Comments on: Start in the Red Chamber?

Question: Start in the Red Chamber?

BadMiker — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:17:41 -0800

I want to take the opportunity of an upcoming holiday to take on some challenging reading, I'd really like to try some classical oriental literature but I dont really know where to start. It has to be portable (single paperback volume) suitably annotated and, importantly, readable! I've been recommended The Dream of the Red Chamber but I dont which edition to get or if this is a good choice. Any suggestions would be welcome!

By: Abiezer

Abiezer — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:33:41 -0800

David Hawkes' translation (with John Minford doing the Gao E parts) for Penguin Classics is the English-language version, and don't listen to anyone who tells you different. Others may explicate the odd detail he glosses; only he gives you the spirit of the original.

By: bristolcat

bristolcat — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:52:14 -0800

I have no idea how challenging it is, but I have seen The Tale of Genji recommended on many sites that I read that are related to Japanese culture and history. Written by Murasaki Shikibu, a lady in the Heian court of eleventh-century Japan, it is regarded by many to be one of the first novels ever written.

I was going to purchase it last week for some light summer reading. I picked it up off the shelf and paged through it a bit and realized that it didn't quite fit the "light reading" category. This excerpt from the Amazon description makes me think that it is going to take some concentration to get through:

Supplemented with detailed notes, glossaries, character lists, and chronologies to help the reader navigate the multigenerational narrative, this comprehensive edition presents this ancient tale in the grand style that it deserves.

By: bristolcat

bristolcat — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:58:39 -0800

Also, it isn't exactly Oriental nor challenging, but if you are interested in historic literature, The Literature of Ancient Egypt was fairly compelling when I bought it a number of years ago.

By: silkygreenbelly

silkygreenbelly — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:29:11 -0800

Rickshaw by Lao She

(not Rickshaw Boy)

By: pombe

pombe — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:06:39 -0800

I really enjoyed reading The Tale of the Heike.

By: sinfony

sinfony — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:16:05 -0800

Dream of the Red Chamber is one of the "Four Great Classical Novels" of Chinese literature (see Wikipedia for a full rundown). I had a professor who wasn't so keen on it; he was fond of saying that it was full of "endless quotidian detail". It's the most recent (and thereby least classical) of the four, if that matters to you.

I'd also encourage you not to limit yourself to massive works of fiction. There's a wealth of great classical short stories out there, as well as classical poetry.

While I can't go so far as to recommend particular translations of particular works (it's been a few years since I read any of this, and the particular editions I read now escape me), I would say that it can be very interesting/instructive to read more than one translation. Naturally, this would work better with short works, since the prospect of reading even one translation of one of the massive great novels is daunting on its own. It's especially interesting when reading poetry, where the vast linguistic divide and more stylized form allow for a lot of different interpretations.

By: BadMiker

BadMiker — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:27:28 -0800

Thank you all, your advice is much appreciated. Good recom mendations are as rare as good books!