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		<title>Question: Belgian Beer Road Trip</title>
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		<description>I am planning a Belgian beer road trip for the fall. Any tips? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; The only items that I know I must do is to visit Bruge and get a case of Westvleteren (I am very familiar with the other Trappiste delights so there is less need to hunt them down).  Any other must see and do things?  Is it worth making the trip to other breweries?&lt;br&gt;
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I&apos;ll be driving from the UK and might be considering some camping as well.  If others have done this kind of thing I would love to here about the routes taken.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:17:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: King Bee</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375235</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.specialtybeer.com/brewery,index,verhaeghe.html&quot;&gt;Brouwerij Verhaeghe&lt;/a&gt; in West Flanders. They make an amazing Flanders Red, called &quot;Duchesse de Bourgogne&quot;. If you do not go there and drink this beer, you will regret it forever.</description>
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		<title>By: srboisvert</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375252</link>	
		<description>Heh.  I just had the&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/srboisvert/2537717261/in/set-72157603704048937/&quot;&gt; Grand Cru Rodenbach &lt;/a&gt;two weeks ago.  It was part of a batch of beers from the local Belgium supplying off license and caught me completely off guard.  I had no idea it was a sour ale before the first totally shocking swig.&lt;br&gt;
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Is the brewery itself worth visiting?  Or can I just get this from one of Belgium&apos;s multibeer stocking bars?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:52:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thin Lizzy</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375253</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirstypilgrim.com/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is my friend Joe&apos;s blog on Belgian beer.  He&apos;s an American living in Brussels and writing a travel guide on the breweries of Belgium.  I&apos;d take a look at the recommendations he&apos;s posted and if you have any specific questions, try getting a hold of him in the comments section.  He&apos;s a darn nice guy and really knows a thing or two about beer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:54:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: King Bee</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375255</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve never been to the brewery myself, but I would not pass up the chance to visit the brewery which makes the world&apos;s most refreshing ale.&lt;br&gt;
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You can probably just get the beer in the UK, actually.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:55:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: charmston</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375263</link>	
		<description>Here are a few Belgians that you must sample from the source:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Gulden Draak from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vansteenberge.com/&quot;&gt;Brouwerij Van Steenberge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Brasserie Des Rocs from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abbaye-des-rocs.com/&quot;&gt;Brasserie de l&apos;Abbaye des Rocs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Gouden Carolus Carolus D&apos;Or from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hetanker.be/&quot;&gt;Brouwerij Het Anker&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Trappistes Rochefort 8 and Trappistes Rochefort 10 from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trappistes-rochefort.com/&quot;&gt;Abbaye Notre-Dame de Saint-Remy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Chimay Grande R&#233;serve and Chimay Premi&#232;re from &lt;a href=&quot;http://chimay.be&quot;&gt;Abbaye Notre Dame de Scourmont&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Westmalle Trappist Tripel from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/&quot;&gt;Adbij der Trappisten van Westmalle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;I&apos;m quite obviously a huge fan of Belgian trappist ales, but I&apos;ve never tried one that I didn&apos;t like.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:05:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zachxman</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375287</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s no trappist, but you should definitely visit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cantillon.be/&quot;&gt;Cantillon Brewery&lt;/a&gt;, which &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;[I&apos;ve heard]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt; is the only remaining brewery that makes spontaneously-fermented lambics.  And they&apos;re delicious.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:22:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: YouRebelScum</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375297</link>	
		<description>The sixth trappist beer, Westvleteren, can only be bought at the abbey. I&apos;ve been meaning to get hold of some for years, but they &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm&quot;&gt;make it hard&lt;/a&gt;... You need to phone in advance to book some. Well worth the effort, though, by all accounts.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:30:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: YouRebelScum</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375305</link>	
		<description>Apologies. Didn&apos;t read your post properly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:41:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rabbitsnake</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375355</link>	
