A DSLR that shoots good video
June 4, 2012 6:25 AM   Subscribe

My wife and I would like to get a digital camera, probably a DSLR, that will take good video as well as stills. We will be using it to shoot pictures of a baby...ok, our baby.

I am having trouble navigating all the options, or even really fully understanding all the vocabulary, so please gently guide me toward a good decision. I have experience using an old Nikon F film SLR, and expect to relearn some rusty photography skills.

1) What camera would you recommend?

2) Is it foolish to want to get one camera that handles both stills and video?

3) What other accessories (e.g., other lenses) seem necessary?

4) What is the used DSLR market like? What is the lifespan of these cameras, and how repairable are they? Where is the reputable market located online?

Thanks.
posted by OmieWise to Sports, Hobbies, & Recreation (22 answers total) 10 users marked this as a favorite
 
I'm not particularly up on current camera models, so I don't have one to recommend, but as far as having one camera for both stills and video, I don't think its foolish at all. Modern DSLRs have excellent video recording abilities, and you'll be able to take really high quality video. The only downside is that a DSLR is a lot bigger than, say, a Flip camera, so it's a little harder to carry around. But, if you're already planning on having it, using it for video too will work fine.
posted by deansfurniture5 at 6:58 AM on June 4, 2012


If you want a dSLR, either Nikon or Canon are your best bet. There are some benefits to the other makers (Fuji, Sony), but they're marginal when you consider the availability of used gear for Nikon and Canon. I shoot Canon; the rumors are that a new consumer dSLR will be announced this week. If you're careful with the camera, they last a long time, but they get pretty out of date within a couple of years--which is to say the pictures stay the same, but you may get tempted by the better performance of the newer models that come along (especially with "high ISO" performance--the ability to take good pictures in low light).

It's not foolish to want a camera that does both stills and video. They're including that in lots of cameras these days. Since at least the introduction of the Canon 5D Mark II (end of 2008), it's been possible to shoot great HD videos on cameras, and that technology filters down to the consumer models quickly. DPreview.com should have a good database of cameras for you to search, along with sample images and videos.

Accessories: I tend to tell people to skip the kits; the kit lenses never seem that good. Once you decide on a body, post another ask for some good suggestions. On canon, the 17-55 2.8 IS EFS is supposed to be great. I always make a pitch for each maker's "nifty fifty"--the 50mm 1.4. On Canon, it's a wonder, and relatively cheap. (the 50 1.8 is less good, but more cheap!).

Used market is good. If you're in/near a big city, Craigslist is good--check out the lenses before you buy, and ask for sample images (including the EXIF data, which shows the camera parameters (including lens used)) in advance. I've purchased a lot of lenses used on CL, and it's saved me a lot of money.

Personally, I'd go for a new camera body. I.e., either the new release I linked to above, or the prior version--though the new version will be a better investment.

Always buy used with confidence from B&H or Adorama. If they say a lens is a 9/10, it's 9/10.
posted by Admiral Haddock at 7:02 AM on June 4, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm not sure what your budget is, but the Nikon D3200 looks pretty great for the money, and it does nearly everything you'll ask it to do. Get it with the kit zoom, the 35mm 1.8, and maybe a telephoto zoom if that's your thing. An external flash might be nice, as well - it's better to bounce the flash than to shine it in people's faces.

If you'd like something smaller, look into the mirrorless options, namely the NEX and Micro 4/3 cameras. I'm not sure how well the cheaper options do video, but they do do video, and they all take great pictures.

If you're buying a used DSLR, get it from Adorama, KEH, or B&H. They're highly reliable companies who test their wares and honor their warranties.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:03 AM on June 4, 2012


Best answer: My wife just bought a Sony NEX-5N. It's really been fantastic. I'm utterly blown away by it's capabilities, and the video is phenomenal. The low light performance is so impressive, we haven't even bought a proper bounce flash, and she hasn't touched the basic flash that came with it, at my insistence. I can't say enough how amazed I am with it. I'm considering buying one for myself, just so I can play with it, too.

