Where should I move to?
December 4, 2019 3:59 PM   Subscribe

I've lived in NYC for 27 years. Because of my health and disability plus the cost, this is no longer viable. I have to move next March. Where should I go?

I moved to NYC when I was 19 and I've stayed here for 27 years. The last 3 years my health took a huge nosedive. My mobility, in particular, is limited. Stairs are not something that I can really handle anymore. Disability friendly housing in NYC is too expensive for me and so I find myself at 46 years old contemplating other places to live.

For me the big key is a place that has a lot of accessibility for the mobility impaired, but also a place where I can travel back to NYC as I will continue to see specialists there. In addition, I do not currently have a driver's license, but I'm going to get one as quickly as possible. However places with public transport are a huge plus.

Some suggestions have been Denver, CO; Iowa City,IO; and Birmingham, Vt.

I turn to you all because well...
posted by miss-lapin to Grab Bag (38 answers total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
Admitting that I do not have a disability, but I suspect Philadelphia may check a lot of your boxes; it's got a public transit system, it's often pointed to as being a cheaper alternative to NYC, and it is also only an hour from NYC by train (or if you REALLY want the budget option, take the SEPTA commuter train to Trenton, connect from there onto New Jersey Transit and take that the rest of the way to Penn Station).
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:26 PM on December 4, 2019 [10 favorites]


The cost of living in Denver is definitely not viable for most people. It’s some of the most expensive housing in the country. That being said I’m not sure about subsidized housing.
posted by Young Kullervo at 4:54 PM on December 4, 2019 [2 favorites]


I have some reservations about Iowa City:

1. It's not that easy to get to NYC. There's an airport about thirty minutes from downtown Iowa City, but it doesn't have any direct flights to New York. You have to fly through Chicago or Detroit, which is a bit of an ordeal.

2. Public transit exists, but it's not good. For instance, buses don't run at all on Sundays. The bus system is generally fine for getting from residential neighborhoods to downtown, but it's not great for, say, getting from your home to a grocery store. I wouldn't want to live in Iowa City and be dependent on public transit, although I know people who do it.

3. It's really frigging cold in the winter. Also, people don't always do a great job of shoveling their sidewalks when it snows, which can make things harder for people with impaired mobility.

Anyway, I'm happy to answer any questions about Eastern Iowa, if that's a place you're seriously considering.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:02 PM on December 4, 2019 [2 favorites]


Response by poster: Young Kullervo Denver looked affordable to me. Consider currently in NYC a one bedroom is 3k. The places I saw were significantly cheaper.
posted by miss-lapin at 5:10 PM on December 4, 2019


Response by poster: Thanks Arbitrary and Capricious. This was suggested to me by a friend. It's not a place I know a lot about and I was a bit surprised by the recommendation. So thanks for the heads up.
posted by miss-lapin at 5:12 PM on December 4, 2019


What about a smaller move? Jersey City will save you some $$ and you will still have easy access to everything in NYC. There's a widget on the NJ Housing Resource Center that will help you find places throughout the state with specific accommodations.
posted by apparently at 5:19 PM on December 4, 2019 [12 favorites]


While you're waiting, you might want to apply to any of the NYC lottery housing you qualify for with your income. Virtually all projects have a small preference for people with mobility impairments. Odds are against you, but cost of application = free.
posted by praemunire at 5:47 PM on December 4, 2019 [3 favorites]


You mean Burlington, VT, right? I think the long snowy winter would make it less accessible than a lot of places. There's always going to be a certain amount of snow and ice you have to deal with, even if sidewalks and parking lots are cleared to the best of everyone's ability. And it's so much smaller than NYC that the limited selection of stores, restaurants and entertainment might come as a shock.
posted by Redstart at 5:47 PM on December 4, 2019


How often are you planning to see doctors in NYC? Denver is a heck of a commute. Vermont is lovely but it is the opposite of flat.

Your health insurance might also factor into your decision, as you will likely have to give up your NY residency and switch plans and/or providers. If retaining your existing medical team is a priority, you'll need to ensure your new insurance plan guarantees you access to them.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:01 PM on December 4, 2019 [1 favorite]


3k?! Well, if you can afford 1500+ in rent a month, or wouldn’t mind roommates, Denver is definitely awesome.
posted by Young Kullervo at 6:08 PM on December 4, 2019


Response by poster: I pay most of my specialists out of pocket. My health issue are extremely rare. So moving won't change my team. I've had to travel for my health quite often as my disability is unusual. Currently the specialists are in NYC but they move around. Any place with an international airport will do.

