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June 14, 2011 4:23 PM   Subscribe

Soccer, offsides. Teams A and B. Team B has all its players, except for the goalie, on Team A's side of the field. If a player from Team A is now on Team B's side of the field (over midfield), is he offsides, or did the opposing team 'give up' their offsides advantage?
posted by rich to Sports, Hobbies, & Recreation (17 answers total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
Yes, once the team A player crosses the mid-line, he or she is offsides (many will correct you to say offside; either way works).
posted by JenMarie at 4:26 PM on June 14, 2011 [2 favorites]


Yes, the team A player is now offside. Anytime the nearest non-goalie player to a goal is a member of the other team, he's offside, and can't be passed to. A non-offside player can dribble the ball past any defenders, but he can't have the ball passed to him.
posted by Magnakai at 4:27 PM on June 14, 2011


To be a bit of a pedant, the team A player is in an offside position. Until/unless he becomes actively involved in the play (generally if the ball is played to him while in an offside position), he's not offside.
posted by inigo2 at 4:33 PM on June 14, 2011 [12 favorites]


If he is on Team B's side of the field when the ball is struck, he is offside.
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:48 PM on June 14, 2011


Yes, offside position.
posted by misozaki at 4:49 PM on June 14, 2011


inigo2 has it.
posted by meinvt at 5:13 PM on June 14, 2011


Until/unless he becomes actively involved in the play (generally if the ball is played to him while in an offside position), he's not offside.

But there's a pretty solid chance that the flag will go up for anything which goes back over into Team B's attacking half of the pitch, regardless of where the player is; because of this, it's a common tactic to push defenders right up to the half-way line for clearances taken by the goalkeeper, especially dead-ball situations.
posted by holgate at 5:17 PM on June 14, 2011 [1 favorite]


something that is worth repeating for any soccer newbies:

the offside rule helps to get more players into the action, rather than have defenders hanging back all the time, staying on their opponent. However, the tactic of drifting defenders forward can spectacularly backfire if a player dribbles a ball behind the defensive line- they effectively have a clear run at goal. Balance is the key here (as with most things in life, eh?)
this is something I didn't understand and was like- but he's offside... wasn't he?

Bonus question: two players of Team A are behind the defensive line of Team B. A1 has the ball, and A2 run into Team B territory. A1 wouldn't be counted as offside, but what if he passed to A2, once they are both in the pitch? A2 would be offside, yes? (assuming Team B were being lazy and trusted their goalie to swell to the size of the goal) However A1 could run up and score a goal and it would count, yes?
posted by titanium_geek at 5:43 PM on June 14, 2011


To be in an offside position, you have to be in front of the ball. As I understand the bonus question, A1 could pass to A2 as long as A2 is behind (or level with?) the ball without the offside rule being an issue.
posted by hoyland at 5:45 PM on June 14, 2011


The above is correct
posted by bodaciousllama at 5:49 PM on June 14, 2011 [1 favorite]


If the player from team A has the ball already before passing the last of Team B's players on the way to the goalkeeper (not the goalie), then player A could dribble the ball down the length of the field and score.

The ball cannot be passed to the player, though, once he is in offside position, meaning between B's goalkeeper and the next B player on the field.
posted by misha at 5:50 PM on June 14, 2011


misha: The ball cannot be passed to the player, though, once he is in offside position, meaning between B's goalkeeper and the next B player on the field.
As pointed out above, however, a player is not offsides if he/she is behind the ball -- even if he/she is behind all of the defenders. Law 11 stipulates that a player is in an offsides position if he/she is "nearer to his opponent's goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent." (emphasis mine)
posted by Doofus Magoo at 6:37 PM on June 14, 2011 [3 favorites]


Oy. Please substitute "beyond" for the second "behind" above. A player is not in an offsides position if behind the ball, even if beyond all of the defenders.
posted by Doofus Magoo at 6:40 PM on June 14, 2011


Response by poster: OK.. I'm clear. For some reason, a referee actually told me someone was not offside (one of my players) when the ball got cleared to him, and he was plainly on the opposing team's side of the field, because the other team was all on our side of the field, so there was no one there to put him offside.

Since then I've had this experience a few times, for different age groups (U13, U11). This is travel soccer, not recreational, and the referees are all qualified. But my understanding was the midifeld rule as described above. I thought maybe something had changed since I was an active player.

Maybe they're just misjudging when my players clear the ball and thinking my player made a run prior. But I'll keep instructing my players on midfield line.

thanks all!
posted by rich at 5:40 AM on June 15, 2011


A minor clarification: In active play, yes, he'd be offside. But keep in mind that you cannot be offside during goal kicks, throw-ins and corners. So if the keeper was the one making a direct pass from a goal kick to player A, he would be onside even if technically in an offside position.
posted by arungoodboy at 8:44 AM on June 15, 2011


To be further pedantic, if he was one inch inside his own half of the field (with team B's players behind him towards his goal) and waited until the ball passed over his head (or past him at all, I guess) over the line and THEN moved over the line and received the pass, he would NOT be offsides, because you can't be offsides on your own side of the field and you must be ahead of the ball in offsides position to receive the pass.

You wouldn't believe how often I get involved in this conversation in our adult league.
posted by TomMelee at 5:11 PM on June 15, 2011


Seriously, where did this whole "offsides" thing even come from?
posted by turkeyphant at 1:12 PM on June 16, 2011 [1 favorite]


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