Who owns the area between the sidewalk and street?
November 29, 2009 12:31 PM Subscribe
What rights do the public have to the planting strip (between the sidewalk and street) in a Berkeley residential area?
Does the city own the property and the adjacent homeowner is required to maintain it, or does the homeowner own it, and the city has an easement for their own use?
But more specifically, what rights do the public have to that area? Are people allowed to walk their dogs on it? Does it basically count as part of the sidewalk in the eyes of the law?
Does the city own the property and the adjacent homeowner is required to maintain it, or does the homeowner own it, and the city has an easement for their own use?
But more specifically, what rights do the public have to that area? Are people allowed to walk their dogs on it? Does it basically count as part of the sidewalk in the eyes of the law?
In many places where the homeowner doesn't own the strip, s/he is required to maintain it. If that's the case in Berkeley, it seems the requirement to maintain suggests that in spirit keeping dogs walked by negligent owners from crapping on the strip is OK.
I've seen the requirement to maintain go up again the "permitted uses" when people try to extend their front lawn vegetable gardens on to the strip. They can't plant veggies, but also can't just ignore crabgrass and trash dumped.
posted by morganw at 4:50 PM on November 29, 2009
I've seen the requirement to maintain go up again the "permitted uses" when people try to extend their front lawn vegetable gardens on to the strip. They can't plant veggies, but also can't just ignore crabgrass and trash dumped.
posted by morganw at 4:50 PM on November 29, 2009
I don't think it benefits anyone to discourage a property owner from maintaining the property in front of their house. Dogs peeing on trees or grass is not good for the greenery. Having yellow or dying greenery does not make for a pretty neighborhood. What do you value more? A place for your animals to pee freely without regard for beauty?
posted by JJ86 at 6:56 PM on November 29, 2009
posted by JJ86 at 6:56 PM on November 29, 2009
jj86: “Dogs peeing on trees or grass is not good for the greenery.”
A propos of nothing: male dogs peeing on trees or grass does little damage. Oddly enough, it's the urine of female dogs that actually kills grass; male urine is pretty much harmless.
posted by koeselitz at 10:43 PM on November 29, 2009
A propos of nothing: male dogs peeing on trees or grass does little damage. Oddly enough, it's the urine of female dogs that actually kills grass; male urine is pretty much harmless.
posted by koeselitz at 10:43 PM on November 29, 2009
True but one encourages the other, no? All dogs are territorial.
posted by JJ86 at 6:08 AM on November 30, 2009
posted by JJ86 at 6:08 AM on November 30, 2009
male urine is pretty much harmless
I wish somebody would tell that to our lawn, because it sure doesn't like it when our neutered male pees on it.
That being said, there are a lot of plants and trees that are pretty much impervious to dog pee, and I wouldn't plant any tender flowers in the parking strip because you know it's going to get peed on. But my experience of living in Berkeley means you have folks like your neighbor with little better to do than vigilantly enforce their perceived rights, whether or not they are actually in the right.
posted by ambrosia at 9:44 AM on November 30, 2009
I wish somebody would tell that to our lawn, because it sure doesn't like it when our neutered male pees on it.
That being said, there are a lot of plants and trees that are pretty much impervious to dog pee, and I wouldn't plant any tender flowers in the parking strip because you know it's going to get peed on. But my experience of living in Berkeley means you have folks like your neighbor with little better to do than vigilantly enforce their perceived rights, whether or not they are actually in the right.
posted by ambrosia at 9:44 AM on November 30, 2009
Sometimes people get nutty and stuck on a detail. Maybe he's had a recent trauma, or senility is kicking in, or he could just be kind of nutty. It would be nice to tell your neighbor you understand that he feels strongly about the issue and will do your best to direct your dog elsewhere. Just my .02; your comment, and your name, suggest that you aren't looking to get adversarial.
posted by theora55 at 2:40 PM on November 30, 2009
posted by theora55 at 2:40 PM on November 30, 2009
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posted by team lowkey at 1:28 PM on November 29, 2009