Please dress me.
January 25, 2010 1:58 PM   Subscribe

Please help a cheap, butch girl pick out good work-appropriate clothes.

I recently made the change from an academic environment where no one cared about the clothes people wore, to an industry position where it's usually business casual, and where client meetings require me to dress up a little bit more.

The main caveat is that I'm female and prefer to dress a bit masculine. My desire to dress this way isn't just a statement about gender, it's also about a desire for simplicity. I can never find things I like on the women's side of the store because everything is covered in bright prints, has low bust lines, weird cuts, or frills and doo-dads. I definitely would like to branch out and introduce more variety in my wardrobe, but I'm not interested in wearing anything too feminine or with too much "flair". No skirts, heels, etc, but I would prefer to wear more clothes that were actually made to be worn by women.

The second caveat is that I'm cheap. Really cheap. My partner makes fun of me for mending my $1/pair socks when they get holes in them. I am willing to spend money on good, quality pieces, but I'd rather not.

I'm looking for big picture ideas, as well as recommendations for stores, brands, or specific pieces of clothing. Thanks!
posted by Tooty McTootsalot to Clothing, Beauty, & Fashion (31 answers total) 35 users marked this as a favorite
 
Outlier makes the best pants in the world. They aren't cheap, but they're very durable and fit great and nearly impossible to stain. They also make dress shirts. They just launched a women's pant.
posted by You Should See the Other Guy at 2:10 PM on January 25, 2010


H&M (if there is one nearby) has lots of very basic, simple pants and blouses for very cheap. Someplace like Forever 21 would be very very cheap, but unfortunately lots of the clothes are ultra-girly and fancy/frilly so I'd stay far away from there. Target, specifically their Merona line, has some good quality, simple basics. I have a pair of work trousers from Target that I love and wear constantly, and they were only $19.99. There's also Kohl's, TJ Maxx, discount stores like that. The Gap has some really cheap sales sometimes, and they specialize in basics. There's no store I can think of that would cater to your specific fashion tastes, so it's probably going to take a little bit of searching. But what you want does exist!

In terms of specific pieces of clothing, you should explore the world of blazers. They can maintain the simplicity of a work outfit and add a little something so you're not just wearing a boring button-down shirt and dress pants every day. (They can also be worn with jeans when you aren't at work!) They also have pockets. Pockets are fun.
posted by blackcatcuriouser at 2:17 PM on January 25, 2010


On my own time I'm pretty femme, but at work I just want to be comfortable, dammit. I wear a lot of things from Old Navy, pants (not khakis or chinos) and button-up shirts or sweaters. And since I commute on the train I never wear heels, I go with Mary Jane-type sneakers or Dr. Martens.

I agree with the above that a blazer dresses things up. I used to keep a black one, a gray one, and a brown one in my office for meetings back when I had to go to meetings...
posted by JoanArkham at 2:21 PM on January 25, 2010


Outlier makes the best pants in the world. They aren't cheap, but they're very durable and fit great and nearly impossible to stain. They also make dress shirts. They just launched a women's pant.

The link leads to an interior design web site, which, while quite cool looking, doesn't really seem to be pertinent to the OP's question.
posted by dfriedman at 2:21 PM on January 25, 2010


You should be set with a couple pairs of dark, basic trousers (like this shape), several button-down shirts (like this), and a few sweaters (like this).

If you want to buy a few high quality pieces at a conventional store, consider going to Nordstrom and have a personal shopper (free) show you the most basic basics s/he can find. Otherwise, when you go into a store, look for the shirts and sweaters that are folded on shelves or tables, or the trousers hanging up behind the frilly/beaded/glittery tops. Frequently, very basic tops and pants are tucked away, not featured in the prominent displays--so don't be discouraged if you walk in and only see glittery stuff. You can also try more conservative brands, like Lands' End or Talbots to avoid too-frilly or too-low-cut.

If you want to stick to cheap, find a thrift store located near a wealthy neighborhood (i.e., the most likely place for wealthier people to donate their used clothing). Find your basic pieces there. I've had good luck getting year-old cashmere or wool sweaters from J. Crew or Banana Republic at a particular Salvation Army store for a few bucks each. However, it's hard to get a whole wardrobe quickly that way.
posted by Meg_Murry at 2:24 PM on January 25, 2010


(Just as a general helpingness quotient--are you Atlanta-adjacent? So we don't send you to stores in other localities. General body-type description, if you're willing to go there, also helps.)

