How would a 23 year-old male become more fashionable?
February 24, 2009 7:57 PM Subscribe
How would a 23 year-old male become more fashionable? The only time I feel dressed well is when I wear a suit. How can I fix this? It's difficult for me to find clothes that I feel fit me well because of my 6'3" 185 lb frame.
I'm 6'3" and slim. The only time I really feel comfortable with what I'm wearing is at work: I wear a suit. With suits, I believe that I look better because I know that I have a complete outfit that fits me fairly well (it's tailored after all). I know what suits are supposed to look like and I'm able to pull it off. I have a few different colors of suits, shirts, and ties.
However, after work hours, i feel that I do not dress well enough for my age. I'm 23 and I live in one of the nicer areas of DC. The only thing I seem to be good at is putting on one of my 3 sweaters, 6 t-shirts, or 3 dress shirts with blue jeans. There are 8 million more ways to dress well out there and it seems that I just can't cook them up in my head. The only way I seem to be able to figure something out is to look at a mannequin or look on the Express website or something.
Even then, I feel that nothing fits me well because of my body type. Clothes aren't made for guys who are 6'3" and 185 lbs. Everything is too baggy or too short. It's very frustrating and I think that realizing how difficult it is to find clothes that fit me well has turned me off to fashion. I tend to find a few simple things every now and again that fit me fairly well and I wear them all the time. I need to expand my wardrobe. I have enough money to do it, but it's so hard for me to do.
How can I change this? Should I be reading men's magazines, fashion magazines, or fashion blogs/websites?
Anyone have any ideas? I feel that I'm a classy guy but my wardrobe does not reflect that, I'm afraid. Feeling that I'm dressed well is a big confidence booster that I desperately need sometimes.
I'm 6'3" and slim. The only time I really feel comfortable with what I'm wearing is at work: I wear a suit. With suits, I believe that I look better because I know that I have a complete outfit that fits me fairly well (it's tailored after all). I know what suits are supposed to look like and I'm able to pull it off. I have a few different colors of suits, shirts, and ties.
However, after work hours, i feel that I do not dress well enough for my age. I'm 23 and I live in one of the nicer areas of DC. The only thing I seem to be good at is putting on one of my 3 sweaters, 6 t-shirts, or 3 dress shirts with blue jeans. There are 8 million more ways to dress well out there and it seems that I just can't cook them up in my head. The only way I seem to be able to figure something out is to look at a mannequin or look on the Express website or something.
Even then, I feel that nothing fits me well because of my body type. Clothes aren't made for guys who are 6'3" and 185 lbs. Everything is too baggy or too short. It's very frustrating and I think that realizing how difficult it is to find clothes that fit me well has turned me off to fashion. I tend to find a few simple things every now and again that fit me fairly well and I wear them all the time. I need to expand my wardrobe. I have enough money to do it, but it's so hard for me to do.
How can I change this? Should I be reading men's magazines, fashion magazines, or fashion blogs/websites?
Anyone have any ideas? I feel that I'm a classy guy but my wardrobe does not reflect that, I'm afraid. Feeling that I'm dressed well is a big confidence booster that I desperately need sometimes.
The crap they sell in Georgetown (or at the Express, ugh) is made for the frat boys who have flourished in DC the last 8 years; this may change if the average aide or staffer starts to look more like Obama — or Reggie Love! Clothes made for fashionable men are actually made exactly for guys who are 6'+ and 185 lbs. There's a Reiss store on Wisconsin Ave — look at that picture and you'll see that they are cutting their clothes with you in mind. (And me, 20 pounds ago :)
posted by nicwolff at 8:15 PM on February 24, 2009
posted by nicwolff at 8:15 PM on February 24, 2009
You need to gain about 40 pounds. While you indeed might be a classy guy, your wardrobe only reflects the fact that you are 6'3" and weigh a buck eighty five.
Do some squats and some deadlifts and drink a gallon of milk a day -- basically, put some muscle on your frame. Then you will be able to find clothes that fit you, because people make clothes for such normally proportioned human beings.
posted by tiburon at 8:22 PM on February 24, 2009
Do some squats and some deadlifts and drink a gallon of milk a day -- basically, put some muscle on your frame. Then you will be able to find clothes that fit you, because people make clothes for such normally proportioned human beings.
posted by tiburon at 8:22 PM on February 24, 2009
Everything is too baggy or too short.
I pay a tailor $10 a shirt to take in the sides of my shirts. (I think the going rate in NYC/Miami is double that, not sure for DC, I assume it's closer to NYC than NC). You are not limited to the fits you find in stores.
posted by Comrade_robot at 8:50 PM on February 24, 2009
I pay a tailor $10 a shirt to take in the sides of my shirts. (I think the going rate in NYC/Miami is double that, not sure for DC, I assume it's closer to NYC than NC). You are not limited to the fits you find in stores.
posted by Comrade_robot at 8:50 PM on February 24, 2009
I'm going to have to go 180 degrees off of tiburon's advice. Being fashionable is not about having the right body type; it's about presenting the body you have in the best way possible.
I'm seconding thatguyonmf's advice, instead; the "trusted friend" should be a fashionable woman of the age group you hope to attract, or a fashionable gay guy (ditto). Regardless of your orientation, either are able to help.
posted by IAmBroom at 8:50 PM on February 24, 2009
I'm seconding thatguyonmf's advice, instead; the "trusted friend" should be a fashionable woman of the age group you hope to attract, or a fashionable gay guy (ditto). Regardless of your orientation, either are able to help.
posted by IAmBroom at 8:50 PM on February 24, 2009
I highly reccommend Men's Warehouse. They may have a slightly limited selection of articles of clothing, but everything they have that you will like will be business apropriate and will look good. Plus you'll get the hands on attention and someone who knows what will look good on your frame/complexion.
