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Thunderbird Login Failed

missmagenta — Sun, 12 May 2013 07:40:42 -0800

Since yesterday I can't send emails from thunderbird. Every time it says "Login to server mail.mydomain.co.uk failed". I was sending emails fine on Friday but since yesterday I haven't been able to send any emails. I can send them fine from my home and from my webmail account, its just thunderbird that's having the problem.
I've tried re-entering the password but that makes no difference. Version is 17.0.5

Thunderbird and Outlook Contact Sync

chirico — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:54:26 -0800

How can I sync my work Outlook contacts to Thunderbird? I've been looking everywhere and can't figure this out. I know I can export the address book, but I'd rather sync it, so that my Global Address List is synced with Thunderbird? I'm at a loss. Thanks!

Will these Macs play nice together?

broadway bill — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:21:11 -0800

I have an iMac desktop running OS X 10.6.8 and a newly acquired MacBook Air running 10.8.2 and I want to make them be as friendly with one another as possible. Can you hope me? Mostly, I want to know what the most seamless way to make my mail work between the two is. I've been using Mac Mail on the iMac (with my riseup.net account) and it works well. On the air, I've been using Thunderbird with the same account. I think I like Thunderbird more than mac mail. I would love it if the two instances of Thunderbird (one on each machine) could operate in tandem; I delete an email on the iMac, it is automatically deleted on the air, etc.

Is that possible, or am I the tech idiot I have always thought myself to be?

What other cool things can I do with these things?

Also, I rather like the version of OS X on the air. Can I upgrade the iMac to that version for free or cheap?

Boy, I'm really bad at getting computers 'putin.

Maddening email client issue.

mireille — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:56:32 -0800

I'm having trouble with Thunderbird connecting to incoming/outgoing servers, but only intermittently. I can't for the life of me figure out how/where to isolate the problem. Can you help point me in the right direction? I'm going crazy trying to solve this.

Thunderbird is intermittently able to send and receive. Occasionally it can retrieve messages from the POP server but not send via SMTP. Sometimes both work, sometimes neither works. This changes repeatedly over the course of the day. Webmail works; it's just not pulling the messages off of the server, and occasionally claiming that the settings need to be checked for outgoing. The thing is, it works some of the time, then stops. If I restart my computer I can usually get 15-30 minutes of proper functioning, but then it just starts hanging or kicking up the error message.

I have done just about everything I can find on various forums (I'm not the only one with this problem)-- changing ports/SSL settings, uninstalling/reinstalling Thunderbird, turning on/off all my various firewalls and security settings. (I'm running AVG, Windows Security Essentials, and the installed Windows firewall). I have no trouble reaching web pages in any of my browsers. My husband (with whom I share an office) has precisely the same Thunderbird default settings that I'm using (I set it up on his machine) and is experiencing no problems-- neither on his work computer nor his home computer nor the default Android email client on his phone.

The thing is, it IS working on my machine with firewalls activated and default settings enabled--- just not all the time. This is the part that's crazy-making! The problem persists whether I'm at home or at work (two different ISPs/routers). GoDaddy of course claims that it's a client issue and not a server-side problem.

Other possibly relevant factors/issues I'm having:
--- Filezilla is having the same problem-- can connect some of the time to the server I need to access but only intermittently.
--- My bank tells me that there's probably some phishing malware on my computer as they've had to deactivate my debit card twice because they've detected potentially malicious activity. Neither AVG nor Microsoft Security Essentials are finding anything on my machine. If this isn't relevant, then it's a question for another day.
--- YouTube videos crash my computer-- possibly a Flash issue (probably unrelated to this problem)

I had this problem to a lesser degree over the last year or so but when we replaced our work router it cleared up the problem for a couple of weeks. It has only become unmanageable/unworkable over the last week. Complaints on the GoDaddy support pages indicate that many other users have been having trouble over the past week as well, but GoDaddy claims that since webmail is working then their responsibility is covered.

Do you have any idea, based on these details, where I should start to look for the problem? I'm sure I've missed some relevant details but I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks!