There are some scary reviews about a clicking noise during video, but we haven't noticed any problems while taking video of our dogs running around like idiots, or fireworks shows at Disney. Regarding Nikon and Canon, I've had very underwhelming experiences with every DSLR by them since my Nikon D40 (which I love.)
posted by InsanePenguin at 7:24 AM on June 4, 2012


If you want something that takes great pictures and video, has interchangeable lenses *if you want them*, and is smaller than a dSLR, try one of the micro-four-thirds cameras. I recommend the Olympus PEN EP series. Panasonic also has a line of micro-four-thirds cameras (the Lumix DMC line).

You get great pictures in a lighter, smaller package (because they're mirrorless), with the disadvantage that they are not as customizable as dSLRs, since the micro-four-thirds standard is not as widespread.
posted by Philosopher Dirtbike at 7:51 AM on June 4, 2012


For video as well as still, something that can matter is how smooth and quiet the autofocus is. A lot of still-camera videos have problems with focus hunt (the image sliding in and out of focus) with additional camera motor noise. How quickly, smoothly and quietly the camera focuses and zooms would be something I would look for.
posted by bonehead at 7:59 AM on June 4, 2012 [1 favorite]


Working backwards:

4) There is a significant person-to-person online marketplace. Camera/photo nerds swap and trade up at a good clip. I've bought camera equipment on Photography on the Net and Fred Miranda and Craigslist and had great experiences. The lifespan of DSLRs is typically rated at 100,000 clicks, depending on the model. Many people selling gear will list the number of clicks on any camera body.

Three great features:
- Prices are typically cheaper than from any company.

- Prices also track market conditions very directly. For example, since there are rumors that the Canon 7D MkII is about to be updated, then prices of 7D MkI's have been sliding down over the last few months. So even if you bought that used 7D now, its valuation is pretty accurate and you're unlikely to lose out big when the new 7D is released.

- The people on there are great. Case in point, I bought a seriously beat up flash for $60 from Photography on the Net. It died after six months, which I totally expected. Later in an unrelated transaction, I mentioned this to the seller, who insisted he refund me half the cash. He felt it would be in the spirit of the community. Wow.

3) A nice bag, and a spare battery or two. Digital cameras have great battery life now, Murphy's Law dictates that baby's first steps will be accompanied by the blinking "Low Power" sign. Down the line, consider a flash.

2) No. Use one camera. It's already enough to carry.

1) I'd favor a compact, yet advanced point and shoot like the Canon S100. It's small, and takes great pictures and video. You'll have it everywhere you go. When baby grows up into a high mobility preschooler, I'd switch up to the DSLR because you really need the speed to capture them.
posted by Mercaptan at 8:09 AM on June 4, 2012


Take a look at this; it gives you a rundown of different types of cameras. Of particular interest will be the differences between the Micro 4/3 cameras and DSLRs.

In the long run, what matters most is the glass you put on the camera. As camera bodies become obsolete, you'll replace them. Lenses, however, you'll keep until you pass them down to babby.

If it were me, I'd start with a used Canon Rebel and a prime lens in the 24mm to 35mm range. That will be wide enough for indoor shots. I'd also pick up a kit lens for a little more range when shooting stills but not really for shooting video.
posted by inviolable at 8:10 AM on June 4, 2012 [1 favorite]


For video as well as still, something that can matter is how smooth and quiet the autofocus is. A lot of still-camera videos have problems with focus hunt (the image sliding in and out of focus) with additional camera motor noise. How quickly, smoothly and quietly the camera focuses and zooms would be something I would look for.

I want to second this. Lens noise (of the lens focusing on the subject) is a really big issue and, in my experience, is -much- more noticeable in videos taken with a DSLR than with a dedicated hand video camera. Quiet lenses exist for DSLR videographers, but you're going to spend a lot more money on the lenses then you would for a dedicated video camera.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:30 AM on June 4, 2012


I have a dslr, and a baby, but I use the iphone the most to take photos and videos of the baby. It's usually the closest camera on hand when said baby is doing something cute. (Mods please delete if offtopic.)
posted by dhruva at 9:14 AM on June 4, 2012 [4 favorites]


Response by poster: dhruva, that's not off topic at all.

