Comments on: Craigslist offer: Scam? Legit?

Question: Craigslist offer: Scam? Legit?

alpha_betty — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:57:26 -0800

Craigslist offer to buy an item I'm selling: Scam? Legit? Am I overreacting?

A few days ago, I posted a wedding dress in the classified section of Craigslist. Someone, we'll call him Rick, replied and asked if the dress was still available. I replied, saying that yes, it was, and to let me know if he had any other questions. I just got an email from him, which says:

"Hi,
I'm glad it's still available. I'm presently on vacation but I will ask my assistant to prepare and mail your payment. And I am sure you will receive it in the next 3 - 6 business days. I will add $10 extra for you to keep it in my favour and also for the delay. I will pay you with Money Order. If this is acceptable by you, Send me your info i.e your full name and address for the payment and also a contact number. Arrangement for pick-up will be after you must have received and cashed the Money Order.
Awaiting your info
Thanks
Rick"

...Something about this tugs at my spider sense. It seems off, somehow (perhaps the vacation + assistant + money order + delayed pickup + offering extra money on top of asking price?). I have googled money order + scam + craigslist a few different ways, and all that comes up as a definite scam is when someone offers to buy something with a money order in the amount over what the item costs, then asks the seller to give them back the extra. I see how this would be a scam and wouldn't fall for something like that - however, this person isn't asking me to return any money. But do people really offer money on top of what you asked? It seems too good to be true... and while I know that when that's the case, it usually is, I can't figure out what the angle could be here. Should I go forward with this transaction?

By: crapmatic

crapmatic — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:04:44 -0800

Counterfeit money order. I'm 95% sure he expects you to ship items, then a week later your bank puts you on the hook for the money order after it bounces. You should accept cash only. If you do the money order, hold the merchandise at least a week to make sure there's not a bounce.

On Craigslist, ANYTHING that sounds like a special circumstance regarding the payment always sets off a red flag for me.

By: drjimmy11

drjimmy11 — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:06:24 -0800

I can't pinpoint the exact scam, but run a mile from this.

The insistence on knowing your full name and address AND phone number and him coming to pick it up is just creepy.

By: box

box — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:09:33 -0800

Tell him you don't want a money order. Counteroffer with this: you'll meet the assistant in a public place, in the next day or two, and exchange cash for dress. If he's not into that, walk away.

By: ouchitburns

ouchitburns — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:09:45 -0800

its probably a scam.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=410477782&tstart=0&mod=1108614676817#moneyorder

also, search "ebay scam money order"

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:13:39 -0800

Scammy. Combination of iffy english, Money Order, extra $10 (whu?) and the assistant makes it zero% likely to be the real deal.

By: Craig

Craig — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:17:23 -0800

Total scam. Always do this stuff in person with cash.

By: Kiablokirk

Kiablokirk — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:18:30 -0800

If you keep the dress, you aren't out a single thing, but if you try to sell it and it is a scam, then you are going to go through a lot of hassles, so in general, it makes sense to default to "no" to any seller that raises your hackles. With something like this, better safe than sorry.

Plus: even if the offer IS legit, then it still sounds like its too much of a pain in the ass to deal with. Why jump through all those hoops? There has to be a more legit and painless sale out there.

By: dirtynumbangelboy

dirtynumbangelboy — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:19:52 -0800

Nope, don't accept money orders for payment via Craigslist. Cash.

By: Beardman

Beardman — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:20:32 -0800

Agree with Jessamyn (and everybody else, but I like her word): scammy.

You'll get other, normal offers. Throw Rick's to the dogs.

By: thilmony

thilmony — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:37:33 -0800

I sell a lot of misc stuff on craigslist and facebook. Try listing 10 items and you'll get 3 of these overnight from different people, but very similarly worded. How many people have assistants buying crappy used laptops (what I sometimes sell) or a $15 tv?

By: belau

belau — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:03:50 -0800

Here's one I got the other day, which we definitely ignored. Very similar, very creepy!

