Comments on: "You're very clever, young man, very clever. But it's turtles all the way down!"

Question: "You're very clever, young man, very clever. But it's turtles all the way down!"

Jezztek — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:54:18 -0800

Dear Hive-Mind, Want to help me brainstorm up a list of strange (pre-existing) theories?

Howdy,

I'm working on a new project and I'm just in the brainstorming phase, but I could use a little extra help. I'm trying to think of as many interesting 'theories' that small(ish) clans of people earnestly believe, but pretty much everyone outside these insular groups don't even consider.

What I'm NOT looking for are theories that are still controversial (even if there is a scientific consensus to contradict them, like people that deny global warming or deny evolution).

Basic religious beliefs aren't going to work for me (So please no 'ha ha, Mormons are dumb'), but if they take it to the next level of strangeness they'll work (for example denying evolution is one thing, but believing the devil literally went around with a shovel planting dinosaur bones to screw with our heads is more along the lines of what I'm looking for).

So basically what I need are theories that have an abundance of evidence to contradict them, but still retain some true believers. Conspiracy theories are fine especially if they have an element of the fantastic, but unusual/fantastic explanations for natural/historical events, or just general cosmological strangeness is even better.

And best of all are theories that aren't seriously considered by pretty much anyone, but your average person on the street may have at least heard of (so super obscure theories are a bit less useful).

Some examples:

UFOs visited ancient Egypt and aliens helped build the pyramids
Flat Earthers
The Devil Planted Dinosaur Bones
The Moon Landing Was Faked
"Turtles all the way down"

Thanks much!

By: mkb

mkb — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:03:37 -0800

Nazi UFOs that live in the center of the earth.

By: hortense

hortense — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:06:14 -0800

Saint Anthony's Code

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:09:40 -0800

Hollow Earth.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:14:09 -0800

Fan Death is my favorite hilarious Science Fact.

By: Class Goat

Class Goat — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:17 -0800

Heaven's Gate

By: nasreddin

nasreddin — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:31:12 -0800

The Bible Code.

Anatoly Fomenko's New Chronology (Garry Kasparov is a noted supporter).

Black Athena.

By: MrMoonPie

MrMoonPie — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:46:03 -0800

You'll find lots of stuff about this on Snopes.

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:48:07 -0800

Every issue of Paranoia Magazine has more of these than you can shake an alien implant at.

By: piratebowling

piratebowling — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:52:24 -0800

You need to listen to some Coast to Coast. It's the only place you will learn about the TRUTH!

By: thewalrusispaul

thewalrusispaul — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:53:35 -0800

The "cargo cult" sounds fake but it's really not.

American GI's set up base on an island. They introduce themselves as "John from America." They bring all kinds of food and supplies. Then they leave.

Islanders carve little walkie talkies out of wood and reconstruct a primitive military base trying to recall the spirit of "Jon Frum" hopping they will once again be blessed with air supply drops.

By: chengjih

chengjih — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:55:44 -0800

The 2nd Act of this This American Life mentions something called The Plan, a conspiracy theory believed by some African Americans that purports to explain gentrification and black poverty. Speaking of conspiracy theories, there's also the notion of AIDS being a genocidal weapon, that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, etc.

By: The Bellman

The Bellman — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:15:00 -0800

Fan Death is real (at least in some circumstances, and if you ask some Texas juries). How odd, I never saw it referenced before -- didn't realize it was a meme.

By: peep

peep — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:18:28 -0800

Chem trails.

By: vers

vers — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:33:21 -0800

Magnetic field inversion?

By: ArkhanJG

ArkhanJG — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:35:45 -0800

that chem trails site manages to combine the illuminati/new world order, the kennedy assassination, bioweapon contrails over the USA, HIV engineered as a bioweapon, and the roswell UFO crash into one super-conspiracy theory. Well done that man!

By: Chunder

Chunder — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:46:15 -0800

It's a science fiction novel, but I'd love it to be true (well, kind of) - and I'm sure that there are others out there who either already are, or are almost convinced by some of the postulated theories... The HAB Theory

By: greenland

greenland — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:05:26 -0800

Elvis is still alive.

Fluoride is mind control.

(Also, isn't magnetic field inversion real? Or am I thinking of magnetic pole reversal?)

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:05:48 -0800

The Illuminati

The Octopus

By: hellojed

hellojed — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:55:18 -0800

Remember back in the late nineties of a show called "Digimon?" It was an anime on Saturday mornings that revolved around digital creatures in an alternate reality.

Well, according to some, it's real.

By: JujuB

JujuB — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:36:15 -0800

Cats can suck the breath out of a baby.
Magnets take the edge off of a knife.

By: Large Marge

Large Marge — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:40:01 -0800

The Reptoid Conspiracy?