Whats wrong with Apple Mail IMAP

vacapinta — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:04:05 -0800

Migrating from Thunderbird to Apple Mail (on OSX Lion). Apple Mail takes about an hour to get messages from the IMAP server whereas Thunderbird gets them instantly. What may be going on? Same IMAP server of course. I was on Thunderbird this morning.
I decided to switch to Apple Mail, got all my IMAP settings in, retrieved existing messages. Fine.
Then I noticed that the timestamp for new messages coming in were anywhere from half an hour to hour earlier.

To test this, I emailed something to myself from another email account. Waited. An hour later, It still hadn't arrived. I tried "Get New Mail" and "Synchronize". Still nothing. I restarted Apple Mail. Nothing.

For kicks, I fired up Thunderbird and it retrieved the email message immediately.

Whats going on? Is there an Apple IMAP client setting that I haven't set correctly? The mail does arrive but it is very delayed.

Thunderbird implodes

princeoftheair — Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:45:27 -0800

Thunderbird receiving blank or scrambled messages. Can I save them and how do I fix this? A couple of weeks ago I started getting emails that were completely blank (body, subject, sender, receiver, etc). Sometimes an email will have the body of another message or some code/information that I can't decipher, but the code is always the same.

I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling (deleting everything but the profile), looked for various fixes online that addressed this, but none of them have worked and just suggest a reinstall. Ideally, I would like to save my profile, but if there is something wrong with that, then I'd be happy to start over from scratch if I can save the emails I have. This is a work computer on which I receive up to 1000 emails per day, so it's important that I can keep my messages and save the ones that are "blank".

I checked the previous question here, but when I tried that the problem remained. Yesterday, Thunderbird decided to start up with two instances and closing either closes both. Sorry I can't provide too much information other than it's WinXP and the Thunderbird 17.0. Thanks.

Have they read it?

gman — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:37:00 -0800

For the life of me, I can't find where Thunderbird keeps track of whether or not an email I've sent has been read. Yes, I get read receipts, but I remember in Outlook, I could check to see who read a particular message. Is this available in Thunderbird? And if not, is there an add-on that does it? The one Mozilla suggests is way old, and won't work with the current version. Thanks.

What is best setup for Thunnderbird+Lighting sync?

curiousleo — Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:23:34 -0800

I want to organize all my email+calendar+tasks On & Off line. What is best setup for Thunderbird+Lighting+Gmail+Google Calendar sync? Before your suggestions, I am set on using Thunderbird & Gmail. *No Outlook*
This is what I've done so far.

1. Setup latest Mozilla Thunderbird to sync with my gmail accounts.
2. Added Zindus to sync my gmail contacts.
3. Added Provider plugin to sync my main gmail calendar.

I thought this should do what I would want... but some details are bugging me and couldn't find good answers for following questions.

1. How do I sync gmail contact's from google calendar with Lighting?
** During setup, it will not take my password like when I setup main gmail calendar. *I can setup holidays from Thunderbird's own holidays but wouldn't it double the events after sync with gmail calendar?

2. Is it possible to keep the synced events from online be saved to offline Thunderbird so if I close my gmail account in the future, I would still have event records on hand?

3. gmail calendar has contact's birthday event showing in gmail calendar... but I can not add gmail contact's birthday events in Lighting.
OR could I enable my gmail synced thunderbird contact list's birthday to be shown up in my Thunderbird calendar?

4. I am paranoid about loosing my old messages, event records, tasks.... as I frequently go back and check my old events and messages even years back. What is best offline backup scenario for all mail,event,calendar, tasks?

**Once, my laptop broke down and restoring my Outlook data from on & off line was a nightmare and never recovered fully. This time I want to make sure my data is fully backed up or saved all the time somewhere for easy restore.

Thank you ahead for any suggestions.

How to fix (Windows) Thunderbird issues?

juliebug — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:44:10 -0800

Someone I know recently asked me to do a couple of hours of work on her (Windows) laptop and such to help sync up things like calendars with her new iPhone and various and sundry little tasks. Most of this went perfectly well. However, I've encountered two major issues both to do with Thunderbird (which I've never really used). Details within. The first issue is pretty straightforward. She uses Lightning for Thunderbird for her calendar. I exported the calendar, imported it on her Google calendar, then used Provider for Google Calendar to allow her to access the Google calendar from Thunderbird and deleted the local calendar. This is great, everything works, but it hangs for a good 15-20 seconds now and again. I suspect this is the constant synching of the very large calendar. She's willing to forget about Lightning and just use Google's web interface, but surely there's a way to synchronize less frequently or for Lightning not to choke on the very large calendar?