And yeah I can easily afford 1500 rent. That's was my rent 15 years ago in nyc.
posted by miss-lapin at 6:17 PM on December 4, 2019 [1 favorite]


For what it's worth, you could get a place for $1000 in Iowa City and spend the extra $500 a month taking a cab (or Uber/Lyft) anywhere you wanted to go. I think that some of your public transit issues could be solved by shifting some of your budget away from housing and towards transportation, even if you didn't want to get a car.

I think that a college town is not a terrible idea, but you might look for one in a more-temperate location, with a local airport that had a direct flight to New York. Charlottesville, VA maybe?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:34 PM on December 4, 2019 [4 favorites]


I would just move to Philadelphia.
posted by Automocar at 7:25 PM on December 4, 2019 [9 favorites]


Come down to New Orleans. It's moldering, seething, sweltering, and sinking. Plus streetcars.
posted by atchafalaya at 8:03 PM on December 4, 2019 [2 favorites]


If stairs are a problem, I can't say I'd recommend climbing two feet of packed snow and ice to cross the street in Denver, the land that plows forgot. Though after the past eight days it's possible there will be more of a push to get Denver and the other Front Range cities to do their duties by their residents by making it possible to, y'know, leave our homes without mountaineering equipment.

Anyway, I like Denver, and we do better for transit accessibility in a couple of ways from other cities (the rail stations that need elevators have them) but... Sidewalks are somehow optional.
posted by asperity at 9:31 PM on December 4, 2019 [2 favorites]


All three places you mention are going to be less accessible than a lot of NYC. Seconding a nearby borough or Philly. Or come to DC! We have 3 international airports, decent public transit, and you could still take the train. It's rapidly hitting NY prices around here, but still quite a bit cheaper overall.
posted by aspersioncast at 5:01 AM on December 5, 2019 [2 favorites]


Move anywhere in FL- cheap housing, disability friendly due to lots of retirees with mobility issues, many cheap flights to nyc, no snowy winters. St Augustine is supposed to be nice?
posted by genmonster at 6:10 AM on December 5, 2019 [3 favorites]


Pros and cons of Philly:
-significantly cheaper than NYC.
-definitely easy to get to NYC via public transportation.
-extensive public transportation system; HOWEVER, elevators at the subway are hit or miss, not all subway stops are accessible --- however, we only have 2 subways that run across the city, and instead have a bus system that covers the city on a grid. The buses are almost never on schedule, but are GPS-tracked so Google maps gives a pretty good idea of when the bus is actually coming.
-there are a decent amount old buildings that are not accessible because of the age, but a decent amount of the city (including housing) is. There is a lot more ground floor housing as well because Philly is a much shorter city than NY.
-we also have a world class healthcare system, so you may find that it's feasible to switch at least some of your doctors to Philly. Maybe not, but it's worth a look.
posted by DoubleLune at 6:19 AM on December 5, 2019 [3 favorites]


I would also suggest Chicago if you want to continue city living but need to avoid stairs. The public transit isn't as accessible as it should be, but many L stops have elevators and it's not hard to find either an elevator building or a ground floor apartment.

I would look along the brown line, which has the most accessible train stops and runs through some nice neighborhoods that will still seem cheap by NYC rents.
posted by dis_integration at 7:20 AM on December 5, 2019 [2 favorites]


A tentative plug for DC metro, which is not exactly known for its low cost of living but I still find to be distinctively more affordable than New York: public transit does not require stairs (all metro stations have escalators and elevators), walkups are reasonably rare (at least compared to New York), it rarely snows, very easy to get to NYC by trains/bus/plane, still very much city living but you can find areas with that more quiet/suburban feel if that's what you're looking for.

$1500 1BD is doable though it won't work in the most desirable areas or apartments, and I'm guessing COL will only rise in the next few years thanks to Amazon et al. Median in DC is currently around $2K.

Or, yeah, the two most affordable "real cities" (in terms of transit, infrastructure, architecture, etc.) in the US are definitely Chicago and Philly.
posted by mosst at 7:43 AM on December 5, 2019 [1 favorite]


Bonus for Chicago is that a train line runs directly to the airport which is invaluable.