This is my favorite game! I love "dress the lesbian and/or lesbian-like dresser"! Please email me if you want to discuss this further. (Serious.)

When you say "store," I suspect that you are going to a standard American store that sells horrible, awful things for women. That is not the place for you to be. Obviously!

What I *suspect* you want is the cheapo version of this on the bottom and this on the top. (And/or this! And this!

Basically, I suspect, you should be dressing like a cut-rate Neo in The Matrix.

There's actually no reason you can't wear well-fitted men's dress shirts--NOT BUTTON-DOWNS--in the office. (A "BUTTON-DOWN" is a shirt where the COLLARS are attached to the front of the shirt with BUTTONS. Hence the name.) You may not wear these, they are casualwear. Men's dress shirts on women, however, must not at all be baggy, however.

You can actually go to Brooks Brothers for this and dare them to give you the hairy eyeball. (Not terribly expensive either.)

You should invest--yes, spend a little money--for at least two seasonally-appropriate pairs of decent work shoes. You most certainly do NOT have to wear heels. Um, hello. And! OH HI.
posted by RJ Reynolds at 2:28 PM on January 25, 2010 [8 favorites]


(Hopefully you're in the US - otherwise I can't help you)

You sound a little bit like me when I started working in an industry that was generally business casual, except I wouldn't have described myself as "butch". Even 3 years later, I mostly wear slacks and a shell under a cardigan to work every day, although as I've become more fashion-conscious the clothes become more high-quality and I started to wear accessories.

You need a basic wardrobe to start out. If it's cheap and wont-fall-apart clothes you need, go to a department store like JCPenney, at least for the slacks (anything on that page with a waistband is OK - obviously avoid anything labeled "no waist" or "elastic waist"). I totally know that right now, $24 seems like a lot of money, but that's the absolute low mark for how much a pair of slacks "should cost". If you're fat or plus-sized like me, Lane Bryant makes some very decent slacks that are reasonably priced on-sale. I tend to own 3-5 pairs of slacks in different colors - black, black pin-stripe, tan, and grey are a good start. I don't wear skirts or dresses unless it's business formal, so if that's something you're interested you'll just have to experiment.

I'm still trying to figure out the whole "tops" thing myself. I usually wear a button-up cardigan over a more femme-y shirt.

For more formal meetings, wear a blazer over whatever you'd wear on a normal day. For interviews, you really need a basic suit.
posted by muddgirl at 2:29 PM on January 25, 2010


I am willing to spend money on good, quality pieces, but I'd rather not.

You can get basic cotton jackets, blouses, and pants at places like Old Navy, H&M, and Target; they won't last long and cotton's not a year-round fabric, but they won't set you back too much.

If you want something that will wear well, can be worn year-round, and won't need to be replaced for quite awhile -- thus saving more money over the long run -- consider a wool or wool-blend pants suit (or separates) from places like Banana Republic, Ann Taylor/Ann Taylor Loft, or J. Crew. (J. Crew is the priciest of the bunch, but they have pretty decent sales and if you sign up for their email list, you'll get secret codes for extra discounts. I got a beautiful wool pants suit from them for something like 65% off by combining a discount code with a sale.) A good suit in a classic cut will last years and years.

Basic collared shirts and cardigans will also be handy to have in your wardrobe. You can wear a plain belt over a cardigan (make sure it doesn't clash with your shoes -- avoid a brown belt with black shoes) to smarten it up a little, too.
posted by scody at 2:29 PM on January 25, 2010


i had this very same problem. the target business clothes section was a lifesaver. i went with basic dress pants in black and khaki and then i ignored all dress shirts with flowers or weird pockets or strange seams - i ended up with shirts like this or this or this. finally, i picked up 5 or so of their basic t-shirts. this ended up giving me about 2 weeks worth of clothes. they were comfortable, presentable, cheap, and no fuss.

i use the t-shirts instead of blazers to give a little extra kick to the outfit. it's also awesome because i can go to work in just pants and tshirt and put on the button up shirt last. it makes me feel a little less stifled by the outfit. a blazer would probably drive me bonkers.
posted by nadawi at 2:31 PM on January 25, 2010 [4 favorites]