You are probably a large tall for shirts. Large-regulars will make you look like your arms are too long and XL will make you look like a flying squirrel. Sorry, but don't go to express or Abercrombie or many of the smaller mall stores for shirts as they generally don't have enough of an inventory for a Large-Tall label. You will find a small selection of large talls in Banana Republic (though I usually just stick with shortsleeves from there), a small selection in Gap, and a larger selection in the department stores (Macy's, Nordstroms, Needless Markup (Nieman Marcus), etc. Generally speaking go with the regular fit, the 'sport' fit is generally built for guys with a tummy trying to make it look like their tummy is actually in their chest.
As for pants, I'll guess a 33x34 in length. I'm a big fan of Express for cheaper everyday pants where the pleat falls out after I wear them, and then Perry Ellis for days with meetings. Avoid pleats (my biggest fopa for a long time). Dryclean the pants every few weeks to avoid breaking the budget.
Staples:
Pants: Khakis, Brown, and Blacks. Try subtle textures and patterns. My first pair of nice black pants had a coururoy texture, my first kahkis were actually a subtle plaid. My browns were a flat brown with a visible weave. As I added other pants, I was able to add similar colors and create a very different look just because the texture was that much different (Cuffs, etc).
Shirts: You are young. Go with brighter colored shirts and mix in on occasional neutral, white and blue. With a solid wardrobe of pants, just about any colored shirts will them (Browns generally don't go with blacks). As I said though - classic or regular fit might be better for you - probably not the sport fit. If you look on the back of a sport fit, they tailor in the waist, which for a thin guy doesn't get rid of the bagginess. So we get slightly baggy at the bottom, with just enough rigid support upwards that there's a crap ton of excess material at the top.
Belts: 2 to start, Black leather and Brown leather. I probably use the brown one 4 out of 5 days.
Shoes: 2 to start, Black leather and Brown leather. I skimp here. I have a pair of dockers that I wear most days, but I have two pairs of dress shoes if I'm giving a presentation.
posted by Nanukthedog at 9:01 PM on February 24, 2009
You are probably a large tall for shirts. Large-regulars will make you look like your arms are too long and XL will make you look like a flying squirrel. Sorry, but don't go to express or Abercrombie or many of the smaller mall stores for shirts as they generally don't have enough of an inventory for a Large-Tall label. You will find a small selection of large talls in Banana Republic (though I usually just stick with shortsleeves from there), a small selection in Gap, and a larger selection in the department stores (Macy's, Nordstroms, Needless Markup (Nieman Marcus), etc. Generally speaking go with the regular fit, the 'sport' fit is generally built for guys with a tummy trying to make it look like their tummy is actually in their chest.
As for pants, I'll guess a 33x34 in length. I'm a big fan of Express for cheaper everyday pants where the pleat falls out after I wear them, and then Perry Ellis for days with meetings. Avoid pleats (my biggest fopa for a long time). Dryclean the pants every few weeks to avoid breaking the budget.
Staples:
Pants: Khakis, Brown, and Blacks. Try subtle textures and patterns. My first pair of nice black pants had a coururoy texture, my first kahkis were actually a subtle plaid. My browns were a flat brown with a visible weave. As I added other pants, I was able to add similar colors and create a very different look just because the texture was that much different (Cuffs, etc).
Shirts: You are young. Go with brighter colored shirts and mix in on occasional neutral, white and blue. With a solid wardrobe of pants, just about any colored shirts will them (Browns generally don't go with blacks). As I said though - classic or regular fit might be better for you - probably not the sport fit. If you look on the back of a sport fit, they tailor in the waist, which for a thin guy doesn't get rid of the bagginess. So we get slightly baggy at the bottom, with just enough rigid support upwards that there's a crap ton of excess material at the top.
Belts: 2 to start, Black leather and Brown leather. I probably use the brown one 4 out of 5 days.
Shoes: 2 to start, Black leather and Brown leather. I skimp here. I have a pair of dockers that I wear most days, but I have two pairs of dress shoes if I'm giving a presentation.
posted by Nanukthedog at 9:01 PM on February 24, 2009
Think WASP and British, not Italian. Go for a classic American look, not cutting edge or flashy.
It's not the case that dressing this way is some mark of being a super Republican or something. Willie Brown was extremely well-dressed. It's definitely true that some liberals have loved being seen as slobs or unconcerned with the superficial, and the Republicans had a lock on the old money crowd for a while. But that's all ancient history.
Check out old Brooks Brothers and J Press catalogs. Avoid shiny dress shirts and overly padded shoulders on jackets. You can put together a decent outfit on the cheap. Places like Mens Wearhouse are good for cheap, everyday suits, but avoid their shirt/tie combos like the plague. They'll have you dress like Regis Philbin.
Maybe contrary to my anti-Italian advice, I'd recommend wearing shirts that actually fit. Particularly if you're thin. Most off the rack shirts are too baggy, designed to fit the plus-sized modern man. You can get custom-made shirts pretty cheap on the Internet at places like bestcustomshirt.com. Having off-the-rack jackets tailored is not very expensive.
Get reasonably nice shoes-- some plain oxfords, black and brown, and some penny loafers. Then maybe a couple of odd jackets. A blue blazer (I recommend andersonlittle.com) is very versatile. Don't carry around a backpack or some high tech-looking bag.
Anything you buy should be made to last a long, long time.
posted by yesno at 9:06 PM on February 24, 2009
It's not the case that dressing this way is some mark of being a super Republican or something. Willie Brown was extremely well-dressed. It's definitely true that some liberals have loved being seen as slobs or unconcerned with the superficial, and the Republicans had a lock on the old money crowd for a while. But that's all ancient history.