The second issue is very messy.

She has a work email address (she's self-employed) and the format is: firstname@firstnamelastname.com. For simplicity's sake, let's say it's jane@janedoe.com.

Up until recently, this was an actual pop account and so she had a Thunderbird account for her regular email (the one that came with her ISP) and a Thunderbird account for her work email (the jane@janedoe.com address).

Recently, a tech friend of hers (not me) decided that all she really needed was a forward, where jane@janedoe.com pointed to her ISP account (format is j.doe@sympatico.ca).

As such, every time Thunderbird checked mail for jane@janedoe.com, an error message would crop up, because the jane@janedoe.com is just a forwarding address. She asked if we could fix that, I said sure.

I created a new identity for her in Thunderbird under her ISP mail account so she can send mail from jane@janedoe.com and then made the mistake of deleting the jane@janedoe.com account within Thunderbird.

Apparently now all her jane@janedoe.com email is gone, even though much of it is coming in through her j.doe@sympatico.ca address.

a) What the hell did I do? I mean, I know I deleted the account, but did the mail actually get deleted?

b) How likely is it that this recovery process will work? http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_FAQs_:_Recover_Deleted_Account Has anyone had this issue and recovered from it via this method? I don't have the laptop accessible to me at the moment, but will hopefully get back to it tomorrow/Thursday.

c) How do I remove the jane@janedoe.com account without deleting all of the mail? Or get it to just stop checking for mail?

I'm reasonably computer savvy but my experience with Thunderbird is next to nothing and while poking around I didn't see any option to stop checking mail for all accounts even by unchecking "check for new messages automatically" and anything else along those lines.

Bonus gratitude in it for you if you can help me figure out how to make up this error to my client, because I feel really crappy about this error and she's not very technical so she was extremely trusting about the whole process.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

What's the best way to migrate from local to IMAP in Thunderbird?

gman — Fri, 25 May 2012 15:27:50 -0800

I need to migrate about 5gb+ of email from the local folders in Thunderbird to IMAP in Thunderbird. There are a lot of folders and a lot of subfolders, and migrating them "manually" has really been a pain in the ass. I've got about a third of the folders over, but I'd love to hear a better solution that will actually keep the folder structure in place correctly, not randomly. Perhaps there's an add-on for this? Cheers.

More about Thunderbirds! And not the car or the email client

whitneyarner — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:15:46 -0800

Does anyone have any recommendations for books/websites/other resources about Thunderbirds? And I don't mean the car or the email client. I'm looking for anything at all about both the various Native American mythological traditions (Southwestern American in particular) or the cryptozoological urban legends about the things. My Amazon and web searches have, well, mostly gotten me cars, email clients, and turquoise jewelry.

The car that idled way too slow

exphysicist345 — Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:37:09 -0800

The car had run out of gas. When it got gas and finally started, it ran very strangely. How come? The '95 Ford Thunderbird ran out of gas, completely, and was parked on the shoulder when a gallon of gas arrived and was poured into the tank. The starter was cranked, cranked, cranked to pump the gas to the engine. Finally it started, kinda, but sounded very strange. At idle, the sound from the tailpipe was a quiet pum... pum...pum pum....pum... like individual cylinders firing.

Any ideas what was going on? Does running out of gas do something to a a fuel-injected engine? (I don't know what happened thereafter, as I left in my own car.)

Thunderbird on Multiple Machines

washburn — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 18:45:03 -0800

Since I'm frustrated with gmail, I'm thinking of installing Thunderbird to manage my email on three computers (home, office, laptop). Is this a good idea? I've been getting annoyed with gmail, since its "threaded view" doesn't work well for me.

First, regarding gmail: I teach at a university and have to send out group emails sometimes. I find that students and others often reply to group emails when contacting me about unrelated matters, creating "threads" containing material about unrelated subjects. Gmail's "unthreaded" view is pretty terrible--it won't display an icon telling you which email you've replied to, and emails aren't sortable by sender. So both gmail views imho make it too easy for me to accidentally skip replying to some emails.