		<description>According to this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trajectory.org/hopper/026BEER.cfm&quot;&gt;site&lt;/a&gt;, the St. Bernardus brewery has a bed and breakfast on site. I couldn&apos;t find much on the actual St. Bernardus &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sintbernardus.be/en/index.html&quot;&gt;site&lt;/a&gt;, but it is something to investigate.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:47:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: holgate</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375391</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dedollebrouwers.be/en/bezoek.htm&quot;&gt;De Dolle&lt;/a&gt; in Esen has an &lt;a href=&quot;http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/201/?view=beerfly&quot;&gt;English-language tour on Sundays.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:47:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: poppo</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375433</link>	
		<description>If you need a break from beer for a day, try the National Genever Museum in Hasselt.  Exhaustive detailed history of genever, and a bar and tastes IIRC.  Genever is the juniper-based predecessor of Gin.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:24:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pombe</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375580</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m pretty sure Cantillon is not the only brewery still making spontaneously fermented lambic.  I remember talking to the brewer at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.3fonteinen.be/&quot;&gt;3 Fonteinen&lt;/a&gt; at 24 hours of beer in Antwerp a few years ago and they were doing spontaneously fermented beers then.  I doubt they&apos;d have stopped between now and then.  I believe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boon.be/?c=/home/&amp;l=nl&quot;&gt;Boon &lt;/a&gt;is also spontaneously fermented.&lt;br&gt;
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I&apos;d hit the De Dolle tour - I really like their beers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:34:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhammond</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375639</link>	
		<description>Assuming you&apos;d like to visit some biercaf&#233;s and not just breweries, I left a reply to a recent AskMe about &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/93935/brussels-for-the-first-time#1373735&quot;&gt;good places to visit in Brussels&lt;/a&gt; that might be helpful.  When in Bruges, you would do well to visit the most excellent and unmissable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brugsbeertje.be/index_en.htm&quot;&gt;&apos;t Brugs Beertje&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cafevlissinghe.be/&quot;&gt;Caf&#233; Vlissinghe&lt;/a&gt;, the oldest caf&#233; in Bruges (dating from 1515).&lt;br&gt;
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As far as Westvleteren goes, a beer scholar in Brussels recently mentioned to me that, due to reselling, the abbey only sells three bottles at a time for each vehicle.  I have not personally confirmed this, but I thought I would mention it in the event that you&apos;ve got your heart set on a whole case :-)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:16:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jamescridland</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375649</link>	
		<description>You definitely should visit the &lt;a href=&apos;http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescridland/2541478846/&apos;&gt;Kulminator&lt;/a&gt; in Antwerp. I went recently, and was overwhelmed by a &lt;a href=&apos;http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamescridland/2541476766/&apos;&gt;menu&lt;/a&gt; with over 900 beers in it (no, really). It&apos;s claimed that Westvleteren is sold in there. It isn&apos;t (there&apos;s even a note on each table saying so). But if you fancy something really unusual, it&apos;s a must. Way better than anything I&apos;ve found in Brussels.&lt;br&gt;
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And stay at &lt;a href=&apos;http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g188636-d655590-Reviews-Britselei_37-Antwerp_Antwerpen.html&apos;&gt;Britselei 37&lt;/a&gt;, a wonderful and splendid apartment hotel, and treat yourself. It&apos;s close to the Kulminator, and not that expensive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pmbuko</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375865</link>	
		<description>I feel the need to vote up a visit to Het Anker. They are my favorite Belgian brewery (though I have not yet had Westvleteren).</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:45:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kepano</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1375942</link>	
		<description>How much time are you spending there? I would break it up by geography.&lt;br&gt;
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Spend a day in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Maps/Metro-34.htm&quot;&gt;Brussels area&lt;/a&gt; and visit the lambic breweries, they&apos;re all very close to each other. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/brussels/cantillon-brewery-museum/861.htm&quot;&gt;Cantillon&lt;/a&gt; has a great tour, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/beersel/3-fonteinen/1715.htm&quot;&gt;Drie Fonteinen&lt;/a&gt; has the most amazing beer and food, and depending on how thorough you want to be there&apos;s also Girardin, De Cam, Boon, Hanssens and a couple others that could be interesting too. Of course you could finish in one of the fantastic bars of Brussels such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/state/city/Le-Bier-Circus/510.htm&quot;&gt;Bier Circus&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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I would also spend a day in the west of Belgium (Poperinge/Roeselare/Diksmuide), since you&apos;re going there for Westvleteren anyway. Be sure to call Westvleteren and get a date for your pickup. In the area you&apos;ll find St. Bernardus, which as rabbitsnake pointed out has a b&amp;amp;b. There&apos;s also the AMAZING &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/brewers//struise/9244/&quot;&gt;Struise&lt;/a&gt; brewers. I recommend you contact one of the brewers (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=12307&quot;&gt;Carlo&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=37827&quot;&gt;Urbain&lt;/a&gt;) and I guarantee you&apos;ll spend an amazing time. You&apos;ll also find De Dolle in the same area which is a must see. Rodenbach is also in the area, there are a couple bars around it that are the only places to try their Foederbier (only on tap).&lt;br&gt;