Check out old Brooks Brothers and J Press catalogs. Avoid shiny dress shirts and overly padded shoulders on jackets. You can put together a decent outfit on the cheap. Places like Mens Wearhouse are good for cheap, everyday suits, but avoid their shirt/tie combos like the plague. They'll have you dress like Regis Philbin.
Maybe contrary to my anti-Italian advice, I'd recommend wearing shirts that actually fit. Particularly if you're thin. Most off the rack shirts are too baggy, designed to fit the plus-sized modern man. You can get custom-made shirts pretty cheap on the Internet at places like bestcustomshirt.com. Having off-the-rack jackets tailored is not very expensive.
Get reasonably nice shoes-- some plain oxfords, black and brown, and some penny loafers. Then maybe a couple of odd jackets. A blue blazer (I recommend andersonlittle.com) is very versatile. Don't carry around a backpack or some high tech-looking bag.
Anything you buy should be made to last a long, long time.
posted by yesno at 9:06 PM on February 24, 2009
You're tall enough to wear tall men's clothing sizes. Go to Rochester Big & Tall (I checked; there's one in DC) and try on clothing there. It will cost an arm and a leg, but the service and quality are fantastic, and the clothes are made for tall men.
They also have very nice casual wear in a range of styles from preppy to rather chic. Definitely bring along your designated fashion spotter for help with your look for casual wear.
/wife of a 6'4" guy who looks fantastic in his suit from Rochester.
posted by immlass at 9:13 PM on February 24, 2009
They also have very nice casual wear in a range of styles from preppy to rather chic. Definitely bring along your designated fashion spotter for help with your look for casual wear.
/wife of a 6'4" guy who looks fantastic in his suit from Rochester.
posted by immlass at 9:13 PM on February 24, 2009
Personally, I am incredibly jealous of just about everything I see and hear about the store J. Crew. From their website, it appears they have outlets in Georgetown and Chevy Chase.
Also, drop a grand on a really kickass tailored blazer.
posted by turgid dahlia at 9:16 PM on February 24, 2009
Also, drop a grand on a really kickass tailored blazer.
posted by turgid dahlia at 9:16 PM on February 24, 2009
"Do some squats and some deadlifts and drink a gallon of milk a day -- basically, put some muscle on your frame. Then you will be able to find clothes that fit you, because people make clothes for such normally proportioned human beings."
Ugh no. Tall thin people look far more fashionable and can pull off far better looks than average looking frumpy guys. I am probably thinner than you in stature at 6'2" 170lbs and used to have the same problem. To remedy your situation you are going to have to look at designer lines of clothes. Yes, they are expensive, but because most designer brands don't want to design for the average blobby/overly-muscular body (Express or lines in Macy's), you are going to find that most clothes tailor to a slim frame very nicely. Look at brands like Diesel, A.P.C., or Band of Outsiders, just to name a few for casual wear. Those are some more affordable options and designs for younger guys.
Some department store brands like Kenneth Cole often make a few slimmer options in their lines, but those are not carried in department stores because "normally proportioned" men couldn't even fit in them. It's hard to find those unless you order them online or find a store.
Banana Republic always cuts their clothes slimmer and they even stock "Slim" shirts and "Tailored" pants and suits. You can even order "tall" sizes online that are cut slim. (The only regular mall store worth visiting IMO)
Look at European designers and European fashion magazines. Everyone in America looks so frumpy and sloppy when compared to a European style. Most designer clothes from Europe will be cut very nicely to a slim frame, but you might have trouble with the length.
I disagree on bringing any time of friend or girlfriend on your shopping excursion. If you can't tell what looks good on you and what fits properly, then you need some style education. Look at fashion designer websites, specifically at the fully dressed models, and decide what you want to look like. Look at the colors, the layering, how they wear there clothes, the type of shoes they have with each outfit, what belt they are wearing, and COPY that style. You will eventually find what you are comfortable with. I personally base most of my outfits on the images from A.P.C. You don't necessarily have to buy their clothes, but just look at all of the things I mentioned and put an outfit together that resembles the style. Learn fashion rules- don't wear monochromatic pants and shirts if you are a tall guy, you need something to break up your height, learn how to match colors, how to wear brown/black etc. http://men.style.com/gq can help you with some of that. It really does take an interest, time, and education to be a "fashionable" person. Good Luck!
posted by comatose at 9:19 PM on February 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Ugh no. Tall thin people look far more fashionable and can pull off far better looks than average looking frumpy guys. I am probably thinner than you in stature at 6'2" 170lbs and used to have the same problem. To remedy your situation you are going to have to look at designer lines of clothes. Yes, they are expensive, but because most designer brands don't want to design for the average blobby/overly-muscular body (Express or lines in Macy's), you are going to find that most clothes tailor to a slim frame very nicely. Look at brands like Diesel, A.P.C., or Band of Outsiders, just to name a few for casual wear. Those are some more affordable options and designs for younger guys.
Some department store brands like Kenneth Cole often make a few slimmer options in their lines, but those are not carried in department stores because "normally proportioned" men couldn't even fit in them. It's hard to find those unless you order them online or find a store.
Banana Republic always cuts their clothes slimmer and they even stock "Slim" shirts and "Tailored" pants and suits. You can even order "tall" sizes online that are cut slim. (The only regular mall store worth visiting IMO)
Look at European designers and European fashion magazines. Everyone in America looks so frumpy and sloppy when compared to a European style. Most designer clothes from Europe will be cut very nicely to a slim frame, but you might have trouble with the length.
