Comments on: I want you 2nd century bastards off my exquisite Roman lawns!

Question: I want you 2nd century bastards off my exquisite Roman lawns!

Pastabagel — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:28:17 -0800

How do you say "Damn kids, get off my lawn!" in Latin?

I'm envisioning this as a motto around a seal, much like Lux et Veritas, etc. The best I can come up with is evado meus hortus, scelerata ("get out of my garden, miscreants") or evado meus gramen ("get off my grass"), but this sounds stilted, and I probably have the case and tenses wrong. I'm sure the hive-mind, well-versed as it is in antiquities, can do better. Please help me dispatch Caesar's worthless brood!

By: mumkin

mumkin — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:32:34 -0800

So do you want this to be hortatory, in a literal "Get off my lawn!" sense, or more motto-like, like "My sward is without child" ?

By: Pastabagel

Pastabagel — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:51:49 -0800

More literal. I don't want an equivalent Latin idiom that communicates the same idea. But I suppose it would be okay to be flexible with the English phrase ("Make your exit from these my gardens, wretched children") if that simplifies the translation, or makes it sound more portentous.

By: zpousman

zpousman — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:59:46 -0800

That's a great t-shirt idea!

By: mumkin

mumkin — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:53:01 -0800

Hmm, well the examples you provide are longer than they need be by a "meus" apiece (make the lawn your own by putting it in genitive), and the verbs need to be made imperative plural. Thus, I think your examples might be properly phrased as "Evadete horti, scleratae!" or "Evadete graminis!" It's been a while, though. I'm not sure just how Latin mottos are going to sound not-stilted... is it the number of syllables? Evadete graminis sounds pretty snappy to me.

By: randomination

randomination — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:00:07 -0800

Vos vehete hortibus meis, liberi scelerati!

Where...
vos = reflexive pronoun
vehete = transfer, imperative (giving an order)
hortibus = masculine ablative plural (away from the gardens)
meis = agrees with hortibus (away from *my* gardens)
liberi = 'children', vocative, neutral (I think)
scelerata = an adjective, agrees with children

So literally, 'Remove yourselves from my gardens, miscreant children.'

Feel free to correct it...

By: mumkin

mumkin — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:23:29 -0800

Oh buggery, the damned gardens do need to be ablative and all that. Time, it disconnects the synapses :( Nice alliteration with the vos vehete there... In alternate phrasing I was thinking of working the decamp angle, with decedo, decedesse as the verb, and campus for the lawn/field. Do you think liberi is right for kids? I was thinking maybe iuvenci, casting the lawn-squatters as more teenaged hooligans than wee urchins.

By: randomination

randomination — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:40:30 -0800

Decedere also means 'to die' according to my dictionary (it's where the word 'deceased' comes from). Saying 'decedite' might be a bit harsh ;)

You could use 'pueri' I suppose instead of liberi, that just means 'boys', that would be
Vos vehete hortibus meis, pueri scelerati

I messed up the original, should be
Vos vehite hortibus meis, liberi scelerata

I have to go to the supermarket now.

By: tew

tew — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:44:05 -0800

I think you want abfugio or abito as your base verb. Is there a diminutive version of damnatitia you could use for "damned kids"? damnatitiola?

By: randomination

randomination — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:24:12 -0800

Abito! Yes that's the word.

Abitate hortibus meis, pueri scelerati!

That's got enough harsh constanants in to really spit out. You might even get that to scan in iambs, the first part at least.

I think 'Damnaticius' means 'sentenced or condemned', you could use it like

Abitate hortibus meis, pueri damnaticii

Campus is a battlefield or other level field.

Handy Latin dictionary textfile I'm working from

By: thewalrusispaul

thewalrusispaul — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:45:29 -0800

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

By: mumkin

mumkin — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:20:29 -0800

Saying 'decedite' might be a bit harsh

Actually I kinda liked it for exactly the FOAD undercurrent it has.

By: randomination

randomination — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:26:26 -0800

Good point, then if you want to do that I'd suggest...

decedite a hortibus meis, pueri scelerati

...putting in the preposition 'a' = 'away from' just to make it clear that the verb means leave, rather than die, otherwise the phrase could be translated 'Die in my gardens, miscreant boys'

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur

Ave. Nomen mihi Inigo Montoya est. Patrem mihi necavisti. Para perire.

By: randomination

randomination — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:50:48 -0800

Erratum - I forgot ire was irregular, so the correct form should be

"abite hortibus meis pueri scelerati"

By: Pastabagel

Pastabagel — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:21 -0800

I'm going with "Abite hortibus meis iuvenci scelerati" if it gets everyone's approval.

By: randomination

randomination — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:17:58 -0800

Yep looks good.

By: grobstein

grobstein — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:17:32 -0800

You're declining "hortus" wrong. Should be "abite hortis" not "hortibus" I think.

By: randomination

randomination — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:23:03 -0800

no, hortibus is correct. Hortus (with a long u) is fourth declension, not second, and hortibus is the ablative plural.