Summer camp during pandemic?
May 17, 2020 2:09 PM   Subscribe

I'm trying to figure out what I want to do about summer camp for Little eirias (7). Would you send your kid to a day camp during a pandemic? What would you be thinking about?

We had her signed up for two camps. Camp A has decided to cancel due to the pandemic and believing that they couldn't offer care safely. Camp B has decided to open on schedule once the school year ends. Both organizations are ones we have longstanding relationships with and we like the people very much, but I have more insight into how decision-making works at A and I know that the leadership are thinking about the same things I would, which leads me to trust their judgment a little bit more. Camp B has sent us a list of policies they're planning to enact to keep kids as safe as possible, and they make sense but I'm not sure there's a situation in which "many children from different households in an indoor space, talking" is COVID-safe.

We live in Dane County, Wisconsin. The COVID stats have been reasonably good/stable locally. However, we are supposed to be under a "safer at home" order right now, but it was ended last week by our state Supreme Court for political reasons, without consideration for public health. Ostensibly there's a similar local order lasting through the next ten days or so, but my confidence that this will survive legal challenge, or be extended if it needs to be, is not high. That's part of why this feels very tricky: I feel the weight of needing to judge my actions in context of what's best for the health of my community, because the state government I would normally look to has basically put up a VACANCY sign.

Both Mr. eirias and I have jobs outside the home and summer camp would solve a number of problems. It is possible that I may be able to work remotely indefinitely, but unlikely that he can. Supervising Little e while working has been okay, not great, while there have been two of us to take shifts and while she's had a full plate of schoolwork to do, but I envision summer being a bit harder. I am not excited about trying to hire a nanny, and we have no family who can step in. Realistically, I think it is either summer camp, or continued homeschool.

We most likely have some time before we have to put our money where our mouth is, as we were enrolled for Camp A in June and Camp B not til July. We are in a good position financially right now and can afford to take a loss if we say "yes, please save our spot" and then get cold feet at the last minute, which is what we are leaning toward: take the action that lets us delay a final decision as much as possible. But I'm very interested in how other MeFites are thinking about this for their families, as many of us around the United States are most likely facing the same dilemma.
posted by eirias to Education (18 answers total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
I just canceled summer enrollment for my 7-year-old at the school-based child care. They modified their plans (9:1 kid:adult ratio in self-contained groups of 10, no field trips) but said they might need to shift school locations in order to maintain distancing. Our situation is different because our kid has a high-risk medical condition, so we decided that the risk wasn’t worth it for us. Also, the COVID peak is projected for July in Minnesota, and they are easing up on the stay at home order now, and it didn’t make sense to increase our exposure risk even more during the peak.

I’m working from home full-time (my employer said to expect to continue doing so through the end of the year), and my husband is working from home about 70% of the time (future TBD). I think the only way we’re going to be able to keep our sanity is to continue some sort of homeschool structure - hopefully the school doesn’t lock us out of the online math and literacy computer apps.
posted by Maarika at 2:42 PM on May 17, 2020


Caveat that I don’t have kids, but I’m also in Wisconsin. The overturning of Safer at Home has spurred me to go even more on lockdown than usual (delivery groceries, drive thru pharmacy, nothing else outside the house). Both news and reports from friends/family indicate a huge portion of the population isn’t taking this seriously, public places are packed. There is no way I would go to a summer camp myself no matter what precautions are being taken, much less send a kid there whom I can’t trust to be as vigilant as me. Partially this is because I have underlying conditions and I am anxious. YMMV but I wouldn’t do this.

If you end up keeping her home while you work from home, one thing to try is see if someone can Zoom/Skype/whatever with her to chat, watch a cartoon, play a game, put on a fashion show, etc. with her. Just to keep her entertained and distracted while you’re busy. I don’t have kids but I work with them and often they’re thrilled to have someone to talk at for 3 hours. I’d be happy to do so occasionally, feel free to Me-mail me if you need a “virtual babysitter” (if that wouldn’t be weird).
posted by brook horse at 2:51 PM on May 17, 2020 [13 favorites]


Oh man, is hiring a nanny/college kid for the summer an option? That way, you are mitigating the risk and the nanny is in charge of FUN! while you get work done.
posted by heathrowga at 3:43 PM on May 17, 2020 [4 favorites]


I don't see how sending a child to camp, especially in an area where a lot of people are not abiding by any kind of safety protocols, could be made safer. Unless there is a major change in the next month (maybe testing will explode and every kid and counselor at the camp will get a COVID test!), I don't think that would be something I would be comfortable with.