I disagree on bringing any time of friend or girlfriend on your shopping excursion. If you can't tell what looks good on you and what fits properly, then you need some style education. Look at fashion designer websites, specifically at the fully dressed models, and decide what you want to look like. Look at the colors, the layering, how they wear there clothes, the type of shoes they have with each outfit, what belt they are wearing, and COPY that style. You will eventually find what you are comfortable with. I personally base most of my outfits on the images from A.P.C. You don't necessarily have to buy their clothes, but just look at all of the things I mentioned and put an outfit together that resembles the style. Learn fashion rules- don't wear monochromatic pants and shirts if you are a tall guy, you need something to break up your height, learn how to match colors, how to wear brown/black etc. http://men.style.com/gq can help you with some of that. It really does take an interest, time, and education to be a "fashionable" person. Good Luck!
posted by comatose at 9:19 PM on February 24, 2009 [1 favorite]
Um 6' 3" and 185 is firmly in the normal range of BMI. Exercising and building muscle is great, but this guy is not a crazy stick person. Adding 40 pounds actually puts him overweight range, although of course if he just built muscle he would probably look fine.
As for clothes, shop with a friend who has good style- male or female- and let them pick stuff out for you. Don't be afraid to invest in stuff you love (although maybe institute a waiting period on splurges). Try working a little new stuff into your wardrobe at a time, and remember that no one really cares that much about what you wear. I say this because my main problem with trying new clothes is the worry that people will notice I'm changing my look, or think I look silly.
posted by MadamM at 9:19 PM on February 24, 2009
As for clothes, shop with a friend who has good style- male or female- and let them pick stuff out for you. Don't be afraid to invest in stuff you love (although maybe institute a waiting period on splurges). Try working a little new stuff into your wardrobe at a time, and remember that no one really cares that much about what you wear. I say this because my main problem with trying new clothes is the worry that people will notice I'm changing my look, or think I look silly.
posted by MadamM at 9:19 PM on February 24, 2009
Are you fucking kidding me? Guy, let me share something with you that none of the responders have hit on, and if you take it to heart it will change your frickin' life. Here it is:
Judging from everything you wrote about yourself, you are fucking beautiful.
Not only that but everyone else is trying to look like do.
There's more: In twenty years, all your friends will have put their best physical years away fifteen years earlier. But you are still going to be hawt.
The only thing you have to get over is body consciousness. Walk with your chin up at all times. Look people square in the eyes. If you have a face for it, smile. Otherwise, rock 'serious' or whatever expression you see people respond to you think are attractive.
In fact, if you are feeling bold, move to NYC and take up modeling.
And as for closes, where baggy if you must, but you're built for the good - tight - stuff. Girls love tight clothes on guys. Guys love tight clothes on guys. Think classic rockstar, Jagger, Bowie, Plant. And anyone who tells you different can't wear the clothes.
Man, clothes are made and sold worldover because of your body type!
And in case, you are wondering how I know all this stuff it's because your mefi buddy humannaire is 44, 195 lbs, and 6'5. And I didn't start modeling (or being good at basketball) until I was 25. For Macy's! Five years later, I was playing intramural basketball at UC Berkeley.
I could go on but being tall and skinny means you have your whole lifetime to come into your own. Learn to love it or don't. But the fact of the matter is you probably have it going on and don't even know it.
posted by humannaire at 9:49 PM on February 24, 2009 [4 favorites]
Judging from everything you wrote about yourself, you are fucking beautiful.
Not only that but everyone else is trying to look like do.
There's more: In twenty years, all your friends will have put their best physical years away fifteen years earlier. But you are still going to be hawt.
The only thing you have to get over is body consciousness. Walk with your chin up at all times. Look people square in the eyes. If you have a face for it, smile. Otherwise, rock 'serious' or whatever expression you see people respond to you think are attractive.
In fact, if you are feeling bold, move to NYC and take up modeling.
And as for closes, where baggy if you must, but you're built for the good - tight - stuff. Girls love tight clothes on guys. Guys love tight clothes on guys. Think classic rockstar, Jagger, Bowie, Plant. And anyone who tells you different can't wear the clothes.
Man, clothes are made and sold worldover because of your body type!
And in case, you are wondering how I know all this stuff it's because your mefi buddy humannaire is 44, 195 lbs, and 6'5. And I didn't start modeling (or being good at basketball) until I was 25. For Macy's! Five years later, I was playing intramural basketball at UC Berkeley.
I could go on but being tall and skinny means you have your whole lifetime to come into your own. Learn to love it or don't. But the fact of the matter is you probably have it going on and don't even know it.
posted by humannaire at 9:49 PM on February 24, 2009 [4 favorites]
I've got the same proportions, except due to a whole lot of lifting and running, I've ended up with very broad shoulders to add to the long-arm, tall-torso, thin waist, and yeah, it's very hard to find clothes that fit sometimes.
I'd suggest trying the Spanish chain Zara-- they have a relatively limited men's clothing (in comparison to woman's), but they seem to have clothes that (as quite a few people have mentioned) are cut to European style/frames so I can usually find something that fits, and their styles range from semi-formal (suits/blazers) to casual.
Good luck!
posted by Seeba at 10:08 PM on February 24, 2009
I'd suggest trying the Spanish chain Zara-- they have a relatively limited men's clothing (in comparison to woman's), but they seem to have clothes that (as quite a few people have mentioned) are cut to European style/frames so I can usually find something that fits, and their styles range from semi-formal (suits/blazers) to casual.