Also, and I totally know where you're coming from, but you need to get over your cheapness when it comes to clothes. Thrift store clothes look thrifted. They've been misused and look worn. I went through 4 years of college on a clothes budget of $0 and when I look at pictures of myself then, it absolutely shows.
posted by muddgirl at 2:31 PM on January 25, 2010


Oh, and for flat work shoes -- again, you can get cheap fake leather flats in the $20-30 range that will fall apart in a few months, or you can spend a little more (say, $50-100) for basic leather shoes that will last a few years. A few examples: 1, 2, 3, 4.
posted by scody at 2:37 PM on January 25, 2010


Check out Eddie Bauer and J. Crew for basics.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:42 PM on January 25, 2010


I have been in a business casual environment for many years, and used to dress butch. Well, soft butch.

Like others have said, slacks and women's button-down shirts (untucked) will take you far. Plain tank tops or camisoles under the button-downs add a little security and coverage so that you can leave the top buttons open, which is stylish enough. Get a belt and some slip-on loafers with a chunky heel (like 1", just enough to be dressy but still pretty butch and plain). You might have to shop around to find the brand and style that you like, but once you do, keep buying them! Buy multiple in every color!

Start with Target and Old Navy, then branch out to the outlet mall, especially the Gap and Eddie Bauer. Target used to sell khaki-fabric slacks that I loved. I had two pairs in every color and it's all I ever wore, daily, for several years. They were made to last, even though they were $20. But they fit me perfectly despite some weight fluctuation, and that was important.

If you're just starting out, pick either black or brown (depending on which you like best or which one works with your hair/skin color), then invest in a good belt and shoes in that color. Slacks in the same color with a few striped button-downs to match. Trouser socks are a nice addition as well. Have your pants hemmed professionally. Don't skimp on shoe quality! I just had my black loafers resoled- much cheaper and easier than shopping for shoes again.

Here are some recommendations in style and brand: Shoes, pants, shirt, camisole.

Target and Eddie Bauer Outlet would be my first stops if I was shopping for you. Eddie Bauer Outlet is a great place for clothes cut for women, but usually plain and without embellishments, especially button-down shirts.
posted by aabbbiee at 3:15 PM on January 25, 2010


I would prefer to wear more clothes that were actually made to be worn by women.


I know you said that, so my answer my not be very useful, but I'll offer it anyway, because my former boss (and now friend) fits the rest of what you describe in the question. She shops at Men's Wearhouse.
posted by trip and a half at 3:20 PM on January 25, 2010


I get a surprising amount of my professional clothing at thrift stores. I recently wore a thrift-store linen blazer and cotton shirt when I spoke at a national conference. There's some good quality clothing at thrift stores, and it's pretty easy to find among the KMart castoffs.

I'm not femme. For me: natural fabrics (linen, wool, cotton) and lots of black. Definitely black pants, often a black blazer as well. Black shirts, too. Just make sure the blacks match (wear what you're trying to match to the store).

If you're concerned about looking "too" butch, find a blazer that's cut to emphasize your waist. Another approach is to head over to the men's section, where the cuts are nice and simple, and find a shirt in a daring color that few men would wear, like hot pink. Add that to black pants and a black blazer or sweater and you're simple, memorable, and female.
posted by PatoPata at 3:21 PM on January 25, 2010


Looks like nadawi and blackcatcuriouser and I have all loved the Merona Ultimate Chinos at Target.
posted by aabbbiee at 3:21 PM on January 25, 2010


Target would be a good place to start. They have a section of clothes just past the juniors, but before the maternity/plus thats where you'll want to look.

A few good pieces to have:

4-5 pairs of dress pants. These should probably hug at the hips and top of the butt, and then flair out. Go for mostly neutral colors, black, grey, brown, khaki. This will probably be easy for you to find, but keep in mind that most women's pants (especially work clothing) has heels in mind. I have a pair of platform sandals (no incline, but adds an inch or two) to get around this. Boots would work as well. Otherwise, you'll probably need to hem most pants.

Button down shirts. Typically go for lighter colors, as you'll wear them with your dark pants. If you'll be wearing these with a jacket, make sure they don't extend below the hemline of the jacket, otherwise you should tuck the shirt in.

