Who are your favorite pop songwriters that don't perform their own songs?
November 7, 2011 11:27 AM Subscribe
Who are the greatest behind-the-scenes songwriters/producers? Give me your favorites!
Ideally, I'm looking for two things:
1) Just a list of the great pop/r&b/etc. songwriters and producers - people who write and produce songs that other artists record and perform. I want the people who you'd only find if you took the time to look at the credits in the liner notes of Top 40 type songs, and ideally I'd like the really good ones. I know of some of the really big ones - Diane Warren as a songwriter, Nigel Godrich or Quincy Jones as producers. Who are the others?
2) Is there a way I can, without just researching and buying all the songs separately, listen to compiled playlists of 'songs by x' that are not one lesser-known artist doing a retrospective but actually include the original recordings of the songs? I.e. a Diane Warren playlist that had Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Madonna, Beyonce, Areosmith, etc. I'd like to get a sense of the writing styles of good songwriters across the disparity of the differences in performers who record them. What would be the best way to do this? Do any of the internet radio stations do this?
Thanks AskMe!
Ideally, I'm looking for two things:
1) Just a list of the great pop/r&b/etc. songwriters and producers - people who write and produce songs that other artists record and perform. I want the people who you'd only find if you took the time to look at the credits in the liner notes of Top 40 type songs, and ideally I'd like the really good ones. I know of some of the really big ones - Diane Warren as a songwriter, Nigel Godrich or Quincy Jones as producers. Who are the others?
2) Is there a way I can, without just researching and buying all the songs separately, listen to compiled playlists of 'songs by x' that are not one lesser-known artist doing a retrospective but actually include the original recordings of the songs? I.e. a Diane Warren playlist that had Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Madonna, Beyonce, Areosmith, etc. I'd like to get a sense of the writing styles of good songwriters across the disparity of the differences in performers who record them. What would be the best way to do this? Do any of the internet radio stations do this?
Thanks AskMe!
Best answer: Holland-Dozier-Holland too, who incidentally get a nice shoutout from the Magnetic Fields.
posted by dfan at 11:34 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by dfan at 11:34 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: Max Martin - seriously I think Baby One More Time is one of the best pop songs ever.
The-Dream
Johan Schuster (often credited with Martin)
posted by radioamy at 11:40 AM on November 7, 2011
The-Dream
Johan Schuster (often credited with Martin)
posted by radioamy at 11:40 AM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Phil Spector may have shot a lady in the face, but he's still the best and most influential pop music producer and songwriter who ever lived, and much of his most important work is collected in the wonderful and relatively affordable Back to Mono.
posted by eugenen at 11:44 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by eugenen at 11:44 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: In the realm of UK pop, definitely look at Brian Higgins/Miranda Cooper aka Xenomania.
posted by bcwinters at 11:45 AM on November 7, 2011
posted by bcwinters at 11:45 AM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Leiber and Stoller wrote pretty much everything in early rock and roll.
posted by drjimmy11 at 11:51 AM on November 7, 2011 [5 favorites]
posted by drjimmy11 at 11:51 AM on November 7, 2011 [5 favorites]
Best answer: Joe Henry is a pretty spectacular producer, in addition to a fine body of work of his own.
posted by jbickers at 11:55 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by jbickers at 11:55 AM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: This may be not quite what you had in mind, but you should really look into The Funk Brothers, the session musicians behind a list of #1 hits as long as your arm but who were very rarely credited for their contributions.
The added bonus here is that they're the subject of a ridiculously fun documentary, Standing in the Shadows of Motown, which features something of a reunion concert with vocals by contemporary vocalists interspersed with interviews and historical materials.
posted by valkyryn at 12:10 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
The added bonus here is that they're the subject of a ridiculously fun documentary, Standing in the Shadows of Motown, which features something of a reunion concert with vocals by contemporary vocalists interspersed with interviews and historical materials.
posted by valkyryn at 12:10 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Response by poster: This is exactly the what I'm looking for. Thanks guys, and keep 'em coming!
posted by Lutoslawski at 12:13 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by Lutoslawski at 12:13 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Dan Penn & Spooner Oldham
posted by neroli at 12:16 PM on November 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by neroli at 12:16 PM on November 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Best answer: Also:
Robert "Mutt" Lange
Richard Marx, surprisingly
Linda Perry
Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds
posted by yawper at 12:25 PM on November 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Robert "Mutt" Lange
Richard Marx, surprisingly
Linda Perry
Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds
posted by yawper at 12:25 PM on November 7, 2011 [2 favorites]
Best answer: The Matrix did a lot of good work last decade. They are also a great one for comparing across artists, as they did top-notch work for at least 4 or 5 different acts (despite only ever selling tons with Avril Lavigne).