Good luck!
posted by Seeba at 10:08 PM on February 24, 2009
Also, seconding the notion of a tailor. Find a shirt whose fabric and pattern you enjoy, make sure the arms/length are correct, then have a tailor do the job for the ten dollars (or whatever it'll go for in DC... Houston is about 10 bucks) or what have you. Darting the back, and pinching in the torso will do wonders for the fit.
posted by Seeba at 10:10 PM on February 24, 2009
posted by Seeba at 10:10 PM on February 24, 2009
when i was feeling a need for an extra bit of clothing oomph in my life, i put the sartorialist in my daily blog roll up. it helped me decide that i *really* like scarves. then i started collecting scarves, especially from second hand stores (i don't personally like looking the same as everyone else).
anyways, i'm not recommending scarves, but more the philosophy that discovering your own personal style is important, and can make dressing a whole heck of a lot easier.
posted by bellbellbell at 10:13 PM on February 24, 2009
anyways, i'm not recommending scarves, but more the philosophy that discovering your own personal style is important, and can make dressing a whole heck of a lot easier.
posted by bellbellbell at 10:13 PM on February 24, 2009
My boyfriend is about your height and weight, and he also finds it a huge headache to buy clothes in North America. He has much better luck in Europe. Try to shop at stores that originated in Europe - their designs tend to be more fitted.
I third (fourth?) the suggestion of employing a good tailor. It's so cheap to have shirts taken in. As for sleeve and hem lengths, you just have to be patient and diligent about trying things on before you buy them. Clothes that are long enough without being too wide are out there, they just take a bit more hunting around.
When buying dress shirts, look for ones marked "Slim Fit." My boyfriend has some shirts by CK and BCBG that are perfectly contoured to his torso. He hates dress shirts that pouf out from his waist, and I agree that these shirts look so much better.
Pants and jeans you shouldn't have so much trouble finding! This is the perfect time for you, fashion right now is all about skinny and slim. Guys are even going out and buying girls' jeans these days (ugh!).
Grab a fashionably dressed girl pal, go shopping, have fun. Like others have pointed out, you have a model's build. You should celebrate the fact that you're not the average butterball!
posted by keep it under cover at 3:06 AM on February 25, 2009
I third (fourth?) the suggestion of employing a good tailor. It's so cheap to have shirts taken in. As for sleeve and hem lengths, you just have to be patient and diligent about trying things on before you buy them. Clothes that are long enough without being too wide are out there, they just take a bit more hunting around.
When buying dress shirts, look for ones marked "Slim Fit." My boyfriend has some shirts by CK and BCBG that are perfectly contoured to his torso. He hates dress shirts that pouf out from his waist, and I agree that these shirts look so much better.
Pants and jeans you shouldn't have so much trouble finding! This is the perfect time for you, fashion right now is all about skinny and slim. Guys are even going out and buying girls' jeans these days (ugh!).
Grab a fashionably dressed girl pal, go shopping, have fun. Like others have pointed out, you have a model's build. You should celebrate the fact that you're not the average butterball!
posted by keep it under cover at 3:06 AM on February 25, 2009
I have a similar build to you (although I'm a couple inches shorter) and I've had good luck at H & M. Their clothes tend to be cut skinnier and I haven't had trouble finding taller sizes. Their inventory tends to change a lot though, so you kind of have to show up and get lucky. Also, they're pretty damn cheap. Think of them as the IKEA of clothes--cheap, fairly stylish, but it'll probably fall apart after a year or two.
posted by myeviltwin at 3:07 AM on February 25, 2009
posted by myeviltwin at 3:07 AM on February 25, 2009
This is a hard question to answer. People can and have pointed you towards tailors and designer brands. However, nobody knows exactly what/who you want to look like or how much time and money you are willing to spend. I'll just assume that you're not interested in trawling fashion blogs but you are willing to lose some disposable income on some well made, nicely fitting but not too flashy clothing.
I'd recommend looking at brands such as A.P.C. (already mentioned and linked), Filippa K and Acne Jeans. Generally these brands put out clothes that are neat and well fitting for people of your build. Despite my attraction, I reckon some of this stuff is kinda overpriced and not as well made as I would like to believe. I mostly browse their collections and buy elsewhere but with the same-ish look in mind. However, if you've some free cash you can save yourself a lot of time. You will look very nice but maybe not that unique.
It's a cop out, I know. But finding a group of people or a bunch of brands to imitate is the easiest way of dressing well. When you start to build your confidence/ability/investment in looking good then you can start doing your own crazy thing.
posted by quosimosaur at 6:12 AM on February 25, 2009
I'd recommend looking at brands such as A.P.C. (already mentioned and linked), Filippa K and Acne Jeans. Generally these brands put out clothes that are neat and well fitting for people of your build. Despite my attraction, I reckon some of this stuff is kinda overpriced and not as well made as I would like to believe. I mostly browse their collections and buy elsewhere but with the same-ish look in mind. However, if you've some free cash you can save yourself a lot of time. You will look very nice but maybe not that unique.
It's a cop out, I know. But finding a group of people or a bunch of brands to imitate is the easiest way of dressing well. When you start to build your confidence/ability/investment in looking good then you can start doing your own crazy thing.
posted by quosimosaur at 6:12 AM on February 25, 2009
You can browse my comment history for posts about my 6'4", 180 lb husband's search for clothes that fit. He's been taking more and more clothing to tailors - dress shirts, suits, and jeans.
What I'd add here is that for casual outfits, your shoes can make a world of difference. Sweater, jeans and a pair of interesting, well-made boots will looks worlds better than a sweater, jeans, and battered tennies. Plus, no frustration with body type when buying shoes.
posted by Squeak Attack at 7:04 AM on February 25, 2009
What I'd add here is that for casual outfits, your shoes can make a world of difference. Sweater, jeans and a pair of interesting, well-made boots will looks worlds better than a sweater, jeans, and battered tennies. Plus, no frustration with body type when buying shoes.
posted by Squeak Attack at 7:04 AM on February 25, 2009
I'm 6', 145 pounds. I feel your pain.