I have two main email accounts, my gmail one and my university one. I forward the university one to gmail.

What I think I might need to do in order to get control of my email is install Thunderbird on 3 computers--my home desktop, my laptop, and the computer in my office.

How likely is this to produce problems syncing or other issues? Will I be able to send email directly from gmail (from my phone, for example) and have my Thunderbird installs automatically download these emails into the "sent" folder?

How much trouble am I asking for by using multiple Thunderbird installs to access my gmail account? And can I also configure Thunderbird to include the option to send email via my university's email server?

Very grateful for any tips or warnings you might be able to provide.

How to best modfy 800 Thunderbird Prefs.js files?

mrzarquon — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:32:35 -0800

We are doing a campus wide migration to gmail, and that means I have a few hundred thunderbird users who need their settings changed to point to a new imap server (and change their username to username@foo.edu). What is the best way to get this done? They are non technical users, and since I know I am going to be busy with the 5% who manage to still have problems even if the migration goes fine, I'd like to try to automate the settings changes, unfortunately something like Mission Control was not put in place so we can't centrally change settings for users. So right now it looks like it will have to be something that walks a users Doc&Settings folder and changes their thunderbird prefs.js files. I do have access to get GPO and SCCM advertisements that could run the scripts on targeted machines, but getting the script to do the changes is the sticking point (I'm coming from a unix/bash scripting background).

Are there other tools out there that may already do this, or have folks found other ways around this problem?

Gmail + Thunderbird = spamfree email?

quidividi — Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:59:20 -0800

Gmail + Thunderbird = spamfree email? I use gmail (via google apps) for my small company's email. While it is generally good, the inability to permanently block a sender (e.g. businesses who won't remove me from their spam list) is frustrating, especially when the senders keep appearing in the daily quarantine report. Could this be solved by using Thunderbird as an IMAP client (and “whitelisting” the senders in Postini so they don't appear in the quarantine report)? Is there an easier or more elegant solution? TIA.

Export/print many emails to pdf, auto filenames.

neksys — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:22:43 -0800

How can I easily export/print many emails to pdf? I have a metric tonne of email. I am slowly transitioning to a less-paper (not paperless) office. Previously I had been printing emails to dead trees and posting them in client files, since many eyes see the physical files so it made sense for continuity.

Anyways, I have stopped that practice and now save my emails by printing to PDF (I use gmail and thunderbird). The default file name for every print to PDF program I have tried is usually just the email subject (or less helpfully, the browser window title, if using gmail).

I find it most helpful to have more information in the file name. Its a bit of a pain to have to manually write in most of the information, but more importantly for some files I want to go back and archive all the previous emails to PDF.

There must be a simpler way! I just want the ability to print or export to PDF in an automatic format something like " .pdf".

Any ideas?

How to parse date/time in emails using thunderbird

a womble is an active kind of sloth — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:09:06 -0800

How can I relate time and date in the text of emails to my calendar on a mac? I've notice on my apple iTouch that if I read an email, it highlights dates and times, so I can click on them, and put them in my calendar. I use thunderbird on my macbook and was wondering if a comparable plugin existed? For example if I receive an email saying 'let's meet on Monday 30th at 10 am', I could click on the date portion of the text and it would open up an iCal entry.

(I'd prefer to continue using thunderbird on my mac, rather than the apple mail program.)

slow like the post office - help me POP my gmail more quickly

jessamyn — Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:29:20 -0800

Help me POP in the rest of my gmail and figure out what the bottleneck is, please. I'm on a quest to back up my 1.2 GB of gmail. I am using Thunderbird 3.0 on a Mac and POP. This started out like gangbusters. I'm aware that the process works in batches. At the beginning I was able to download about 500 messages at a time and it was set to check mail every five minutes. Then after a few hours it started slowing down, a lot, so that I was only downloading 2-3 messages at a time. These are the same tiny messages as the other ones, so it's not some size-based situation where they're giant messages. I turned Thunderbird off for the last day or so in case there was a daily download limit and I'm still seeing the pokey downloads. I also tried this, for whatever it's worth.