Bohemian Grove seems to be shrouded in conspiracy too.

PRI's Studio 360 did a great show about all this maybe 3-4 years ago if you can dig it up. It was called 'Conspiracy'

By: proj08

proj08 — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:54:41 -0800

The Conspiracy of Pangea. (what a dumbass...!)

By: trinity8-director

trinity8-director — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:18:54 -0800

Let's not forget the Bilderberg world-class conspiracy theory and link-o-rama.

By: Opposite George

Opposite George — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:25:01 -0800

Worlds in Collision.

Edgar Cayce still has a following.

This older book by Martin Gardner offers a few likely candidates. Also this.

By: Quarter Pincher

Quarter Pincher — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:30:41 -0800

There is currently a relatively rampant belief among the uneducated in AIDS-infected regions of Africa that having sex with a noninfected youngster (infants included) will cure the infected person, and it is fairly widely held. I visted Kenya in March and the story was heard more than once. It's yet one more reason AIDS is still quite a big problem -- even the kids who don't have it will get it from grossly misinformed adults going after them. Boggles the mind.

By: 517

517 — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:31:44 -0800

Magnetic field inversion?

The inversion of the magnetic poles is actually real. Here.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:36:36 -0800

Homosexuality is caused by demon possession.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:39:52 -0800

The Hundreth Monkey

By: Quarter Pincher

Quarter Pincher — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:33 -0800

I also had a paper-based debate with a guy I met at a foosball tourney, after he gave me an essay about the supposed "Kenite"/Sons-of-Cain race of people that mirror the biblical race of the Hebrews and walk amidst genuine people. I posted his original essay here and also one of my responses.

By: tkolar

tkolar — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:35 -0800

US Income Tax Is Optional

By: AndrewStephens

AndrewStephens — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:26 -0800

Check out crank.net for a well organised directory of such ideas.

By: Cool Papa Bell

Cool Papa Bell — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:56:00 -0800

There is currently a relatively rampant belief among the uneducated in AIDS-infected regions of Africa that having sex with a noninfected youngster (infants included) will cure the infected person, and it is fairly widely held.

This kind of belief goes way back, and isn't specific to AIDS or Africa. Europeans thought the same idea would cure syphilis.

By: lukemeister

lukemeister — Mon, 12 May 2008 22:17:18 -0800

Large Marge nailed it with the Reptoid Conspiracy, which is discussed in Jon Ronson's book Them: Adventures with Extremists. See David Icke's web site for the scoop straight from the horse's mouth.

By: lukemeister

lukemeister — Mon, 12 May 2008 22:26:10 -0800

The end of the world in 2012, as supposedly foretold by the Mayan calendar

By: cholly

cholly — Tue, 13 May 2008 04:24:00 -0800

The John Frum "cult" on Tanna in Vanuatu is pretty amazing, I got to visit one of the villages that strongly believe in this in a trip over the summer. Something like a third of the island's population worship a figure known only as "John Frum" (there are a number of theories behind how this name came to be - the most likely is an introduction to a soldier named John from America) - they basically wait for him to return and save them with food drops and such that they experienced during WW2, when the US occupied the island (their current figure of worship though, is Prince Phillip - he is the cargo commander, or something to that effect).

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Tue, 13 May 2008 05:49:23 -0800

Oh, and pretty much every nation has been claimed to be one of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Here's a page on British Israelism (I caution you from reading the Wikipedia page on British Israelism, that way madness lies).

Some dude once claimed that Icelanders were clearly one of the lost tribes (who he traced through the Heruls) because Icelanders were much more generous than Norwegians (from where Iceland was mostly settled) and also better poets. No... seriously.

By: InstantSanitizer

InstantSanitizer — Tue, 13 May 2008 06:22:25 -0800

Aquatic Ape Theory

By: InstantSanitizer

InstantSanitizer — Tue, 13 May 2008 06:24:02 -0800

Sedona Vortex

By: mdn

mdn — Tue, 13 May 2008 06:48:37 -0800

This post may have some links you'd find interesting.

By: Gortuk

Gortuk — Tue, 13 May 2008 06:58:34 -0800

Metafilter's Own Lore Sjoberg just had an interesting article on Wired about weird supernatural things that people see in photographs.

My favourite is "crowd demons". Apparently, if you take a cheap digital photograph and you can't clearly see the faces of every single person in the photo? Then they're demons. Definitely demons.

By: lukemeister

lukemeister — Sat, 17 May 2008 14:35:52 -0800

I forgot to mention Jon Ronson's other book, The Men Who Stare at Goats, which is at least as relevant to your question as Them. A movie starring George Clooney of The Men Who Stare at Goats has just been announced.