On the other hand, my kid at home while I was trying to work without any support would be untenable. That kind of long unstructured time without any contact with people would be impossible. We tried it one vacation; it went very poorly.

I know you said you're not excited about a nanny, but some kind of babysitter might really be your best bet. If not a full time nanny, a teenager for half days, even, would free up a lot of your time, and you might be able to impose structure on the rest of the day. Or if there's another family who you know who has an adult who's stay at home parenting, they might be willing to "merge" households and make some extra money watching your child for part of the day.

I will say that one of the camps my son is signed up for is planning to hold virtual camp if they are closed this summer. I have no idea if it will work or be any good, but they're doing virtual classes right now (they're kind of a D&D themed science/adventure camp), so they're sorting out how to get it done. At least something like that would be some structure, interaction, and entertainment for your daughter.
posted by gideonfrog at 3:51 PM on May 17, 2020


Hi neighbor. This is extra confusing with our ridiculous state politics, isn’t it? We are cancelling camps, but we have a few advantages I knew many families do not. (The major one is I can work from home and my job is only part time). We are considering hiring a pt nanny (4-6 hrs a week) for help this summer because I think it could really help save my sanity and my kids need a break from me and our tiny house. We have a great babysitter who my kids really miss and if she’s willing, we’re hoping it may work for her to play with kids a few times a week. We know we are isolating, we trust she is more than we’d trust a new sitter, but we have to do some planning and talking to see if we can all feel comfortable with this plan.
I don’t know. That’s one way I’m thinking I can get through the next few months. And it’s a long shot! I talked to my youngest son’s preschool teacher the other day to see how she’s doing. I was surprised to hear how well the school has been handling safety and that she was actually doing ok. It made me glad for her and the kids that still have to go there - that are making it work and so far healthy. I’m still not sending my kids there this summer, but I know I’m fortunate to not have to.
posted by areaperson at 4:03 PM on May 17, 2020 [1 favorite]


Summer camp would likely be your family’s single biggest risk of exposure to sars-cov-2 for the whole season, if that helps you decide.
posted by SaltySalticid at 4:21 PM on May 17, 2020 [1 favorite]


I am a SM for ~50 scouts (and my son is 17). We have been talking a lot about what is and isn't responsible for Summer Camp this year for all of them. Our scouts are a bit older at 12-17 yrs old, so take that for what it's worth. In speaking with a LOT of the parents, there is less concern about summer camp than there was about sending the kids back to school. The thought is that it's much safer in the outdoors vs circulated air in a building. The camps we are looking at for the troop are all resident camps, where the med staff is a bit different than day camps though - they will be checking scouts temp regularly, and the nature of the programs are that there will be smaller groups at a time (10-12) vs any large classes. Any large grouping has been cancelled for camp. There is a belief that the kids have been separated from their friends for (at that point) 12-15 weeks if not more, and there's a mental toll that's happening for them. So I think we are looking at most of the younger scouts attending camp (the older ones generally don't anyways). We are in North NJ, one of the bigger hotspots.
posted by niteHawk at 4:56 PM on May 17, 2020 [2 favorites]


I'm a no on camps this summer. The two camps our kid is signed up for have sent emails, one with a survey trying to gauge how comfortable parents are with the idea of camp this summer, the other with an announcement that they can't use the site they originally were going to (because it's on a college campus that is effectively closed until fall or later) and are looking for another site. I am a giant no in both cases. It rains a lot here in the summer, camps move indoors all the time. It's not safe, and not necessary for me as we are working from home.
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:58 PM on May 17, 2020 [1 favorite]


I feel you, 2 kids here (7 & 9), trying to work and do school has been hard enough but thinking about a summer w/out school is in some ways even more daunting. like I just spent the better part of the day trying to research online options and have come up feeling like this is going to take a lot of time and effort and $$ to figure out. I signed them up for a week virtual camp in June that we'll try (not sharing b/c I have no idea if its any good really), but it's pricier than the day camps we would have done in the past and only part day. Crossing my fingers that I'll have a better sense of what to do about the rest of the summer in a couple weeks, while acknowledging that I may miss out and everything will be sold out by then. Ugh.

