memorization was the only way to scrape by.
But I guess that may just be me making things up.
posted by krippledkonscious at 11:51 PM on January 31, 2007
Response by poster: "Epiphany" is close, but I feel focuses too much on the event itself. Paradigm shift is similar.
I'm looking more for a way to describe the phenomenon itself, or how to describe a subject that needs an epiphany or paradigm shift in order to be done well.
(Apologies for the continued vagueness)
posted by FuManchu at 11:53 PM on January 31, 2007
I'm looking more for a way to describe the phenomenon itself, or how to describe a subject that needs an epiphany or paradigm shift in order to be done well.
(Apologies for the continued vagueness)
posted by FuManchu at 11:53 PM on January 31, 2007
In googling "moment of clarity" in order to see what the origin of the phrase was, I just found this article on "eureka moments" which has about fifty synonymous terms throughout the article.
But I still vote for "moment of clarity."
posted by occhiblu at 12:00 AM on February 1, 2007 [1 favorite]
But I still vote for "moment of clarity."
posted by occhiblu at 12:00 AM on February 1, 2007 [1 favorite]
(Though that article would seem to imply the academic term is the "aha effect.")
posted by occhiblu at 12:01 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by occhiblu at 12:01 AM on February 1, 2007
'Critical mass'? 'Crossing the threshold'? 'Ah-ha moment'? 'Fulfillment of necessary preconditions'? 'to grok'?
posted by zengargoyle at 12:07 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by zengargoyle at 12:07 AM on February 1, 2007
So you're looking for a term describing the whole process, rather than the specific breakthrough moment itself?
I've heard the term 'staircase' or 'staircase learning' being used to describe the phenomenon, because if you were to graph the learning progress, it might look a little like a staircase (though the stairs themselves would be inclined somewhat, you'd still see periodic near-vertical jumps). However I couldn't find much evidence for use of this with a quick googling.
posted by MetaMonkey at 12:12 AM on February 1, 2007
I've heard the term 'staircase' or 'staircase learning' being used to describe the phenomenon, because if you were to graph the learning progress, it might look a little like a staircase (though the stairs themselves would be inclined somewhat, you'd still see periodic near-vertical jumps). However I couldn't find much evidence for use of this with a quick googling.
posted by MetaMonkey at 12:12 AM on February 1, 2007
(where in the imaginary graph the x-axis is time and the y-axis is progression, to make that a little clearer)
posted by MetaMonkey at 12:15 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by MetaMonkey at 12:15 AM on February 1, 2007
Best answer: A better description: Gestalt
Gestalt theorists followed the basic principle that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, the whole (a picture, a car) carried a different and altogether greater meaning than its individual components (paint, canvas, brush; or tire, paint, metal, respectively). In viewing the "whole," a cognitive process takes place – the mind makes a leap from comprehending the parts to realizing the whole.
posted by Manjusri at 12:25 AM on February 1, 2007
Gestalt theorists followed the basic principle that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, the whole (a picture, a car) carried a different and altogether greater meaning than its individual components (paint, canvas, brush; or tire, paint, metal, respectively). In viewing the "whole," a cognitive process takes place – the mind makes a leap from comprehending the parts to realizing the whole.
posted by Manjusri at 12:25 AM on February 1, 2007
maybe this: conscious competence learning model.
'unconscious incompetence' -> 'conscious incompetence' -> 'conscious competence' -> 'unconscious competence'.
posted by zengargoyle at 12:49 AM on February 1, 2007
'unconscious incompetence' -> 'conscious incompetence' -> 'conscious competence' -> 'unconscious competence'.
posted by zengargoyle at 12:49 AM on February 1, 2007
Response by poster: Yes, MetaMonkey, I'd like to describe the entire learning process rather than the one moment. Where have you encountered the term "staircase learning" before?
"Gestalt" describes aspects of it well.
I think "Satori" may be the closest yet. I especially like this analogy given on Wikipedia: "As an analogy, we may think of a baby when it first walks. After much effort, it stands upright, finds its balance and walks a few steps (kensho), then falls. After continued effort the child will one day find that it is able to walk all the time (satori)."
posted by FuManchu at 12:54 AM on February 1, 2007
"Gestalt" describes aspects of it well.
I think "Satori" may be the closest yet. I especially like this analogy given on Wikipedia: "As an analogy, we may think of a baby when it first walks. After much effort, it stands upright, finds its balance and walks a few steps (kensho), then falls. After continued effort the child will one day find that it is able to walk all the time (satori)."
posted by FuManchu at 12:54 AM on February 1, 2007
Where have you encountered the term "staircase learning" before?
A friend mentioned it in the context of progression in martial arts, I think he got the term from his teacher. It instantly struck me as a very appropriate term, so I was a little disappointed when I couldn't find widespread use of it in googling. I had thought it such a universal phenomenon there was likely a popular term for it, but it seems otherwise! I'm hoping a cognitive scientist might pop in, since if anyones going to have a name for it, I'm guessing it'd be them.
posted by MetaMonkey at 1:22 AM on February 1, 2007
A friend mentioned it in the context of progression in martial arts, I think he got the term from his teacher. It instantly struck me as a very appropriate term, so I was a little disappointed when I couldn't find widespread use of it in googling. I had thought it such a universal phenomenon there was likely a popular term for it, but it seems otherwise! I'm hoping a cognitive scientist might pop in, since if anyones going to have a name for it, I'm guessing it'd be them.
posted by MetaMonkey at 1:22 AM on February 1, 2007
My wife calls this a "jam wall."
You walk into it and it surrounds you and you're sort of flailing about, pulling at this stretchy sticky thing, and suddenly something snaps and you're on the other side of it.