Cardigans, and tank tops can probably see you through most days. Khaki pants, white scoop neck tank top and a dark grey or black 3/4 length sleeve cardigan. Buttoned up cardigans can be pretty grandma, and avoid buying twin sets, unless you intend to mix and match. Wearing the cardigans open, or with the middle 2 done is fine.

Blouses. This may have been where you spotted the ugliness in most women's departments. These are shirts that (in my opinion) don't need a jacket to be business wear, they've got something interesting going on. Cowl necks, belted shirts, stuff with flowers or sparkles. They're also more interesting than wearing plain button down shirts everyday. You'd probably like this blouse.

You didn't mention if you wear jewelry, and I don't know if that would be too girly for you. I really like bold artisan/vintage jewelry, and it helps me feel like I'm not totally giving in to conformity. Wearing a pretty vanilla outfit with a big crazy bracelet or necklace is nice.
posted by fontophilic at 3:24 PM on January 25, 2010


Oh I hear you, PatoPata. But in my mind there's a difference between finding one quality blazer and one quality shirt at a thrift store, and attempting to put together an entire wardrobe for less than, say, $20 an item (averaging out the cheaper shirts with the more expensive pants and blazers).
posted by muddgirl at 3:25 PM on January 25, 2010


Do you want to look like this minus the torn jeans? Maybe this? Both pretty "butch" outfits that do not look silly and could easily inspire a work wardrobe. I think you should spend a while looking at the Sartorialist archives for more of that. Look at the men's clothes and see what you like, and then notice when something, like a certain shape of jacket, seems to also work well on a woman.

Both of those looks above are held together and kept manish with the jacket, which should be your starting point and the linchpin of whatever else you buy. I think at your budget, your best route is alot of thrift store digging and a tailor. Real vintage will let you have the authentic menswear look instead of the silly take on "menswear" sometimes offered at Banana Republic, et al. Buy a thrift blazer of a nice fabric that fits you in the shoulders, take it to a good tailor, and have them shorten sleeves, shrink the length, and make it fit you while keeping the essential spirit of the garment. You have to be really discerning and develop an eye before this route will pay off, but it's probably the best value. It's also the most time consuming and is not the way to go if you don't think you're "good at" shopping.
posted by slow graffiti at 4:04 PM on January 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


I'm no fashion plate and I should probably follow through more myself on the following advice, but....

When you find something that you like and think is appropriate, go back right away and buy it in all the colors you can stand.
posted by Morrigan at 4:22 PM on January 25, 2010 [5 favorites]


I buy men's khaki's from Old Navy (straight leg) in my size, which I like because I'm short and they come in lengths. On sale, they're 17 bucks. They come in lots of colors, including dark blue, dark brown, and black.

For shirts, I wear sweaters from the Gap. Most are from the men's side. Old Navy monotone sweaters are decent too. I have like 3 black sweaters and 3 grey sweaters. For shoes, I wear colorful New Balances or Merrell boots.
posted by melodykramer at 6:55 PM on January 25, 2010


aabbbiee, you mention wearing button-down shirts untucked, but you also mention belts...how does that work? I've actually been wondering about the guideline there, as someone who wears lots of untucked fitted shirts (that end up covering the waist of most pants.) Do you wear a belt with those anyway, underneath?
posted by needs more cowbell at 7:06 PM on January 25, 2010


I'm like you; I don't wear skirts, dresses or heels, I hate lace, frills and low-cut shirts. So I wear pants, button-down shirts, sweaters, and blazers. That sounds really boring, but I assure you it's not! I just look for "clean lines" - 'crisp' white shirts (or of other colours and patterns, like stripes), nice cut blazers that give you good shape (i.e. not too baggy or tight), and nice cut pants (again not too baggy or tight). I also don't like turtlenecks (they're not comfy for me), but if you don't mind them, those could work for you too. You could also do vests - those are pretty masculine!