"Hello I really appreciate your response to my email.I want you toconsider
it sold, pls do withdraw the advert from craigslist toavoid
disturbance.I want you to know that i will be paying via bankcertified
check .I will like you to provide me with the following.information to
facilitate the mailing of the check to you .
1.....Full name to write on the check
2.....Full Physical address to post the check
3.....City, State and Zip Code
4.....Home & Cell Phone to contact you
*** Note that the payment will be shiped to your address via UPS NEXT
DAYSERVICE and I will like you to know that you will not be
responsiblefor shipping i will have my mover come over as soon as you
have cashedthe check** Thanks"

By: abirae

abirae — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:07:31 -0800

A friend of mine got a similar offer (price asked and then some, paid as money order) for their van. After they insisted that the buyer actually come in person to test drive the stinky van (it smelled like tuna, and they wanted to make sure the seller knew what they were getting into), they kept getting the same exact vague reply from the buyer and realized it was a scam.

By: belau

belau — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:12:57 -0800

To answer your question about offering extra $, I've done this. I offered a guy double on a neat chair he was selling for way too cheap, and he chose my email out of several. Not sure if this is what I would do if I were the one selling something (usually first email wins), but I was happy to get the chair.

A side suggestion to avoid trouble, even when you sell to a legitimate buyer: for anything I sell on craigslist, I print out my ad, write "sold to (name) , $___ cash received on (date). Final sale - as is". Craigslist can be great, but it can also be a pain.

By: alpha_betty

alpha_betty — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:22:10 -0800

Okay, you've convinced me. Nothing to gain there, and I'll take other avenues if no one else bites on CL. Thanks, everyone.

By: watercarrier

watercarrier — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:22:30 -0800

If you're not in a rush to sell, what on earth do you have to lose here? You don't send it until you receive payment - i.e. after the actual cash from the money order is in your hands. I've had some weird arrangements with buyers and it's always been the same. *Of course you can have XXXX, show me the money and when you do, it's yours.* It's not like he's asking you to send it to him COD.

By: krautland

krautland — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:27:13 -0800

money order? scam!

I would walk away from this offer and if nothing else comes up on craigslist put the dress on ebay instead.

By: loquacious

loquacious — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:03:21 -0800

People with personal assistants don't shop craigslist.

It's a pretty well known scam - and a nasty one that doesn't just rip you off but leaves you liable for the bank charges. Check the links on craigslist and on the confirmation emails for info about the variety of scams people pull on CL.

By: thilmony

thilmony — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:04:54 -0800

For awhile I used to respond to these guys, "sure send me the money" and often they don't even follow through with the fake money order. dumb dumb dumb. I guess if they were smart they wouldn't be doing this scam.

By: EndsOfInvention

EndsOfInvention — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:18:18 -0800

...I will ask my assistant [SCAM SCAM SCAM] ... I will add $10 extra [SCAM SCAM SCAM] ... I will pay you with Money Order. [SCAM SCAM SCAM]

By: fogster

fogster — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:24:11 -0800

I used to work in a small local bowling alley in the middle of nowhere, and all of a sudden we were getting bombarded with calls from people in foreign countries wanting to buy bulk quantities of bowling balls from us. We found the situation laughably implausible, which is why we went on to research what was going on. Besides the fact that it made no economic sense to ship 25 bowling balls to Nigeria, our, "Something doesn't add up" sense was set off, like it was with you. So we researched it a bit...

crapmatic describes how the scam usually works. They'll send you a money order, which the bank will take, as it looks valid. The money's put in your account. You ship the goods, content with making even more than you asked for. But then the processing center realizes that the money order was phony, and the bank takes the money back. You end up back where you started, but without the dress.

And jessamyn put it well. Any of the things about this e-mail that seemed strange, by themselves, might not be a big deal. I've had good luck with money orders in the past (though with buyers with considerable positive feedback), vacations aren't strange, some people have assistants... But all of this strange stuff at once?

If you're not in a rush to sell, what on earth do you have to lose here? You don't send it until you receive payment - i.e. after the actual cash from the money order is in your hands.