- "Slim fit" shirts are often still too baggy for me, but a tailor can dramatically improve the appearance of a garment. Get shirts (dress and casual) that are long enough for you and fit OK. Take them to a tailor, and they will look like . This is an especially nice opportunity with thrift-store clothes, especially thrift stores in upscale neighborhoods. There was a pretty good feature in GQ in which they grabbed a bunch of young men going to work and showed how much better they'd look in clothes that aren't too big:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_7790
I know you're talking about casual wear, but the same principle applies: the most important thing about clothes is how they fit.
- Custom made shirts are even better than that. There are probably tailors in town who will custom- make a shirt for $100 or less. I had the good fortune to take a trip to Thailand and visit a tailor. He kept my measurements, so I can email anytime and order beautiful custom shirts for $40 a pop, and suits for about $350. I can't recommend a trip to Thailand just for the tailoring, but it's a pretty nice side benefit of a lovely trip.
- There's not a thing wrong with a wardrobe that's pretty basic. If you do decide to read fashion magazines, you'll see how hard it is to come up with something original to say about men's fashion every month. Our clothes don't change much. I hear "3 sweaters, 6 t-shirts, or 3 dress shirts with blue jeans", and I don't think that sounds too bad. If you're wearing reasonably nice shoes- say, black cap-toes, dark brown wingtips, or minimalist sneakers- you might be doing better than you realize.
posted by Clambone at 7:21 AM on February 25, 2009
- "Slim fit" shirts are often still too baggy for me, but a tailor can dramatically improve the appearance of a garment. Get shirts (dress and casual) that are long enough for you and fit OK. Take them to a tailor, and they will look like . This is an especially nice opportunity with thrift-store clothes, especially thrift stores in upscale neighborhoods. There was a pretty good feature in GQ in which they grabbed a bunch of young men going to work and showed how much better they'd look in clothes that aren't too big:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_7790
I know you're talking about casual wear, but the same principle applies: the most important thing about clothes is how they fit.
- Custom made shirts are even better than that. There are probably tailors in town who will custom- make a shirt for $100 or less. I had the good fortune to take a trip to Thailand and visit a tailor. He kept my measurements, so I can email anytime and order beautiful custom shirts for $40 a pop, and suits for about $350. I can't recommend a trip to Thailand just for the tailoring, but it's a pretty nice side benefit of a lovely trip.
- There's not a thing wrong with a wardrobe that's pretty basic. If you do decide to read fashion magazines, you'll see how hard it is to come up with something original to say about men's fashion every month. Our clothes don't change much. I hear "3 sweaters, 6 t-shirts, or 3 dress shirts with blue jeans", and I don't think that sounds too bad. If you're wearing reasonably nice shoes- say, black cap-toes, dark brown wingtips, or minimalist sneakers- you might be doing better than you realize.
posted by Clambone at 7:21 AM on February 25, 2009
I'll second reading The Sartorialist on a regular basis. The more you see, the more you'll begin to figure out what you like and what you don't. Also, go pick up a copy of Alan Flusser's book "Dressing The Man." Read it. You'll realize that everything fashionable is a play on simple elegance and basic prinicples. Once you understand them, you can pull together combinations that look great, and individual pieces that are well designed (which isn't always the same thing as expensive).
posted by NotMyselfRightNow at 7:22 AM on February 25, 2009
posted by NotMyselfRightNow at 7:22 AM on February 25, 2009
I'm 6'3" and weigh 230 nowadays. However, back in my college days, I was 185, so I can sympathize.
Anyway, my particular problem is that I have long legs and a bubble butt, and large thigh muscles from all the bicycle riding I used to do. I have a hell of a time finding jeans. However, last week I was victorious! It turns out that Lucky Jeans makes a variety of different cuts and lengths of jeans, that are long enough for me.
I bought two pairs of their 181 jeans last week. They're mid-rise, which brings the waist up so it fits me properly, and they have about 4% spandex in them, which is more forgiving of my round posterior and big thighs. They're also long enough that I don't look like I'm wearing high-waters! (I may sound like I'm gushing. I am. It's been years since I found jeans that fit me this well.)
However, since you say you're thin, never fear! Lucky also makes various shades of slim/relaxed/long/extralong jeans. Go check 'em out.
Also, check out the designer apparel section at Nordstrom. You'll be able to find clothes there for the same reason I can't. They cut the clothing slimmer, which doesn't fit my pudgy need-to-lose-25lbs frame, but probably will work out much better for you. (I got my jeans at Nordies too, so you can possibly one-stop-shop)
posted by Fleebnork at 8:14 AM on February 25, 2009
Anyway, my particular problem is that I have long legs and a bubble butt, and large thigh muscles from all the bicycle riding I used to do. I have a hell of a time finding jeans. However, last week I was victorious! It turns out that Lucky Jeans makes a variety of different cuts and lengths of jeans, that are long enough for me.
I bought two pairs of their 181 jeans last week. They're mid-rise, which brings the waist up so it fits me properly, and they have about 4% spandex in them, which is more forgiving of my round posterior and big thighs. They're also long enough that I don't look like I'm wearing high-waters! (I may sound like I'm gushing. I am. It's been years since I found jeans that fit me this well.)
However, since you say you're thin, never fear! Lucky also makes various shades of slim/relaxed/long/extralong jeans. Go check 'em out.