Just a warning if your are looking for subsidized housing the wait lists in chicago run extraordinarily long.

But housing wise at the rates you report you can afford you can get a studio one or optimistically two bedroom first floor unit depending on the neighborhood. I live in a not so reputable part of town where I am perfectly happy and feel safe and pay less that 1000 for my two bedroom unit (though it does have stairs. And definately has its quirks!) Paratransit is also fairly good here as well, if snow and ice limits your ability to access public transit.

There's also a bunch of rare medical specialists, so you might find somebody that your current team would recommend if you wanted.

For consideration wherever you end up, you'd probobly want to look at where you would be hospitalized if you needed local care. There are some pretty good options in the Chicagoland area.
posted by AlexiaSky at 10:02 AM on December 5, 2019 [3 favorites]


Apologies if it's obvious and you've already nixed the idea, but have you considered one of the villages on the MetroNorth lines? Some of the towns are have great amenities within a four-ish block radius, and you could easily find a ground-floor apartment for less than $1500. It would probably take some looking, but I bet you could find one with mobility infrastructure already built in.

I live near the Wassaic stop on the Harlem Line, and while I do have a driver's license, I've definitely taken cabs to the train. It's super easy.

(I also might be biased, because I love my tiny town.)

Memail me for town recos, or if you'd like to take a tour of a few!
posted by functionequalsform at 10:06 AM on December 5, 2019 [8 favorites]


iowa city is dead when u iowa isn't in session.
posted by brujita at 10:37 AM on December 5, 2019


Philly or DC make so much sense.
posted by Miko at 11:17 AM on December 5, 2019


I'm in league with apparently & functionequalsform. The tri-state-ish area as your focus keeps more-reliable public transportation in the mix, and gives readier access to your specialists. (Similar to small towns/villages north of NY and their Metro-North stations, there are some smaller communities on Long Island with LIRR access into Queens and Manhattan -- not sure where you/your doctors are located in the city.) Owning and maintaining a car is tough on the wallet; ZipCar has expanded, but tends to cluster its fleets in certain city areas. (I'm in a large-ish city, and it's an hour bus ride to pick up a car.)

Whatever you'd save in, say, Denver on base rent might get eaten up by getting around Denver itself, and plane tickets, cabs, dining, and in-town lodging for doctor appointments. And when you've grown accustomed to the staggering amenities of NYC, most other perfectly-lovely-on-their-own-merits American cities can seem wanting.

Barring that idea, and especially if warmer weather is attractive: DC metro area.
posted by Iris Gambol at 2:23 PM on December 5, 2019


Response by poster: Well this is just depressing me more than I already was depressed. Philly and DC were never on my list of places to consider. I've visited both places in the past and just never felt comfortable there and certainly didn't feel like public transit worked well.

I thought there would be some answers here and I just feel way more sunk.
posted by miss-lapin at 4:06 PM on December 5, 2019


Sorry, miss-lapin. This Ask question seeking "best public transportation" might offer some new leads.
posted by Iris Gambol at 4:16 PM on December 5, 2019


One thing to consider when flying to important medical appointments (especially in the winter) is that weather flight delays are more common at Chicago O’Hare, LaGuardia, and Denver Airports. weather.com Airport Weather Delay Rankings . This can be mitigated by arriving a day or two before the appointment.
posted by mundo at 7:10 PM on December 5, 2019 [1 favorite]


Baltimore, if you live in the right place. Harbor East has lots of relatively newly built stuff. This means good accessibility, even if it sometimes lacks character. Plenty of character in the rest of the city. Charm City Circulator buses are accessible. New York is a train ride away.
posted by grouse at 7:30 PM on December 5, 2019 [3 favorites]


I was actually serious about New Orleans. It's gentrifying rapidly, but it's still an endlessly fascinating city to me, warm and effusive and colorful. Your budget would probably get you someplace nice near the streetcar line, and there's a new airport.
posted by atchafalaya at 9:03 PM on December 5, 2019 [2 favorites]


Best answer: I just left Denver, in part because my worsening mobility issues PLUS being a committed non-driver made me concerned about continuing to live there much longer. That said, if you're willing to get a license and do some driving, I think Denver could be pretty great for you!