I live in Toronto and there are warehouse sales quite frequently (run by companies that specialize in holding warehouse sales. They take place over a few days only once or twice a year for a specific brand name - Puma, Levi's, Lacoste, etc.). A couple of years ago I went to an Esprit warehouse sale. Stuff was CHEAP. I got a lot of business casual gear (i.e. about one laundry's load worth :D ) for about $200. I hope that's not unreasonable for you to spend - you're making money now, right? So you don't have to spend money quite like a student anymore. I'm also a cheapskate and for me, I was ok spending that little on that amount of clothing. You could also go to outlet malls where brand names are marked down by a lot.
posted by foxjacket at 7:36 PM on January 25, 2010


From your description, you and I seem to have similar tastes in clothes/expenditures. Aside from what other people have already said, here's what I've found in my experience:

New York & Company had some excellent chinos this past fall. They're no longer up on their website, and they've been in the clearance section of my local store for a few months and there are barely any left now, but go there if you live near one and see if they have any. They were on sale for $15 last time I was there. They are incredibly soft and comfortable, moreso than jeans. It's like working in pajamas but they actually look like work pants. They came in neutral colors like black, gray, beige, and olive green, and are very easy to match with tops - and even better, they come in petite and tall sizes so I didn't need to get them hemmed. I hope they didn't stop making them forever. Other than those pants, I generally don't find much I like at NY&Co aside from the occasional button-up work shirt, but man I love those pants.

If you're looking for shoe advice, I just got these, and they are really comfortable to walk in and look great with manly work pants: Eastland Windsor

I am also an enthusiastic supporter of the cardigan. If you get some cardigans in basic, neutral colors, you can match them with all sorts of random cheapo t-shirts (or even tank tops) and you'll look decent.
posted by wondermouse at 8:21 PM on January 25, 2010


Eddie Bauer has really nice women's pants. Wait until they have a good sale. I hate how frequently they send email, but email lists helps me know when something I want goes on sale. Lands End has nice cotton sweaters, shirts and frequent sales. I wear solid colors, lost of black, navy, grey, khaki, and occasional bright colors. Pretty much any top goes with any pants, which makes mornings manageable. Wear good shoes, and keep them shined and in good repair.
posted by theora55 at 8:51 PM on January 25, 2010


This is a process... don't spend a lot of money at first, not until you figure out how you want to dress for work. This is what I recommend:

Start with Target and Old Navy. The women's sections, not the junior's (young women's) section. Merona is a good brand to start with at Target. Buy some simple pants in black or brown (it's easier to stick with one main color at first unless you already have shoes to coordinate--so go for black and colors that match or brown and colors that match). I like to step up from cotton khakis to dressy-ish straight pants that are actually polyester but drape like dress pants.

Then, but some simple, plain t-shirts, with some kind of plain neck, whatever you like--round, v, etc (like this or this). Choose your favorite colors--go for white and black if you like, or red, green, whatever. Just make sure it matches the pants. It's best if you keep these fresh for work and don't wear them too much at night or on the weekends.

Then, still at Target or Old Navy, look for the boyfriend-style blazers that are in style now (like this). Get one in a matching or coordinating color (keep it simple at first). Also pick up a simple cotton, button-up cardigan.

You can pants on sale for $15-20; t-shirts for $5-10; and a blazer or sweater for $20-30.

So now you have pants, nice t, and jacket. Add a simple pair of black (or brown) shoes. Wear, repeat.

Then, you'll start to figure out what you like and don't. Like the pants? Go back and buy them in all the available colors. Like the jacket? But a second in another color. Like the shirt? Buy a couple more.

Then, once you really figure all this out, if you want, you can start upgrading your wardrobe. Your inexpensive Target pants might wear out after a season... so then you can start upgrading a bit to Gap or even Banana Republic (outlets are best).

If you aren't near a Target, try Wal-Mart. Seriously. Don't mind the people who say you have to spend a lot. That works better once you have a better sense of what you like wearing to work and how you want to wear it. And then once you are comfortable with that, you can start expanding where you shop. If you want.

Good luck.
posted by bluedaisy at 10:08 PM on January 25, 2010


Land's End. Check the Overstock section for good bargains. I swear, I will never shop anywhere else again. I stocked up on pants* in black, navy, and three different shades of khaki. Then I bought about 10 shirts (no iron!) in various matching colors. Boom! My entire wardrobe for under a $400. Free shipping if you have your order sent to a local Sears store. And after you place an order with them, they send you notices on upcoming good sales. (I like this, ymmv.)

Available in different inseam lengths! Hallelujah! This may not matter to you if you aren't taller or shorter than average, but it's the first time in my working life I have pants that are the right length.
posted by SuperSquirrel at 6:05 AM on January 26, 2010 [2 favorites]


It really sounds like you would benefit from a "uniform" to help maintain simplicity. I'd stick with trouser-cut pants, button-down shirts, and either cardigans or v-neck sweaters over the button-downs. It's easy to find plain pants, solid or stripe button-downs, and solid color sweaters. It's also easy to find decent ones inexpensively.

