Where did stereotypical Asian music come from?

March 11, 2005 10:08 AM

The New Wave classic "Turning Japanese" by the Vapors opens with a short musical phrase signifying "stereotypical Asian music". You've heard it in many other places, usually (these days) for comedic effect. Did this phrase originate in any actual Asian composition? Or is it purely a Western invention?
posted by jjg to Media & Arts (18 answers total)

I remember a thread here a'way back in the day with a similar question, but I can't seem to find it. If I remember correctly, the consensus was that it's a Western construction - it just "sounds like" Asian music.
posted by muddgirl at 10:54 AM on March 11, 2005

It sounds a little bit like sukiyaki.
posted by fixedgear at 11:21 AM on March 11, 2005

Best answer: There was a recent discussion on the Straight Dope message board about this. Their tentative conclusion: it's a Western invention which sounds kind of like the pentatonic scale of Asian music. Similar riffs have been around since the early 20th century, but the exact one used in "Turning Japanese" was the one that has become the most famous, and its fame is probably due to that song.
posted by donth at 11:35 AM on March 11, 2005

When you play only the five notes in an asian pentatonic scale, almost anything you play will 'sound Asian'. Interestingly, American blues scales are also pentatonic.
posted by Miko at 12:10 PM on March 11, 2005

When you play only the five notes in an asian pentatonic scale, almost anything you play will 'sound Asian'. Interestingly, American blues scales are also pentatonic.

On preview, that's what's being said on the Straight Dope.
posted by Miko at 12:13 PM on March 11, 2005

doh
posted by Miko at 12:13 PM on March 11, 2005

Tangentially, an easy way to play an Asian pentatonic scale is to just use the black keys on a piano keyboard. I've noodled around with plenty of quasi-Asian-sounding melodies that way.
posted by wanderingmind at 2:04 PM on March 11, 2005

Response by poster: This message from the Straight Dope board seems to be the key "we definitely have no idea" answer.
posted by jjg at 2:11 PM on March 11, 2005

Previously asked on Ask Metafilter. No real answer in that one, either.
posted by zsazsa at 2:27 PM on March 11, 2005

When you play only the five notes in an asian pentatonic scale, almost anything you play will 'sound Asian'. Interestingly, American blues scales are also pentatonic.

If this hadn't been written already, I would have said something similar. However, seeing it written down (by someone else), I now want to point out the obvious contradiction: If almost anything you play on a pentatonic scale 'sounds Asian,' then the blues (and guitar rock solos) would also 'sound Asian.' (I don't think there's a difference between an 'Asian pentatonic scale' and an American blues pentatonic scale. Both are, for instance, the black keys on a piano, no?)
posted by nobody at 2:53 PM on March 11, 2005

The misconception here is that the blues scale is The Pentatonic scale, or even A Pentatonic scale. It's not, for a start, it has six notes, so it can't be a "pentatonic scale". The blues scale is has the pentatonic scale in it, but then, so does the major scale...

The riff at the beginning of turning Japanese is only three different notes, and those three notes are from a pentatonic scale (The Pentatonic Minor, to be exact), but it's their configuration - particularly the three semitone jump down, that imbues the melody with that oriental feel.
posted by benzo8 at 3:42 PM on March 11, 2005

I thought the quintessential "Asian" sound was from Mikado. Perhaps my cart is before my horse.
posted by Goofyy at 8:34 PM on March 11, 2005

The misconception here is that the blues scale is The Pentatonic scale, or even A Pentatonic scale. It's not, for a start, it has six notes, so it can't be a "pentatonic scale". The blues scale is has the pentatonic scale in it, but then, so does the major scale...

If that's right, I've been wrong a long time. Can you list an example in a particular key? Are you counting the root tone twice? Honestly, not being snarky, just recieved wrong instruction a long time ago if I'm wrong about this.
posted by Miko at 8:46 PM on March 11, 2005

Major Pentatonic: 1 2 3 5 6
Minor Pentatonic: 1 b3 4 5 b7
Blues Scale: 1 b3 4 b5 5 b7

The Minor Pentatonic in Eb is the "Black Notes On A Piano" scale: Eb(1) Gb(b3) Ab(4) Bb(5) Db(b7). With the addition of a flattened fifth, the scale becomes the Eb Blues Scale: Eb(1) Gb(b3) Ab(4) Bbb(b5) Bb(5) Db(b7) (note, of course, that Bbb is really a A.

So, in C for example, the Blues Scale is: C Eb F Gb G Bb

It's the chromatic 4 b5 5 that gives the Blues Scale it's character, and enables you to play some of the most famous blues licks. Without the flattened fifth, the Minor Pentatonic tends to be difficult to resolve, and, as discussed above, due of the two 3 semitone intervals in the key, tends to sound oriental.
posted by benzo8 at 10:49 PM on March 11, 2005 [1 favorite]

See also: RFI: The origin of that stereotypical "oriental" song that plays in movies and is also featured in "China Girl"
posted by subgenius at 11:15 PM on March 11, 2005

Got it, thanks, benzo8.
posted by Miko at 9:18 AM on March 12, 2005

I think that Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting" penetrated mass culture more than the Vapors song.
posted by obloquy at 2:07 PM on March 12, 2005 [1 favorite]

c.f. top Billboard chart positions & dates:
"Kung Fu Fighting": #1, 1974
"Turning Japanese": #36, 1980
posted by obloquy at 2:16 PM on March 12, 2005