As far as I know, she coined it.
posted by gompa at 1:26 AM on February 1, 2007
You walk into it and it surrounds you and you're sort of flailing about, pulling at this stretchy sticky thing, and suddenly something snaps and you're on the other side of it.
As far as I know, she coined it.
posted by gompa at 1:26 AM on February 1, 2007
And as for examples, I found learning to cook kind of like this. I was slavishly following recipes, not really sure what I was doing, anxious all the time that I was missing a step or not stirring the right way. And in seemingly a week I suddenly understood why the recipes were making me do what I was doing in this or that order. And now I like to think I'm a pretty decent cook.
posted by gompa at 1:35 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by gompa at 1:35 AM on February 1, 2007
Obviously, if you study this for months you will suddenly come across the perfect term for this phenomena...
posted by yohko at 3:03 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by yohko at 3:03 AM on February 1, 2007
Sorry about my earlier comment, I should really have read the thread title.
posted by greycap at 3:38 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by greycap at 3:38 AM on February 1, 2007
All suggestions sound good. But howabout "Grayshed Moment" (= Gray Matter Threshold Moment).
Alternatively, take a look at http://www.verbotomy.com/. It's a site where the undefinable is defined by the community. Sort of like the old Sniglets (if anyone remembers that)
GB
posted by gb77 at 3:39 AM on February 1, 2007
Alternatively, take a look at http://www.verbotomy.com/. It's a site where the undefinable is defined by the community. Sort of like the old Sniglets (if anyone remembers that)
GB
posted by gb77 at 3:39 AM on February 1, 2007
Sorry.... Mistake:
Instead of "Grayshed Moment" = Gray Matter Threshold Moment, I meant *Gray Matter Watershed Moment*.
GB
posted by gb77 at 3:42 AM on February 1, 2007
Instead of "Grayshed Moment" = Gray Matter Threshold Moment, I meant *Gray Matter Watershed Moment*.
GB
posted by gb77 at 3:42 AM on February 1, 2007
I like this question. When I first read this the following came to mind:
colloquially, when I or most of my friends finally got something we say "it clicked".
the differences between the other suggestions is subtle and fascinating and I'm trying to piece what those subtle differences might be.
"eureka" - more for a search and find sense
"revelation" - more of a uncovering something new sense
"moment of clarity" - sounds more apropo for recovering alcoholics
"enlightenment" - more of a spiritual thing
"the zone" - more of an optimal flow state
From Wikipedia:
"Epiphany (feeling), a realization or comprehension of the essence or meaning of something", seems the closest
and Satori is a cool retooled word, though both seem to have roots that are perhaps more spiritual.
posted by mikshir at 6:46 AM on February 1, 2007
colloquially, when I or most of my friends finally got something we say "it clicked".
the differences between the other suggestions is subtle and fascinating and I'm trying to piece what those subtle differences might be.
"eureka" - more for a search and find sense
"revelation" - more of a uncovering something new sense
"moment of clarity" - sounds more apropo for recovering alcoholics
"enlightenment" - more of a spiritual thing
"the zone" - more of an optimal flow state
From Wikipedia:
"Epiphany (feeling), a realization or comprehension of the essence or meaning of something", seems the closest
and Satori is a cool retooled word, though both seem to have roots that are perhaps more spiritual.
posted by mikshir at 6:46 AM on February 1, 2007
I've heard "latent period" and "tacit learning" for learning things and not being able to incorporate them for some period until you get a sudden click.
posted by Jeanne at 7:50 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by Jeanne at 7:50 AM on February 1, 2007
gompa, I love that jam wall idea. Conjured up a very vivid image for me.
posted by Merlyn at 9:33 AM on February 1, 2007
posted by Merlyn at 9:33 AM on February 1, 2007
I had an experience like this once, in a logic class, where I had understood seemingly nothing all semester, and didn't even understand it when I went into the exam, but somehow, while taking the exam, it all came together and I was suddenly doing proofs that I had not had the foggiest idea how to do up to that point.
It was one of the weirdest intellectual experiences I have ever had.
I told my professor, and he said it was like a bird flying upward through clouds, where it doesn't seem like anything is changing, and suddenly the bird emerges above the clouds. (He said it more gracefully than that.)
posted by jayder at 9:58 AM on February 1, 2007
It was one of the weirdest intellectual experiences I have ever had.
I told my professor, and he said it was like a bird flying upward through clouds, where it doesn't seem like anything is changing, and suddenly the bird emerges above the clouds. (He said it more gracefully than that.)
posted by jayder at 9:58 AM on February 1, 2007
These are all English expressions (or expressions common here in England, at least):
Lightbulb Moment (imagine a cartoon lightbulb lighting up over head)
The Penny Dropping ('The penny finally dropped and now I understand it.')
Clicking ('It finally clicked and seems obvious now')
posted by dflock at 4:28 PM on February 1, 2007
Lightbulb Moment (imagine a cartoon lightbulb lighting up over head)
The Penny Dropping ('The penny finally dropped and now I understand it.')
Clicking ('It finally clicked and seems obvious now')
posted by dflock at 4:28 PM on February 1, 2007
Best answer: Threshold concepts
Two academics, Meyer and Land, have written several articles about this and there is a link to a report here. They describe it a threshold concept as "...akin to a portal, opening up a new and previously inaccessible way of thinking about something. It represents a transformed way of understanding, or interpreting, or viewing something without which the learner cannot progress."
posted by janecr at 3:30 PM on February 7, 2007
Two academics, Meyer and Land, have written several articles about this and there is a link to a report here. They describe it a threshold concept as "...akin to a portal, opening up a new and previously inaccessible way of thinking about something. It represents a transformed way of understanding, or interpreting, or viewing something without which the learner cannot progress."
posted by janecr at 3:30 PM on February 7, 2007
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