So, if we add quiet autofocus as a criterion, are there any specific cameras that stand out? Or is it all in the lens? Are there any specific relatively cheap lenses that stand out?
posted by OmieWise at 9:16 AM on June 4, 2012


Unless there has been a change in recent models, the Canon SLRs do not include continuous autofocus when shooting video -- you either have to manually use the focus ring on the lens, or half-press the shutter release, which results in a slow and noisy motor focus. I love the quality of the video produced by my T2i, but the lack of continuous autofocus means that, for me, it is not practical for capturing spontaneous moments with my kids. (For that I use my iPhone or Canon Vixia HF M52.)

I've read that some other brands include continuous autofocus, but it's still slow (compared to a dedicated video cam) and noisy.
posted by BurntHombre at 9:29 AM on June 4, 2012


Can't think of any cheap and quiet af lenses for DSLR videography, unfortunately. Expensive and quiet, yes, but not cheap and quiet.

I'd recommend reading this thread over at dpreview about realistic expectations and DSLR videography:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1045&message=41095971&changemode=1

I think you're much more likely to get better video quality out of a dedicated device than relying on your DSLR to wear two hats.

The best camera is what you have with you however, so I'm pretty sure that the majority of your videos will be taken with your phone. :)
posted by longdaysjourney at 10:35 AM on June 4, 2012


Best answer: I was in exactly the same position 2 years ago, and ended up buying a DSLR - the Canon 550D. It's amazing, and I love the quality of the photos and video, but I still haven't got much past sticking it on auto, crossing my fingers and pressing the button. I have more camera than I need.

If I'd known about them at the time, I would have got one of those newfangled ultra-compact, interchangeable-lens, mirrorless things - like the Olympus Pen, the Sony NEX Series and the Nikon 1. I haven't actually used one, but the size / quality / convenience balance seems just about perfect.

DSLRs still give you better quality, but are bulky. And like I said - too much camera for me.
posted by ZipRibbons at 10:43 AM on June 4, 2012


Seconding dhruva, we also have a good DSLR and 99% of our pics and vids of the kid are taken on the iPhone. Good camera is really only used at special events (birth, first trip to beach, first birthday, etc.) because it is just SO MUCH easier to grab the iPhone and hit record -- and then 90% of pics and vids get deleted anyway because kids just won't do that cute thing again after you are ready to take pics/vids.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 10:56 AM on June 4, 2012


I came in to recommend the Canon S100 too. I got one for my boyfriend who is really into photography and has a DSLR. He's happy with the stills, and LOVES the video on it.
posted by ansate at 11:09 AM on June 4, 2012


Thirding dhruva, DSLR gets brought out when /if we're lucky. However, there's nothing like putting a prime lens on the nikon, dressing the kids up in nice clothes, and then just walking around and shooting everything that happens for about 10 minutes. You can almost always get something nice that way. And it looks way bettter than iPhone stuff.
posted by circular at 1:12 PM on June 4, 2012


Sort of a side angle here, just in case it's helpful. I've had a number of friends tap me for DSLR advice in many cases, it just wasn't the right solution. They weren't familiar enough with the different style of shooting and having a brand new baby really isn't the time to be learning. You want the damn good picture, not the 42 pictures it took to get there, and besides, the baby's already onto something else by that time!

If you do go that route though, I'd heartily recommend the Canon series. I have an older Rebel and it's been a workhorse, and isn't too massive.

Do you have a decent point and shoot? There are some killer models out now. They can be a sweet spot between "grab always-there and easy iPhone" and "go find dSLR with various lenses and hold up to your face with BOTH hands and focus and make sure the light is right....shit, baby moved."