And he's kind of a one hit wonder in this discussion, but I have always had a soft spot for Glen Ballard due to his role in Jagged Little Pill. I'm not sure he ever wrote much else, but what an accomplishment that one was.
posted by pinespree at 12:25 PM on November 7, 2011
And he's kind of a one hit wonder in this discussion, but I have always had a soft spot for Glen Ballard due to his role in Jagged Little Pill. I'm not sure he ever wrote much else, but what an accomplishment that one was.
posted by pinespree at 12:25 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Sorry, this is getting ridiculous. But how could I forget David Foster? I'll stop now.
posted by yawper at 12:27 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by yawper at 12:27 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Jules Shear
Vic Chestnutt
Tin Pan Alley
Brill Building
posted by oneironaut at 12:41 PM on November 7, 2011
Vic Chestnutt
Tin Pan Alley
Brill Building
posted by oneironaut at 12:41 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Also here is a spotify playlist of Dr. Luke tracks that I did not make. It's a bit out of date, lacking entries from Teenage Dream and Femme Fatale that are some of his best work, but it's a start. You may be able to find similar lists for other producers, if you use spotify.
I'm listening to this one right now, btw, so thanks for that. :)
posted by pinespree at 12:42 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm listening to this one right now, btw, so thanks for that. :)
posted by pinespree at 12:42 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: Frank Farian, although he "commonly inserts himself as a backing or lead vocalist in place or, in tandem with, the male performers in the groups that he produces".
posted by djb at 12:47 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by djb at 12:47 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Jim Steinman: the guy who basically made Meatloaf..... Meatloaf, as well as writing virtually every tacky power ballad in the 1980s and 1990s.
posted by TheOtherGuy at 12:51 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by TheOtherGuy at 12:51 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: Stephen Hague, Stuart Price and Pascal Gabriel.
posted by beaucoupkevin at 12:51 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by beaucoupkevin at 12:51 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Tony Hatch for 60s English pop. (And the 'Neighbours' theme, but let's pass over that.)
Cathy Dennis had a short career as a pop star, but a much longer and more successful one as a writer.
Alan Moulder occupies a similar place to Albini and Vig for British indie music.
posted by holgate at 12:59 PM on November 7, 2011
Cathy Dennis had a short career as a pop star, but a much longer and more successful one as a writer.
Alan Moulder occupies a similar place to Albini and Vig for British indie music.
posted by holgate at 12:59 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: He's certainly not as big as some of the others listed up here, but I got a happy little surprise when I realized that two of the only country songs that get me to the core (Cowboy Take Me Away and Bless the Broken Road) were written by the same guy: Marcus Hummon.
posted by Madamina at 1:00 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by Madamina at 1:00 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: The Neptunes and Timbaland have been enormously successful in hip hop and have also had some success on the pop charts.
posted by chrchr at 1:12 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by chrchr at 1:12 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Rick Rubin for early Beastie Boys and, well, more than you'd think.
Prince Paul for 90's hip hop.
posted by cmoj at 1:13 PM on November 7, 2011
Prince Paul for 90's hip hop.
posted by cmoj at 1:13 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Ashford and Simpson are gigantic in Motown.
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:05 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:05 PM on November 7, 2011 [1 favorite]
Best answer: I would 2nd Brian Eno from above, and add Nile Rodgers, both of whom were instrumental in crafting David Bowie's sounds. It's hard to over-state Nile Rodgers' impact on the sound of the late 70's into the 80's. Just as a sample, we wouldn't have Good Times, Love Shack, or Like a Virgin without him.
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:45 PM on November 7, 2011
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:45 PM on November 7, 2011
Response by poster: This is fantastic. Thank you. Best answers all around.
BTW, did you catch in that article that Rob Fusari "settled a legal disagreement over song credits and royalties last year" with GaGa, that he came up with her stage name, and that he co-wrote much of her first album, including Paparazzi? You don't see Rob Fusari mentioned a whole lot by GaGa fans eager to call her a great songwriter, do you?
I did not catch it, and that is fascinating. I actually always wondered about GaGa, because she is esteemed so much as the 'pop star that writes her own stuff and has creative control," and I always sort of didn't buy that completely. Good to know that my hunch wasn't nuts.
Also here is a spotify playlist of Dr. Luke tracks that I did not make.
I signed up for Spotify just for this and it's fantastic - exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I wonder if anyone else has made similar playlists for other writers/producers. I'm sort of surprised that isn't more of a thing people do.