I personally love the classic styling and quality of Eddie Bauer, Lands End, and LL Bean, but none are particularly cheap. If it helps justify it to yourself, Lands End and LL Bean guarantee lifetime satisfaction, so if what you buy doesn't last, you can get a refund. They also all have clearance sections on their websites, sales racks in their stores, and outlet stores, if you feel like putting a little time into bargain hunting.

Old Navy is a good, less expensive alternative, but I've had some quality issues with a few things I've bought there. A few things have lasted YEARS, while others fell apart within a couple months. I have had good experiences with their perfect khakis and classic button-front shirts.
posted by tastybrains at 6:17 AM on January 26, 2010


needs more cowbell: re: belt with untucked shirts. I wear belts with untucked shirts. Sometimes I might tuck in the tank top/cami/t-shirt underneath, and then wear the untucked button-down over that. Then when you're reaching for something or bending over, you're not exposing any skin. The belt will keep the undershirt tucked in and helps you look more put-together. (The belt also helps if your pants fit strangely around the waist, which the current fit style seems to encourage (giant waist, skintight thighs).) Sometimes I will unbutton a button or two at the bottom of my shirt, and then you can see the belt underneath. It gives a bit of a curvy look. I can see that a butchier girl than me would maybe want to go all-the-way buttoned.

I also agree about a sleeveless crewneck or v-neck sweater over the buttondown shirt (tucked or not tucked, up to you). It increases warmth but is also a look that would be pretty hot on a butch girl.

To go further with the 'what looks hot on a butch girl' theme, which is where RJ Reynolds is going in her comment way up there, I read something by a hot butch girl who said that she looked at what her very effeminate gay male friends were wearing, and then wore something like that. Floral button-down shirt with a matching tie and slacks, men's shoe in unexpected colors, patterns that your average straight men won't wear. When I shopped for my ex-wife, I would often bring home men's shirts from Old Navy and Target that were marked way down because the shirts were just a little too feminine (color or pattern-wise). But a hot butch girl could rock that look on the cheap and look pretty cool. I don't know if you're ready to wear ties, but... swoon.
posted by aabbbiee at 6:58 AM on January 26, 2010


Oh such great suggestions! I'm going to have fun shopping online today.

I'd never really considered clothes shopping at Target, the times I've wandered through their clothes section, my eyes must have been distracted by some of the gaudier things there - but I looked, and the Merona line really does have pieces I'd like. And also Eddie Bauer, LL Bean - all those places seem like good leads - I think I'm going to go through all their clearance sections today.

RJ Reynolds says: Basically, I suspect, you should be dressing like a cut-rate Neo in The Matrix.

Precisely! Those are great ideas, I am a little worried about finding pieces like that at prices I am willing to pay, but I'm going to browse places with those ideas in mind. And aabbbiee, I'd never thought about it like that, but yeah, I do like how my more fashionable gay male friends dress. Once upon a time, I wore ties occasionally, and I'm not opposed to the idea, but that's not something I'd want to wear to work.

I also think, as someone suggested, I'm going to browse men's sections, to maybe find some smaller, more fitted items. I'm really just trying to avoid my torso looking like a giant rectangle.
posted by Tooty McTootsalot at 7:58 AM on January 26, 2010


Also, and I totally know where you're coming from, but you need to get over your cheapness when it comes to clothes. Thrift store clothes look thrifted. They've been misused and look worn. I went through 4 years of college on a clothes budget of $0 and when I look at pictures of myself then, it absolutely shows.

Depends though. If you go to smarter areas, things get thrown out because they're out of season, not worn out. Which is great if what was in then is particularly you. Get a sweater de-bobbler or learn how to repair and you can find things there.

I used to look awful when I started office work as I had no idea what I was meant to wear, so it's good you have ideas. Make sure things *fit* - pants long enough, shirts button properly, things go together. I wouldn't personally wear men's clothes but then I'm too lady-shaped to fit them properly.

I'd go with waistcoats - basically, an Annie Hall kind of look. Tone it down for work as you like, but it's mannish without looking like a drag king.
posted by mippy at 8:37 AM on January 26, 2010


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