I posted this question [similar issues: 1, 2] over at the gmail help forums and adjusted some things, most importantly the "leave mail on server" option, as suggested. Downloads started going fast again, and then eventually slowed. I'm now at the point where I have 32000 of my 38000-ish messages downloaded. I'd like to get the rest of them at a quicker rate than 60-100 per hour. I do not care about syncing, labels, or using Thunderbird for any other purpose.

What I am interested in is figuring out what is happening and if it's possible to fix/adjust. I am aware there are other ways to back up my gmail. I have read the other gmail/backup AskMe threads. I have read this MozillaZine article. I have done some Googling and searched the gmail support forums. I am assuming at this point that it's some sort of throttling that happens over a longer-than-daily interval and I may need to just suck it up and wait. That's fine, but if there's something I could change to wrap this up, I'd love to do that. Thanks for any advice.

Getting better control over my email

The Winsome Parker Lewis — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:53:24 -0800

How to ignore one mailbox's contents when counting unread messages in Thunderbird? I have three mailboxes set up in Thunderbird 3.1.2 running on Mac OS X. Two of the mailboxes are personal but the third is my business account. The dock icon displays a badge with the number of unread messages, which is a total of the unread counts from all three boxes.

Is there a way to only show the total from the two personal boxes, ignoring the third business one? I tried setting up a filter to mark all work messages as read, but since it's an IMAP account it marked them on the server and they were appearing as read when I received them at the office — not good. I don't care if they appear as read on my home machine only; I need access to that account from home in some circumstances but seldom check it from there.

I'd also be happy if Growl stopped notifying me of work email on this machine. I really only want to be notified of incoming personal messages when I'm at home.

Heard of a Global User Spell Check Dictionary?

Viscouse — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:24:40 -0800

Is there any program/script that can control all User Dictionaries on a machine? You know, when you're typing MetaFilter, and FF tells you it's spelled wrong. You can right-click, and "Add to Dictionary". No sweat. But what about all the other programs I have (Evernote, Thunderbird, Lotus Notes, Excel, Word, etc, etc, etc.). I'm looking for the One User Dictionary To Rule Them All. There is no standard on the user dictionary file format. Which is stupid because it’s simply a list of words. Why not make a single, standard program that syncs all your user dictionaries. All it has to do is scan computer for programs & versions, get the dictionaries (automatically or user-located) and pull them. Combine all the words into 1 list, and then parse it back out into the correct formats. Advanced features could have automatic monitoring, or plugins that have oddball formats. Personally, I have 6 browsers, 2 email programs, Office, Sametime, Evernote, and a couple other programs that all have their own user dictionaries. They’re all on different machines, but with Dropbox support, that issue could go away. Were I a respectable coder I would do it myself. If somehow I’ve neglected to find something like this whilst searching for this solution, PLEASE let me know!

Thunderbird emails being replied to wrong address

LillyBird — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:00:40 -0800

Email replies going to a different address than the one sent from in Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, I have three personal Gmail accounts (that all work fine), and I recently introduced three new accounts hosted by my website (ex: LillyBird@mybusiness.com). The problem I'm having is almost every time I send an email out of an account hosted by my website, the reply comes back to the personal Gmail account that I think is listed as the primary account in Gmail.

Since this started to happen, I made sure to double check what address the email is being sent from, and I always make sure it's from the one I intend to send it from.

I noticed that in the Server Settings menu for these "website hosted" accounts, it's Outgoing Server is set for Gmail - smtp.gmail.com. Is this the problem? If so, I don't know how to change it. I tried using, for example, My Business - mail.mybusiness.com, which is what the provider said to use, but this doesn't work. My emails won't send at all trying to use that.

How do I get replies to just come back to the address sent from? This is creating quite a confusion for some of my clients.

As well, a lot of emails that I try sending out from the website hosted addresses are coming back as "failure to deliver," but I know the recipients' addresses are fine, and if I email them through Squirrel mail on Bluehost, they go through fine.

Does anyone have any thoughts? If so, you're help is much appreciated. And thank you in advance for your attention.