And don't stop - the more the merrier.
Thanks all!
posted by Lutoslawski at 2:49 PM on November 7, 2011
BTW, did you catch in that article that Rob Fusari "settled a legal disagreement over song credits and royalties last year" with GaGa, that he came up with her stage name, and that he co-wrote much of her first album, including Paparazzi? You don't see Rob Fusari mentioned a whole lot by GaGa fans eager to call her a great songwriter, do you?
I did not catch it, and that is fascinating. I actually always wondered about GaGa, because she is esteemed so much as the 'pop star that writes her own stuff and has creative control," and I always sort of didn't buy that completely. Good to know that my hunch wasn't nuts.
Also here is a spotify playlist of Dr. Luke tracks that I did not make.
I signed up for Spotify just for this and it's fantastic - exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I wonder if anyone else has made similar playlists for other writers/producers. I'm sort of surprised that isn't more of a thing people do.
And don't stop - the more the merrier.
Thanks all!
posted by Lutoslawski at 2:49 PM on November 7, 2011
Best answer: Your post has inspired me to seek out some other tracks by producers I like on spotify, so thanks! Here are some results:
posted by pinespree at 4:21 PM on November 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
- Dr. Luke (now updated by me to include late 2010/2011)
- The Matrix, a list that I built in the last few hours (I had been meaning to do this since Spotify came around). They did few enough tracks that this list includes some mediocre stuff and some re-used ideas (which I also find interesting). I chose to leave off some Korn, but it's easy to find - they were credited on every track on two albums, I think.
- A stunner of a Max Martin list that I found. His consistent quality and longevity is amazing.
- A non-spotify Rick Rubin list (don't be surprised if you see another comment from me in two hours with a spotify link for this one).
- Kanye West (excludes his own tracks, which include some of his best production – but they made another list for that).
- Kanye vs. Timbaland.
posted by pinespree at 4:21 PM on November 7, 2011 [3 favorites]
Best answer: I have no idea how people are getting those nifty playlists working, but my favourite musician ever,Darren Hayes, has recently been writing songs for other people after a successful career with Savage Garden. He also has a growing solo career, and his recent release was actually sparked from a whole bunch of songs he wrote that were supposed to be for others but that he realised were really about him.
Some of his B-Sides have been performed by other people - Human Nature, Clay Aiken, Backstreet Boys - but I'm not entirely sure of any songs that he's written and others performed that he hasn't also released one way or another.
Does anyone on here know how I can get a list of songs written by someone who mostly does his own material if you're after the songs other people have sang?
posted by divabat at 9:17 PM on November 7, 2011
Some of his B-Sides have been performed by other people - Human Nature, Clay Aiken, Backstreet Boys - but I'm not entirely sure of any songs that he's written and others performed that he hasn't also released one way or another.
Does anyone on here know how I can get a list of songs written by someone who mostly does his own material if you're after the songs other people have sang?
posted by divabat at 9:17 PM on November 7, 2011
Owen Bradley was a hugely influential producer in country music. He played a large part in helping Patsy Cline develop her signature style. K.D. Lang had him produce her album Shadowlands, which is subtitled "The Owen Bradley Sessions".
From his wikipedia page:
His production of Cline's legendary hits like "Crazy," "I Fall to Pieces" and "Walkin' After Midnight" remain, more than forty years on, the standard against which great female country records are measured today.
posted by marsha56 at 1:16 AM on November 9, 2011
From his wikipedia page:
His production of Cline's legendary hits like "Crazy," "I Fall to Pieces" and "Walkin' After Midnight" remain, more than forty years on, the standard against which great female country records are measured today.
posted by marsha56 at 1:16 AM on November 9, 2011
"Is there a way I can, without just researching and buying all the songs separately, listen to compiled playlists of 'songs by x' that are not one lesser-known artist doing a retrospective but actually include the original recordings of the songs?"
Todd Rundgren's An Elpee's Worth of Productions has original tracks by Meatloaf, XTC, Patti Smith, New York Dolls, Grand Funk, and more.
Also, totally seconding, thirding, and fourthing Valkyryn's mention of the Funk Brothers.
posted by kristi at 10:16 AM on November 9, 2011
Todd Rundgren's An Elpee's Worth of Productions has original tracks by Meatloaf, XTC, Patti Smith, New York Dolls, Grand Funk, and more.
Also, totally seconding, thirding, and fourthing Valkyryn's mention of the Funk Brothers.
posted by kristi at 10:16 AM on November 9, 2011
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posted by dfan at 11:32 AM on November 7, 2011