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If you&apos;re in Belgium it&apos;s worth going to Antwerp just to visit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/antwerpen/kulminator/533.htm&quot;&gt;Kulminator&lt;/a&gt;. In fact, you could go to that single place and be satisfied by the trip. It&apos;s very simply the best beer bar in the world. You&apos;ll find everything there, and tons of different vintages too. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Maps/Metro-36.htm&quot;&gt;Antwerp&lt;/a&gt; has a few other places worth checking out. If you want try another fantastic bar that&apos;s closer to the Brussels/Gent area, you have to stop at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/denderleeuw/de-heeren-van-liedekercke/2070.htm&quot;&gt;De Heeren&lt;/a&gt;, they have an amazing vintage list and the best beer cuisine I have ever tasted (try the Roquefort &amp;amp; Rochefort steak).&lt;br&gt;
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If you&apos;re feeling even more adventurous you could go also go to the southeast where you&apos;ll find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/soy/brasserie-fant%F4me/1658.htm&quot;&gt;Fant&#244;me&lt;/a&gt; who give great tours, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Place/belgium/achouffe/brasserie-dachouffe/4816.htm&quot;&gt;Achouffe&lt;/a&gt; which has great beer too. You&apos;ll also be near the trappists of Rochefort, but they are not open to the public. Still, it&apos;s good place to get a cheap case of it.&lt;br&gt;
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Finally, &lt;a href=&quot;http://beermapping.com/maps/maps.php?m=belgium#lat=50.3454604086048&amp;lng=5.60302734375&amp;z=9&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s a good map that can help you further plot your journey. And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/TravelGuide.asp?s=1&amp;BeerStyle=0&amp;CountryID=23&amp;SortBy=0&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is a list of beers you might want to try.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:34:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: srboisvert</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1376939</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;And this is a list of beers you might want to try.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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That ratebeer page seems to be behind a paywall.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:31:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1377088</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;When in Bruges, you would do well to visit the most excellent and unmissable &apos;t Brugs Beertje&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Definitely a great beer bar for the connoisseur.  Lots of aged stuff.  Only Belgians beer.  A random piece of advice on this place: it looks packed all the time, but it&apos;s not really... there are other rooms in back and the front-ones just fill up first.  Also, the street it&apos;s on is fairly impossible to find even when you know where it is, but I don&apos;t have any advice for that.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:32:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: janecr</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1377635</link>	
		<description>Another must visit bar in Bruges is De Garre - there is a very detailed review of bar and the beer (with photos) &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:0i68VlweJeYJ:belgianbeerboard.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D280%26Itemid%3D88888997+de+garre&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=17&amp;gl=uk&amp;client=firefox-a&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. The house beer is 11% and you can only have three glasses of it.  I&apos;ve had two and it had a slightly stoned, slightly hallucinogenic effect - very odd!  You can visit the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.halvemaan.be/&quot;&gt;Halve Maan&lt;/a&gt; (formerly Straffe Hendrick) brewery in Bruges, but De Garre is better...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:43:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kepano</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1377644</link>	
		<description>@srboisvert Oops! It looks like that&apos;s a paid feature indeed, maybe &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/TopBeersByCountry.asp?CountryID=23&quot;&gt;this list&lt;/a&gt; (or &lt;a href=&quot;http://beeradvocate.com/top_beers?this_cId=&amp;this_style=&amp;cId=BE&amp;style=&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; will work for you?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:55:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sixpack</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/94061/Belgian-Beer-Road-Trip#1378872</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve been to all the Trappist monasteries in Belgium except Achel. Hands down, the most beautiful is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.orval.be/an/FS_an.html&quot;&gt;Orval&lt;/a&gt;.  The ruins are outstanding and the beer is fresher than and quite different from the variety we get in the U.S. If you go, make sure you stop by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.trabel.com/bouillon/bouillon-castle.htm&quot;&gt;Bouillon&lt;/a&gt;, home of a spectacular fortified 900-year-old castle built into hillside (it was sold to finance the Crusades, later served as a fallback position during the Battle of the Bulge), a nice hotel and a couple good beer cafes.&lt;br&gt;
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In Brussels, have dinner at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spinnekopke.be/&quot;&gt;In&apos;t Spinnekopke&lt;/a&gt;, with very good gueuze cuisine and an excellent beer list. Also, in Brussels, the Skieven Architect near the Justice Palace - they almost always have all three varieties of Westvleteren.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:49:16 -0800</pubDate>
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