Potential pros:
* Definitely affordable by the standards you've shared. I had a nice 1BR apartment downtown for ~$1600
* There are a lot of modern, new apartment complexes and they all have elevators--walk-ups aren't as common
* If you are a pet person or need a support animal, it's very easy to find pet-friendly housing
* While the claim of "300 days of sunshine" is a myth, it's a believable one: it's sunny and mild more often than not
* If you have a health condition that does well in dry climates, Denver might be perfect
* There are many organizations focused on accessibility and other kinds of disability support here

Potential cons:
* If you have a health condition exacerbated by dry climate, sun/heat, cold, or rapid temperature changes, it might not be the right place for you. It's only really hot or really cold a few weeks a year, but it's always dry, and rapid temperature changes are common
* If you have a health condition exacerbated by cigarette or pot smoke, or the smell of pot in general, Denver can have challenging moments (though from what I remember of my last few visits to New York, the cigarette smoke isn't really too much worse than there)
* Strongly artificially-scented spaces is a big thing in apartment complexes, hotels, bars, etc., in case that's an issue for you
* Snow is just a few weeks a year and rarely sticks around for more than a few days, but it can be hard to get around on foot in snow and ice during those days
* Denver airport will get you just about anywhere, but at the cost of frequent flight delays
* The big fancy outdoor concert venue everyone loves and all the artists who come through want to play is not very accessible for folks with mobility issues
* The main culture is very outdoor physical fitness-focused, and if you're unable or just don't want to participate in that, it can feel a little isolating
* Ditto drinking culture
posted by rhiannonstone at 9:26 PM on December 5, 2019 [1 favorite]


Best answer: What about Minneapolis? It does have a ton of snow and ice, but they have road-clearing and walk-shoveling down to a fine art. It's an airline hub (I think), so direct flights for New York are definitely possible. Plus, it's a cultural mainstay for the Midwest - it has museums, two excellent orchestras, and a viable cultural life. Also, books.

It (and the other Twin City, Saint Paul) are also very affordable. Not sure if you have any sort of down payment saved up, but $180,000 in Saint Paul will get you a very nice, affordable 2 bedroom condo, with beautiful built-ins, high ceilings, and a screened porch.

On a completely different note, have you ever considered moving to upstate New York? I have no idea what the current train situation is, but I used to have family in the area and ended up taking the train into the city more than once. We largely stuck to Schenectady, because that's where our family was, but Niskayuna, Troy, or Saratoga Springs seemed to be very, very affordable.

Good luck!
posted by dancing_angel at 10:57 PM on December 5, 2019 [1 favorite]


Joining the chorus here, but going to voice my support for Chicago. Of all the non-east coast cities, it will feel the most like New York. It has an abundance of restaurants, housing (which isn't cheap but MUCH higher quality and value than NYC), and relatively good public transit that seems to be designed well for disabilities. My vote is that if you don't settle somewhere within driving distance of New York, you take a visit here and see if it checks off any of your boxes. There are so many different neighborhoods that offer different tastes, and every major airline operates non-stop flights between here and NYC.
posted by andruwjones26 at 11:38 AM on December 6, 2019


I admit that the biggest reason I mentioned Philadelphia above was because of its proximity to New York (I was trying to keep you from flying), but if flights aren't an issue I liked Chicago a good deal as well (during a visit). So here's another vote.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 11:48 AM on December 6, 2019


Response by poster: I often have to fly for other reasons, EmpressCallipygos. It doesn't particularly bother me as I'm mobile enough I can ask for a wheelchair to get me to the gate, and I'm fine from there.
posted by miss-lapin at 4:59 PM on December 6, 2019


Response by poster: Minneapolis was a thought. In terms of upstate, my mother lives two hours north (near Troy).
posted by miss-lapin at 5:04 PM on December 6, 2019


If your primary concern is mobility, I would look at places that attract senior citizens.

But since it seems like you do actually like NYC and are planning to drive anyway, I am wondering whether car Brooklyn or car Queens could work for you. If nothing else than as a temporarily solution. Hosting us so much cheaper the further away you get from the subway, buses are generally more accessible than the subway, and you'd have access to all the doctors and all the airports.
posted by Salamandrous at 4:09 AM on December 7, 2019


Response by poster: I do NOT want to live in a place that attracts senior citizens as I am 45. Seriously. But this is fucking insulting.

Brooklyn and Queens don't have disability friendly housing nor are they that cheap. If I could walk a flight of stairs, I'd move there. I've been clear about my inability with stairs.
posted by miss-lapin at 4:14 PM on December 7, 2019


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