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	<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:14:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: How do I negotiate my new salary?</title>
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		<description>What strategy should I adopt to clarify and hopefully increase this job offer? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I have a job, I think it&apos;s a good job, but for various reasons I want to move on.&lt;br&gt;
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I had an interview with the CEO of a smallish company, and I thought it went well.   &lt;br&gt;
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During the 1st interview, the topic of remuneration was discussed, I wasn&apos;t really ready for it, and frankly I think I made too many positive noises too early.  Some figures were mentioned and afterwards I wished I had made my position clearer.&lt;br&gt;
Basically there was some confusion on my part about Base/Package.&lt;br&gt;
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I was tempted to call back to clarify it, but I didn&apos;t want to sound over confident.&lt;br&gt;
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They followed up with a reference check, and finally a telephone interview with a senior technical consultant.   All went well and they made an offer today.&lt;br&gt;
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The offer is exactly what the numbers mentioned by the CEO.&lt;br&gt;
Looking at the offer, they have included Super (pension) in the Base.&lt;br&gt;
That&apos;s a significant amount, say, at least 8% of Base.  Maybe more but they have not indicated how much Super they offer (why?).&lt;br&gt;
It&apos;s not really normal to roll these numbers together, quite unusual actually.&lt;br&gt;
Also, regarding the bonus, it&apos;s KPI linked, but the KPIs will be thrashed out during the probation period.&lt;br&gt;
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So my question is how do I approach these discussions?&lt;br&gt;
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In my initial conversation with HR, I stated a minimum base.&lt;br&gt;
In my mind Base does not include anything else.&lt;br&gt;
The CEO may well believe we had an agreement in the first interview.&lt;br&gt;
The at risk component is quite significant, so I feel they have room to move.&lt;br&gt;
Should I offer to give up potential bonus, for more base salary?&lt;br&gt;
Should I mention it&apos;s not usual to include super in the salary?&lt;br&gt;
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There no point moving for the offer they have presented, but I like the role, I think it will suit me, and they are keen to fill the role.   They have been with out this role for at least a month and already feel standards are dropping.&lt;br&gt;
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My gut feeling is they can and might meet my minimum salary expectations, I just don&apos;t want to stuff it up with my lack of negotiation experience.&lt;br&gt;
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Sorry for the rambling back story, I hope it&apos;s coherent enough.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:56:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>matholio</dc:creator>
		
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		<title>By: Mutant</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92959/How-do-I-negotiate-my-new-salary#1360714</link>	
		<description>Ok, good news is you&apos;ve gotten an offer!  Now you can start to negotiate keeping in mind, that time isn&apos;t really on your side - you can&apos;t drag this out for too long without muddying the water or, worst case, risking having the offer rescinded.&lt;br&gt;
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Here&apos;s how I&apos;d play it: find out who the key decision maker is (i.e., CEO or HR), then arrange a face to face (please, no email / phone calls for this) and put your key concern (if I&apos;m reading it correctly) cash compensation on the table.  Find out &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; what your base salary gross will be.  You can then back into net and see how that works for you.&lt;br&gt;
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Can you clarify &quot;at risk&quot;?  &lt;br&gt;
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Potential bonus for money cash?  Hell yeh!  Bonus is almost always (in banking at least) contingent not only upony &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; performance but also your team / department / division / firm.  I&apos;m pretty risk adverse, and want to succeed or fail on my &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; merits.  So I always negotiate higher base.  &lt;br&gt;
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In terms of the KPIs, don&apos;t sweat it.  As they&apos;ll be thrashed out during probation, you&apos;ll be in strong position to insure these are SMART objectives (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic and Targetable).  In fact I&apos;d insist that 80% of the KPIs are just &lt;i&gt;doing the job&lt;/i&gt;, while 20% represent stretch.  &lt;br&gt;
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And don&apos;t worry about going in and talking to people.  This happens all the time, nothing unusual.  Both of you need to make sure this fits and that you&apos;re comfortable with the situation going forward.  &lt;br&gt;
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After all, they&apos;ve spent a fair amount of money (recruiting costs, direct interviewing time, probably failed interviews you&apos;re not aware of) so far, and aren&apos;t likely to walk away from the process if you&apos;ve got some questions you&apos;d like clarified. &lt;br&gt;
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In my banking job I do a lot of hiring (and alas, firing from time to time) and someone asking questions is a total plus, in my book.  Shows attention to detail and a focus on &lt;i&gt;making this work&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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Hope this helps!</description>
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		<title>By: matholio</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92959/How-do-I-negotiate-my-new-salary#1362285</link>	
		<description>&lt;br&gt;
Thank you, your advice helped me feel confident when talking to them.&lt;br&gt;
I basically said the right figure is somewhere between our understanding of Base, words to that affect.&lt;br&gt;
I hope to hear back tomorrow.&lt;br&gt;
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Anyway, I appreciate your response.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 06:25:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>matholio</dc:creator>
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