We also talked about the idea of having a baby sitter come in and decided to not pursue it atm. For us the decision was made due to a combination of risk concern + it's historically not gone well/been pretty disruptive for me to be at home trying to work while there's a babysitter, and well, it's not obvious there will be a good place for me to escape to since I usually work from home. I think if either of those things hadn't been true we'd be starting to search but combined it just seemed unlikely to work for us. It's hard for a sitter to completely own 'you're in charge' when a parent is home, even if the parent says 'you're in charge'. And it's hard for the kids to completely forget the parent is there. It might work for other families, especially families with younger kids, but it stopped working for us once my son learned to walk and we didn't have good luck last year when we tried it again with some emergency care options. That being said we did talk about having the middle school daughter of a friend come over as sort of a nanny's helper to take some of the stress off for a couple hours, maybe when i'm not working but my husband is gone, she could play with one of the kids but there would be less of the 'who's in charge' back in forth.

I haven't completely written off outdoor only summer camps with small ratios etc. for later in the summer but staying socially distanced outside all day is something we can do more easily here in CA where is won't rain. Good luck, I hope you can figure something out.
posted by snowymorninblues at 5:10 PM on May 17, 2020 [3 favorites]


We’re hopeful that there can be some small-group outdoors activities for our eight-year-old here in Ohio. She’s lonely and sad, we’re full-time WFH, but we’re pretty risk-averse as well. We’re waiting to see what the camp she’s signed up for can do. Lots of virtual options but online school has been a total bust, and ...it’s just not going to be fun or interesting.
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 5:41 PM on May 17, 2020


Camps may spend a lot of time outdoors, but what are the sleeping arrangements? Bunks in a cabin? Transmission rates are high in households, and I think camp cabins might function similarly. Also, are they eating in a big mess hall and doing loud funny chants? That's your Washington choir practice transmission scenario. I'd probably go the babysitter route and decide now. Waiting until the last minute might mean extra disappoinment for the kiddo.

That said, if you really really wanted to, I might myself be willing to send a kid if the state numbers were really low and if the camp was limiting access to kids who were being well quarantined at home, being clear about what this means, and quizzing us about our adherence to it. They could send everyone at-home test kits two days beforehand and then test everyone again upon arrival. They could keep the groups isolated from one another. None of it would be perfect, but it would all reduce the risk. Something bad might happen, but hey, something good might happen, like your daughter meeting a significant friend.
posted by slidell at 8:14 PM on May 17, 2020 [1 favorite]


I'm a bit at the other end of this, I have been looking at how to potentially run a summer camp that minimizes risk. I also have a 9 year old. For us, we do have the alternative to be home and I'm not likely to be working full time if at all.

Just to think this through a bit, here's what I would look for at minimum:
- as little indoor time as possible. If it were a small, outdoor day camp that's different than say, an indoor gymnastics camp.
- self-contained 'pods' of kids - not mixing the whole camp together
- good sanitizing procedures
- good handwashing procedures
- clear policies on sending kids that are getting sick home, keeping kids home if family members are sick
- temperature checks
- adequate space, which I think may be a sticking point for a lot of camps
- easy drop off/pick up procedures so families aren't waiting in a small waiting room together

I would look for that kind of baseline from the camp.

Even so, I think there's a potential to get COVID-19 at camp, especially if you have community transmission in your area. If you're in a state where the plan was disrupted (as you are) and testing is inadequate you really have no way to know when outbreaks are happening until they hit ICU/death rates, so you will be getting information later than you need it when/if it is in your area.

The families that are most concerned/have other options will opt out, leaving the families that are less concerned/don't have options, and that means it's more likely that in that chain of potential transmission you'll have people with children in your camp that are making less-good choices or who are suffering under worse work from home/sick leave policies.

So at that point I think you almost have to assume that your child has a good enough chance of either getting or transmitting the virus to you that you need to be ready for it. Are you and your husband in a position to weather one or both of you being sick, at the least? Only you can weigh this against your care situation.