Also, check out the designer apparel section at Nordstrom. You'll be able to find clothes there for the same reason I can't. They cut the clothing slimmer, which doesn't fit my pudgy need-to-lose-25lbs frame, but probably will work out much better for you. (I got my jeans at Nordies too, so you can possibly one-stop-shop)
posted by Fleebnork at 8:14 AM on February 25, 2009
n-thing sartorialist, but I'll add that if you want something targeted at you - the 20something male with money & interest, go ahead & read Esquire & GQ. They'll provide, unlike sart, a mix of photos and specific advice (brands, styles). The advice may be explicit enough to fit your needs, but at the very least, you can flip through and say "Ugh, I'd never wear that" or "Huh, I guess that'd look good on me". You don't HAVE to buy exactly what they feature. It's more of a starting point than a set of instructions.
posted by knile at 8:18 AM on February 25, 2009
posted by knile at 8:18 AM on February 25, 2009
I'm a wee elf with boobies so I can't recommend any stores or brands that cater to the skyscraper-esque male, but along with the suggestions to read The Sartorialist, here is some inspiration:
The Sunday Best: Ok, Thomas isn't the tallest homeboy in the world, but he's slim and his clothes are always fitted impeccably, and he has the flyest, slickest, least pretentious style I've ever seen on a gent. You can skip right to his outfit photos here, but the blog has lots of product recommendations.
Dapper Kid: Much closer to your body type. Maybe a little more foppish/hipster than you're willing to go, but throwing in a few unexpected touches (ex: sick sneakers with a sartorial ensemble) will help you appear more stylish and younger if you don't want to look like a clone from GQ.
posted by Juliet Banana at 8:21 AM on February 25, 2009
The Sunday Best: Ok, Thomas isn't the tallest homeboy in the world, but he's slim and his clothes are always fitted impeccably, and he has the flyest, slickest, least pretentious style I've ever seen on a gent. You can skip right to his outfit photos here, but the blog has lots of product recommendations.
Dapper Kid: Much closer to your body type. Maybe a little more foppish/hipster than you're willing to go, but throwing in a few unexpected touches (ex: sick sneakers with a sartorial ensemble) will help you appear more stylish and younger if you don't want to look like a clone from GQ.
posted by Juliet Banana at 8:21 AM on February 25, 2009
im 6'4 and 190lbs so i feel your pain.
it seems you've got some good advice already. i recommend looking for more european designers.
i shop at h&m a lot - they have a slimmer cut for shirts but will have good sleeve length. and i dont have to wear a potato sack for the sleeves to fit. they have good higher end shirts for $40 and lower end for around $20.
Zara is a good option as well.
i frequently check out discount stores like marshalls and filenes basement for designer clothing on a budget
but to be honest... i just try a lot of stuff on at a lot of different stores looking for the right fit (i tried 30 winter coats before finding something my marc jacobs and about the same for suits before finding hugo boss) - its frustrating but eventually you will start building up a wardrobe that you can mix and match more with.
read esquire, gq and the sartorialist, dont be afraid to accesorize (the right hat or scarf can make the difference between plain and interesting)
but most of all i just pay attention to people around me. you live in a city so you have access to ideas all around you. the next time you see a guy you think is well dressed, just try to pay attention to what it is that you like.
posted by gully at 10:08 AM on February 25, 2009
it seems you've got some good advice already. i recommend looking for more european designers.
i shop at h&m a lot - they have a slimmer cut for shirts but will have good sleeve length. and i dont have to wear a potato sack for the sleeves to fit. they have good higher end shirts for $40 and lower end for around $20.
Zara is a good option as well.
i frequently check out discount stores like marshalls and filenes basement for designer clothing on a budget
but to be honest... i just try a lot of stuff on at a lot of different stores looking for the right fit (i tried 30 winter coats before finding something my marc jacobs and about the same for suits before finding hugo boss) - its frustrating but eventually you will start building up a wardrobe that you can mix and match more with.
read esquire, gq and the sartorialist, dont be afraid to accesorize (the right hat or scarf can make the difference between plain and interesting)
but most of all i just pay attention to people around me. you live in a city so you have access to ideas all around you. the next time you see a guy you think is well dressed, just try to pay attention to what it is that you like.
posted by gully at 10:08 AM on February 25, 2009
Look tiburon, I can't give you 6'3" / 185 and classy but I can certainly throw 6'4" / 190 at ya. I am not fat, I am not thin either. I'm a normal size for someone my height. I run, I cycle, I'm just not bulky. I certainly don't need 40 more pounds on my frame, even if most of it is muscle. And I'm sure as hell a lot healthier now than I was in my 20s, when I weighed more. Nobody I have talked to has told me I am too thin. None of my doctors has ever said anything. In fact when I first dropped 30 lbs my doctor was damn pleased. In short, if you want to be helpful in this thread, talk clothes or stop talking. When someone asks "Hey how can I find clothes that fit me?" telling him to start eating more isn't helpful.
And for what it's worth, Express jeans and casual/dress pants seem to be pretty solid for me; long enough but not baggy. The shirts used to be great but lately they seem to all be the striped polos with the insanely large logo on the breast, and I don't like them. Aside from that, yeah, if the sleeves are long enough the rest of the shirt is too loose. Talk to a tailor. Most department stores will have someone who can alter things as needed. I haven't gone this route myself, but have strongly considered it. If I start teaching again I'll likely need to have things tailored. Other than that, your only hope is to look for tall sizes, and by god if you wear ties be sure to buy the extra long ones.
posted by caution live frogs at 11:22 AM on February 25, 2009
And for what it's worth, Express jeans and casual/dress pants seem to be pretty solid for me; long enough but not baggy. The shirts used to be great but lately they seem to all be the striped polos with the insanely large logo on the breast, and I don't like them. Aside from that, yeah, if the sleeves are long enough the rest of the shirt is too loose. Talk to a tailor. Most department stores will have someone who can alter things as needed. I haven't gone this route myself, but have strongly considered it. If I start teaching again I'll likely need to have things tailored. Other than that, your only hope is to look for tall sizes, and by god if you wear ties be sure to buy the extra long ones.
posted by caution live frogs at 11:22 AM on February 25, 2009
Adrian Brody is 6'1" and only weighed 160 BEFORE losing weight to play the Pianist. I think he's attractive.