Advantages to good point and shoots, with a baby:
- small enough to go in baby bag
- small enough to take on a whim
- perfect for printing and saving
- very fast responses - pick up camera, take pic, put down
- can hold with one hand, while you help baby with other, or hold the stroller, or bottle or whatever
- can look at the baby with your face while keeping an eye on the viewfinder screen. Holding a giant black box up to your face is a sure-fire way of losing baby's focus
- lots of little P&S have selective focus, meaning you can have something (baby) in focus and something else (busy playground) blurry

Can't go wrong with a Canon PowerShot S95 or the newer Canon S100 or a Panasonic Lumix. If you want something a step up, the Canon G12 is a good choice.

It's easy to assume that the iPhone photos will be equivalent to the results from these excellent point and shoots. The current iPhone is easily miles ahead of my first digital point & shoot in 2001. But the current P&S (like that Canon s100) are insanely great for their size and price. The resulting photos will be noticeably better for both printing and saving.

Whatever you do, get the storage part set-up now. You'll be shooting a ridiculous number of photos and you have to figure out the easiest way to get them from camera/iPhone to computer, and saved in some remotely logical manner. And invest in cloud back-up now, and make it run automatically.

Congrats and have fun!
posted by barnone at 2:43 PM on June 4, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, and buy two or three batteries right away. Keep one charging, maybe a spare in the bag, and one on the camera. There's nothing worse than fighting with technology. If you take the battery out of the camera, LEAVE THE BATTERY DOOR OPEN and do not allow yourself to close it until a fresh battery has been installed. Same thing with the little memory card - buy a bunch, and develop a rock solid workflow for managing them. If it gets taken out, the little door is open.

Make this as easy as possible - you've got more important things to worry about!
posted by barnone at 2:49 PM on June 4, 2012


Best answer: People always recommend the cameras and brand they bought themselves, but most people have never bought outside "their" brand.

The good news is this means that most brands of most modern cameras are excellent. The bad news is the advice doesn't reflect an awareness of the different cameras out there, and is not really recommending one brand as the best, so much as saying, "well, there are no problems with this brand". There are no problems with any of the major brands out there now (Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus, Fuji), anything else comes down to preference.

That being said, my own particular advice to you is:

1. All modern cameras being pretty excellent (and in many cases having the exact same sensor), your choice will probably come down to marginal, individual things that work for you. Do you want a camera that takes AA batteries? Then Pentax. Do you want in-body stabilisation? Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, or Pentax. Do you want a great flash system? Then Nikon. Etc etc etc. There is no magic pixie dust that makes one brand better than the other, and Canon and Nikon are not the only games in town.

2. I just had a baby myself (well, not myself, but you know), the DSLR has not gotten the workout I thought it would. The Samsung Galaxy SII on the other hand, definitely has. So I would recommend for you something small, a m4/3rds camera or mirrorless like the Panasonic G range, the Olympus EP or OMD if you're feeling expensive, or the Sony Nex.

These cameras are small (pocketable if you have a jacket or generous pockets), have a range of automatic and manual settings so good for you and good for random family people because they can behave a lot like a point and shoot, and they shoot terrific video with some models offering excellent on-the-fly, largely silent focusing. If you have a look on YouTube you can find some great videos shot on a Panasonic GH2, for example.

And extra bonus with M4/3 is that there are now a lot of good quality, reasonably cheap lenses available.

I don't own one myself, but if I was buying a camera tomorrow, I would look very seriously indeed at a mirrorless camera. They are performing very strongly and the added size of the older style is becoming increasingly harder to defend as the gap between picture quality narrows.
posted by smoke at 4:13 PM on June 4, 2012


Response by poster: The baby is still on the way (rather than here), but we went with a Sony NEX. I would never have considered them without this thread, so thanks for those answers. I haven't used it a ton yet, but it's great so far, and very small. I thought they left it out of the box when I first got it! Having used a DSLR some, I can say that I like the form factor of the NEX much better, and I like that the pictures from this one are comparable to a mid-range DSLR.
posted by OmieWise at 7:44 AM on July 12, 2012


Response by poster: I have used the NEX for about six months. It's a great camera, takes great pictures, and is fun to use. I thought I would miss the viewfinder, but I have not at all. Overall, I much prefer it to the DSLRs I have used because it is much smaller and less obtrusive.
posted by OmieWise at 12:48 AM on December 27, 2012 [2 favorites]


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