That's the problem: bring it to the bank, get your cash. Ship the goods. All good.

And then a week later, the 'originating bank' on the money order (or cashier's check!) gets it and IDs it as a forgery. And they reverse the transaction with your bank, which reverses it with you. And now you, cash in hand, have the money taken out of your bank account. And no dress. I guess you could wait for it to clear the originating bank / processing center / what have you, but even an honest buyer might be put off when you explain that you're going to wait 3 weeks (to be safe) from when the funds clear to ship it.

Tell him you'd love to sell him the dress, but "your assistant" can't ship the dress without cash due to all the money order fraud going around. I'm struggling to come up with a reason he can't come up with the cash. But don't worry, he'll have one.

By: BrnP84

BrnP84 — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:27:24 -0800

SCAM. They always offer more money, ambigous (they never once mentioned the dress) and it's a money order, almost all CL scams are through money orders. Only deal local.

By: alitorbati

alitorbati — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:29:52 -0800

basically anything on craigslist claiming shipping, mail order, and all that other nonsense stuff is a scam. in my experience the most legit responses are usually one liners.

By: CunningLinguist

CunningLinguist — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:30:35 -0800

Yeah, the big neon tipoff is the extra money. No one legit ever offers extra money, but it's a hallmark of the scammer.

By: MattD

MattD — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:14:33 -0800

For everyone who rains contempt upon all the bad, stupid, pathetic scam attempts out there, please remember that they serve a very important auxiliary function: they create marks for the good scams. Good scams rely upon your confidence, and what better way to create confidence than to have a pool people conditioned by checklists of what is, and is not, reliable.

Good scammers are also multi-disciplinary. Anti-scam confidence demands cash only -- what better way to move counterfeit money? Anti-scam confidence demands in-person meetings -- what better way to case your house for robbery? (The list of 32" televisions for sale pretty much doubles as a list of nearly-new-in-box 50" flat panels to steal.) The obsession with Nigerians and bad grammar is also custom built for conmen, who, after all specialize in sounding just right.

By: CheshireCat

CheshireCat — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:59:20 -0800

I realize this question is pretty well answered as being a scam, but I'll add in this offer I got just yesterday from "joy mcfadden" for an item:

hi, thanks for the quick response... Am satisfied with the price and
condition of the item. I will like to make an outright purchase of the
item. I am out of town on a business trip, so i will like to proceed
in issuing out a certified check to you and upon the confirmation and
clearance of payment my shipper will come for the pick-up at your
location. So get back to me with your full name, address, zip code and
phone number so that payment can be mail out asap. let me read from
you today. Thanks. Joy

By: perpetualstroll

perpetualstroll — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:05:23 -0800

I've gotten scam offers like this before and what I do is I keep a separate e-mail account to try and weed them out. If I were in this situation, I'd send him an email saying, yes, I'm glad you're interested in my vintage pair of socks, where are you on vacation? If they respond, then I know for sure it's a scam and I give them a fake address so they can waste some postage.

By: spoons

spoons — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:35:19 -0800

Dodge it. I usually buy/sell CList items this way: cash, meet me here/there, followed up by a phone call to confirm the item, price, time, and place for the exchange. Anything beyond that I go the other way.

By: dityfleur

dityfleur — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:57:06 -0800

ahhh! this just happened to me as well! another give away was the e-mail dr._enter-common-first-name-here_0001@gmail.com... obviously a fake e-mail!

here is the e-mail:

Thanks for the prompt response,,i will love to make an instant purchase and i will want you to send me more pictures if you have it, i do not mind adding an extra $50 for you to take the advert down from criag list so that i can be rest assured that am in hand of the item because i want to present it,and i will be paying via certified check which will be an overnight payment and my Mover will be coming for the Pickup when the payment clears.
So i will need you to provide me with the following information to facilitate the mailing of the check.
1.Your full name
2.Your mailing address be it residential or postal
address
3.Your phone Number

Thanks for your sincerity and unalloyed loyalty.