Corrupted Thunderbird Profile?

missmagenta — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:19:52 -0800

Thunderbird is downloading all my emails for the last 9 months (all 6k of them) - help! I have my Thunderbird set to download emails but not to delete them off the server. The last time I opened it up it started downloading 6k emails which is all my emails from the last 9 months (since I moved servers). I assume it has something to do with my computer crashing with Thunderbird open (I don't think thunderbird caused the crash) which I guess maybe corrupted my profile? I didn't get a warning or anything when I started it up but it must have some way of storing which messages its already downloaded and that's what's gone wonky.

Is there any way to fix it?

If there isn't, is there any way to delete any unread messages that were downloaded today? I have some old unread messages (stuff I haven't dealt with yet) so I need to both keep those messages and leave them marked unread.

I lost my tweak!

essexjan — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:47:26 -0800

I lost my Thunderbird tweak. Please help me find it. Windows XP Home. All updates installed (except IE8). Thunderbird 2.0.0.23.

I just had to reformat my desktop PC back to factory settings, I've reloaded FFox and T-bird from MozBackUp, and am in the process of re-customising the computer to my own preferences, one of which is that I like all image files to open as thumbnails. I've changed this in Windows Explorer, so that if I click on any file, everything in it is displayed as a thumbnail, and this is now the default setting.

Except in Thunderbird.

When I create an email, browse to Insert/Image and then select the file, it opens in list form. Like this.

To view the pictures so I know which one to choose, I have to manually select 'Thumbnail' from the view menu.

But what I want is for Thunderbird to open the file to view the images in Thumbnail by default, so when I click on Insert/Image it opens like this.

Now, a couple of years back I came across a fix for this on the web. It wasn't an add-on, it was a tweak, quite possibly to the about:config settings, but I have a feeling it was tweak somewhere else in Windows itself. Of course, I didn't bookmark it at the time, or if I did I can't find it now.

Can anyone help me find this tweak? I reiterate that it's only a Thunderbird issue, in every other area where I need to open an image file, the files are opening to show thumbnails.

How can I get clean html from MS-word, to paste into thunderbird?

ManInSuit — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:53:31 -0800

How can I get clean html from MS-word, to paste into Thunderbird? Sometimes, when I'm sending long emails, I like to compose in my word processor - MS-word (2003 on one machine, 2007 on another), and paste into my email client - Thunderbird.

But when I do, there are all sorts of little (and not so little) formatting hiccups. I gather the problem is mostly that Word uses all sorts of crazy non-standard stuff in its html output.

Is there a way to fix this problem? I way to make word produce cleaner HTML? A tool that will turn Word html into something friendlier? A word-paste-cleanup plugin for Thunderbird?

(And : I know I could compose with Open Office or Google Docs. But mostly I like Word, and would like to keep using it if I can...)

Your chance to help education reform in a third world country

Suciu — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:37:31 -0800

Help! My job requires IT knowledge I don't have. Two questions. I'm doing a very open-ended internship in a third world country. After I arrived it was discovered that I knew more about computers than most people in the office. Unfortunately, I've got two problems that I don't have the knowledge to solve.

1) Network regulation. Is there anyway--without using a server--to block certain traffic on a network at certain times? I know about configuring the basic linksys router over here and services like OpenDNS, but nothing I know is time-constrained. I can't change router settings every day at 3pm or so.

Also, is there any way to stop certain kinds of downloads? (Lots of people are using the network to download movies, music, etc and we have limited bandwidth/month.)

2) Thunderbird to Excel. I'm trying to automate a leave (i.e. vacation) system, and my goal is to have it so that when a specially tagged email hits an inbox, it deducts a certain number of vacation days from an excel worksheet. I'm thinking of using Thunderbird (IMAP) to get emails client-side and then have some kind of program import that data into a nicely configured excel worksheet, but I can't seem to find a suitable plugin or program that would help do this--does anyone know if one exists?

(Or, is there a better way to go about this problem? I'm currently planning on using a gmail inbox with a ton on filters to get email from the worker requesting leave, to HR who confirms that there are leave days remaining, to the manager that approves the leave, and then back into HR's files... my trouble is with tabbing leave days without making anyone work.)