Johnny Weissmuller, who was an Olympic swimmer before he took on the role of Tarzan, was 6'3" and weighed around 189.
In case you think I'm out of date, that's pretty standard for swimmers today, too: Michael Phelps is 6'4" and weighs 195.
Then there's Eric Bana, Heath Ledger, and Christian Bale, who did bulk up to 220 for Batman Begins but normally runs around 185 (and I think he looks better at that weight)... all thin, tall, attractive men. Give it up, tiburon, you're getting offensive.
posted by misha at 12:22 PM on February 25, 2009
Johnny Weissmuller, who was an Olympic swimmer before he took on the role of Tarzan, was 6'3" and weighed around 189.
In case you think I'm out of date, that's pretty standard for swimmers today, too: Michael Phelps is 6'4" and weighs 195.
Then there's Eric Bana, Heath Ledger, and Christian Bale, who did bulk up to 220 for Batman Begins but normally runs around 185 (and I think he looks better at that weight)... all thin, tall, attractive men. Give it up, tiburon, you're getting offensive.
posted by misha at 12:22 PM on February 25, 2009
A lot of great suggestions already, especially about finding a tailor.
I just wanted to add that once you find basic stuff that fits (or can be made to fit), you should think about color, interest, and accessories.
What colors look good on you (no black, white, brown, khaki, and navy blue are not what I mean)? I have pale skin and dark hair, so I look good in really saturated jewel tones: plum, sapphire blue, deep blood red, and dark emerald greens. Instead of regular neutrals, I like dark grays and other metallics (like gunmetal). You will look better than joe schmo who only has tees in white or black if you can find some colors you always look good in.
Is there something interesting about what you are wearing? Plain well made clothes that fit are fine, but subtle patters, textures, or details will make you look more pulled together. It can be as simple as a jacket with a vintage wash, or metallic details on a shoe, or socks with a funky pattern. Just find something out there that you like. It could be your signature piece.
Accessories are your best friend. They fit already and you can get a lot of mileage out of them. Again this is where you get to show off how you are different from every other guy out there. Here's a list of things you can buy (pretty cheaply) that can make your clothes into an outfit: Hats, sunglasses, scarves, belts, watches, cuff links, messenger bags, socks, and shoes. These are the items you can have fun with. Buy a scarf in one of your knock out colors. Get a belt with an interesting texture and a gunmetal buckle. Wear a casual watch with a wide, distressed leather band (Fossil and Diesel have tons). Get a pair of casual shoes that look like something a rock star would wear. Or whatever your style ends up being.
These are culturally acceptable ways for a young man to express his individual style and personality that other people notice and appreciate. You don't have to change your whole look, you just have to get little things that show off your aesthetic. Have Fun!
posted by CoralAmber at 12:36 PM on February 25, 2009
I just wanted to add that once you find basic stuff that fits (or can be made to fit), you should think about color, interest, and accessories.
What colors look good on you (no black, white, brown, khaki, and navy blue are not what I mean)? I have pale skin and dark hair, so I look good in really saturated jewel tones: plum, sapphire blue, deep blood red, and dark emerald greens. Instead of regular neutrals, I like dark grays and other metallics (like gunmetal). You will look better than joe schmo who only has tees in white or black if you can find some colors you always look good in.
Is there something interesting about what you are wearing? Plain well made clothes that fit are fine, but subtle patters, textures, or details will make you look more pulled together. It can be as simple as a jacket with a vintage wash, or metallic details on a shoe, or socks with a funky pattern. Just find something out there that you like. It could be your signature piece.
Accessories are your best friend. They fit already and you can get a lot of mileage out of them. Again this is where you get to show off how you are different from every other guy out there. Here's a list of things you can buy (pretty cheaply) that can make your clothes into an outfit: Hats, sunglasses, scarves, belts, watches, cuff links, messenger bags, socks, and shoes. These are the items you can have fun with. Buy a scarf in one of your knock out colors. Get a belt with an interesting texture and a gunmetal buckle. Wear a casual watch with a wide, distressed leather band (Fossil and Diesel have tons). Get a pair of casual shoes that look like something a rock star would wear. Or whatever your style ends up being.
These are culturally acceptable ways for a young man to express his individual style and personality that other people notice and appreciate. You don't have to change your whole look, you just have to get little things that show off your aesthetic. Have Fun!
posted by CoralAmber at 12:36 PM on February 25, 2009
Mod note: few comments removed - question is about dressing not eating, thank you
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:01 PM on February 25, 2009
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:01 PM on February 25, 2009
Response by poster: Wow.
I honestly REALLY REALLY appreciate the feedback.
I feel much better about my situation now.
posted by decrescendo at 3:32 PM on February 25, 2009
I honestly REALLY REALLY appreciate the feedback.
I feel much better about my situation now.
posted by decrescendo at 3:32 PM on February 25, 2009
You are the m-----f----- man! Knock 'em dead!
BTW, age 44!
posted by humannaire at 8:03 PM on February 25, 2009
BTW, age 44!
posted by humannaire at 8:03 PM on February 25, 2009
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I'd tell the guy exactly what you wrote above. Be honest. Ask him to look at a couple of outfits on mannequins with you, so you can show the styles you like.
It's even better if you can bring along a trusted friend to give the "ooo I like that"s and "I'm not feeling that one"s.
Carve out at least an hour for the exercise, but I'd recommend two. When you find the right guy and he gets your look and you have the cash, you can easily get a full two-week wardrobe.
Be prepared to feel like you look stupid in some of the stuff you are trying on. If you don't like it, don't worry - just explain the parts you don't like or how you feel it would be better, if you can.
Good luck, and have fun with it!
posted by thatguyonmf at 8:11 PM on February 24, 2009