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	<title>Comments on: U-Lock Saw</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: U-Lock Saw</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw</link>	
		<description>How do I liberate my bike from a U-lock? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; A few weeks ago, I locked my bike in front of my gym and went inside. I lost the key, somehow, and after contacting Kryptonite customer service for help, it seems as if I don&apos;t have the requisite paperwork to get them to make me a new key. Local locksmiths are asking somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 to come saw the lock off... I do, however, have access to lots of power tools, and am wondering if anyone has had to saw through a U-lock before and could offer advice. It&apos;s this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&amp;scid=1000&amp;pid=1108&quot;&gt;lock.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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By the way, I fully recognize that this looks pretty sketchy, but all I can do is assure you that it&apos;s my bike, it&apos;s been sitting in front of my gym for weeks, and well, the bike really isn&apos;t worth that much to begin with...&lt;br&gt;
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Thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:52:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: browse</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350882</link>	
		<description>There are two common ways to crack that type of lock.&lt;br&gt;
Thieves tend to use a small car scissor jack to bust open the lock. Simply place it inside the two parallel bars of the U and start opening the jack.&lt;br&gt;
The second approach works if your lock was one that has a round key barrel. Using a cheap Bic-style pen, you can pop open that lock. There are videos on YouTube that will demonstrate this technique.&lt;br&gt;
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Good luck!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:58:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: buggzzee23</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350884</link>	
		<description>My reciprocating saw would be my 1st choice if I were in your shoes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hattifattener</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350888</link>	
		<description>Is it old enough to use a Bic pen on?&lt;br&gt;
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Some years ago I lost a bike lock key and campus security came by and removed the lock pretty easily with a small &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3112670.stm&quot;&gt;angle grinder type thing&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;
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Other techniques I have heard of, but not seen done, are to put a car jack into the lock and bend it apart; and to douse it in LN2 and whack it with a hammer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:02:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: muddgirl</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350890</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d think you would be able to drill out the lock pretty easily with a cordless drill and a diamond-coated bit (they&apos;re like, a dollar more expensive than a steel bit). There&apos;s really not much advice - it&apos;s a pretty cheap lock. If you have it, a Sawsall or a reciprocating, which is like an electric turkey carver for the home craftsman.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:02:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xotis</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350892</link>	
		<description>How old is your lock? If it&apos;s more than 3 or 4 years old, you might be able to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987&quot;&gt;open it with a pen&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:04:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Your Time Machine Sucks</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350893</link>	
		<description>An acquaintance with an angle grinder made very short work of a heavy-duty bike lock for me when my key broke off in the jammed lock.  It wasn&apos;t a U-lock, but the part he cut through was as thick and reinforced as a U-lock.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:04:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jtajta</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350896</link>	
		<description>Thanks for all the answers - very quick response, too. Anyway, the bic pen trick won&apos;t work, but I&apos;ll get a grinder out there and see what happens.... Keep the ideas coming!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:08:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gnutron</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350900</link>	
		<description>Just a thought... if the gym&apos;s in a mall or shopping center, you many want to contact the local security patrol (or even police) before you start doing something that looks so obviously criminal.  &lt;br&gt;
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&quot;I swear officer, this is MY bike.  Really.  No please, put the handcuffs away.&quot;  is a conversation you want to avoid.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:20:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gnutron</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350901</link>	
		<description>you *don&apos;t* want to have, that is.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:21:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350912</link>	
		<description>Bolt cutters?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: moift</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350917</link>	
		<description>Bolt cutters worked for me when my u-lock jammed. Cutting it off the bike rack in the middle of a busy campus in broad daylight didn&apos;t really seem to raise the concern of any passers-by.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:47:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hogshead</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350927</link>	
		<description>A few years ago a thief with a hammer and screwdriver munged the U-lock on my then-girlfriend&apos;s bike. The carjack technique didn&apos;t work (kept slipping off), and in the end we borrowed a very serious pair of boltcutters that did the trick.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:59:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Forktine</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350931</link>	
		<description>If you know someone with a cutting torch (oxy-acetylene), that&apos;ll slice through the lock in a few seconds. Otherwise, an angle grinder will work fine. The car jack is sometimes good, but that depends on how you locked up the bike -- there needs to be enough space in there for the jack to sit, and not all jacks have the right dimensions for a good fit.&lt;br&gt;
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My guess is that no matter how much noise or sparks you make, no one will say anything or call the police.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:05:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Airhen</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350938</link>	
		<description>When this happened to me in college, the campus police cut it off with something that looked to me like the cutting torch Forktine mentioned. (They did it after I showed them a receipt, not just cause I said it was mine.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:12:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dubold</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350940</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://gothamist.com/2006/07/14/video_of_the_da_27.php&quot;&gt;This video&lt;/a&gt; shows a guy trying various methods of stealing (his own) bike in NYC. An angle grinder does make an appearance.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:14:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: twirlypen</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350949</link>	
		<description>The advice above sounds great.  When I lost the key to my bike, which was parked on one of the busiest intersections in town, I stole it without a problem.  I caught a bus into town with a hacksaw, walked up to my bike, and just started sawing away.  Not a single person stopped me, or even questioned me about it.  &lt;br&gt;
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So yeah, maybe clear it with security first, but don&apos;t be surprised if the average passerby doesn&apos;t care.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:27:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: toxic</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350954</link>	
		<description>2nding scissor jack.  I&apos;ve opened a U-lock with the OEM jack from an 80&apos;s era Subaru, just by putting the jack in place such that it was pushing the two parallel bars in the U apart and cranking away.  Took all of five minutes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:35:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mitheral</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350988</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;jtajta&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&apos;http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1350896&apos;&gt;writes&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;em&gt;&quot;I&apos;ll get a grinder out there and see what happens&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Install a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lehighvalleyabrasives.com/servlet/the-101/4.5%22-x-.04%22-%28Thick%29/Detail&quot;&gt;thin kerf cut off disk&lt;/a&gt; in the angle grinder and you can cut through it in no time (like a warm knife through butter). The standard thick grinding disk involves a lot more work.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:14:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: flabdablet</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1351235</link>	
		<description>Yeah, an angle grinder or circular saw with an abrasive &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abrasiflex.com.au/images/product/bonded/metal-cutting-wheel-lg.jpg&quot;&gt;metal cutting wheel&lt;/a&gt; is the right tool for this job.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:40:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: randomstriker</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1351286</link>	
		<description>Another vote for angle grinder.  Has worked many times for me.&lt;br&gt;
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Don&apos;t use a jack -- if something slips or snaps you could have flying pieces of metal.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:17:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mumkin</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1351306</link>	
		<description>Nthing the angle grinder, if only because they&apos;re so damned fun to use. &lt;em&gt;Such&lt;/em&gt; a satisfying tool. Why wouldn&apos;t you, given the opportunity?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:01:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pinback</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/92244/ULock-Saw#1351812</link>	
		<description>Dunno if I&apos;d use a reciprocating saw - they&apos;ve not much good on truly hard &amp;amp;/or tempered materials. As everyone else has said, use a grinder with a diamond cutoff disc. Alternately, if you don&apos;t have power handy, use a hacksaw with a tungsten carbide or diamond grit blade.&lt;br&gt;
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A locksmith will likely use a diamond cutting wire (aka angel wire), either in a hacksaw frame or just held by hand. If you&apos;re lucky, your local locksmith will sell you an old worn one for a few bucks. We used to buy old ones for work from the local locksmith, and they&apos;d quite happily cut through the tempered shackles of high-security padlocks in under a minute.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 18:04:27 -0800</pubDate>
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