With a nanny or babysitter or mother's helper, you also are in a chain of transmission but it relies on one person and you have some control over the environment. It is really hard to have a babysitter in your space, but if you can find one that can take your child for long walks or 'adventures' that you can approve (bearing in mind issues like bathrooms) that might be a good alternative.

Some families I know are creating 'care pods' of 2-3 families and trading off work/childcare days. Again, your chain of transmission grows but if you know the families are similarly committed, it should be less risky than the camp.

I am worried all of us are just dancing around until school in the fall anyway. I don't know if that's helpful.

It's tough. Whatever you decide, just know that you are doing the best you can in a rotten, unprecedented, historic occasion.
posted by warriorqueen at 9:15 PM on May 17, 2020 [2 favorites]


I'm not even reading your long explanation, because for me personally, it wouldn't matter: the answer would be not a snowball's chance, not this year. And all my kids were at a camp or vacation bible school or outdoor trip or sports practive almost every week during late June, July and August from ages 6-18. (They were exhaustingly (to me) busy all summer.) And still, not a chance.
posted by stormyteal at 10:22 PM on May 17, 2020 [2 favorites]


I might allow it in some states, but not in WI.
posted by aramaic at 8:00 AM on May 18, 2020


Emily Oster, author of Expecting Better and Cribsheet, obsesses over this very question in her newsletter.
posted by moiraine at 8:53 AM on May 18, 2020 [1 favorite]


I am in the same boat. We are holding out hope for summer camp. Our two week session is set to be later in the summer. I have a lot of family in Wisconsin and have a relative who died from Covid-19 in Milwaukee. It is serious and the political climate in Wisconsin has turned the situation into a shitshow. Right after the Wisconsin Supreme Court came back with their wackadoodle ruling, we got an email from our summer camp. I told them that the terrible GOP politics will play a determining factor in our decision making. Here are a couple of questions that they sent to us via SurveyMonkey:

If official restrictions on gatherings were lifted and Camp was allowed to be held as normal this summer, how likely would you be to send your child(ren) to camp at CAMP NAME?

If it's on, we're in

Cautiously optimistic

Not Sure

I'm nervous

I'm out


If there were national and local restrictions that have the potential to change how summer camp could operate, and has operated previously, how likely would you be to send your child(ren) to overnight camp at CAMP NAME?

If it's on, we're in

Cautiously optimistic

Not Sure

I'm nervous

I'm out


What practices would need to be in place, in addition to official restrictions being lifted, for you to consider sending your camper(s) to CAMP NAME this summer? Please check all that apply.


An official all clear from state or local governments

Certified COVID-19 testing of all campers

Detailed information on Camp NAME"S sanitation procedures

Social distancing in place in cabins, dining hall, and activities

Other (please specify)


If we open camp, following the state and local government recommendations for safety and guidelines from the CDC, American Camp Association, and the CAMP"S NATIONAL PARENT ORGANIZATION, and someone at camp tested positive for COVID-19 or we have a cluster of cases, how do you think you would react?


I think I would understand, this is a contagious virus.

I think I would have wished I hadn't sent my child(ren)

I think I would believe CAMP NAME AND CAMP'S NATIONAL ORGANIZATION did everything possible to mitigate risk.

Not sure

Other (please specify)
posted by zerobyproxy at 1:26 PM on May 18, 2020


Our camp cancelled our late August slots, last Friday. They are going to keep a slot for them next year and keep the registration fee we paid for this year. Also, we did ask for a full refund, i.e., made a donation to the camp. Tough times. Hope you are well.
posted by zerobyproxy at 6:45 AM on May 27, 2020


Response by poster: Thanks, everyone. You all talked me into rethinking some of my assumptions. We got a lead on a nanny whose risk tolerance is very similar to ours, and we interviewed her and pending reference checks I suspect we’ll make an offer. I’m super nervous about being someone’s employer, with all the tax stuff we have to learn, but I guess few people get to stay in their comfort zone in a pandemic. And anyway having some experience with this may give us some more confidence that we can deal with odd school arrangements in the fall without me, like, having to quit work or something.
posted by eirias at 4:05 PM on May 31, 2020 [2 favorites]


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