Comments on: Help me find the best online storage solution for my needs.

Question: Help me find the best online storage solution for my needs.

magnoliasouth — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:07:53 -0800

I need a reliable service that is either free, or low, cost for my research files. What is the best option?

My needs are fairly simple.

1. A reliable service that likely won't disappear, and one that doesn't require a yearly contract. Case in point (regarding yearly services, not storage).

2. Free or inexpensive.

3. Easy to use.

4. Availability to use on more than one computer.

I need to store only about 1 or 2 GB of very important research, which must be available to me at any time in the future, on any computer. I don't anticipate a size larger than 2 GB, but I never say never. I also might later decide to store more (such as media files), but that's really low on the priority list. If this computer went out right this very minute, the only serious lament I would have - outside of the general annoyance and cost of the computer itself - would be the loss of my research. It just cannot be replicated.

I read this thread, and was a bit vexed with the naive solution of having paper back ups of text files at home. My house was damaged in Katrina, so none of those are an option to rely on in the least. Besides, these files aren't text documents anyway; they're associated with several applications.

Considering my needs, I Googled it and found that I really like Amazon S3. The downfall on that is the usability, or #3 above. I'm not a developer and I've searched high and low but I cannot find a free, user friendly, application that also works well with it. A previous MeFi comment suggested JungleDisk as a 'free' application but when I actually went to the site, I found that it now costs $20. Also here at MeFi I read about BucketExplorer and just like JD, I found that this one was not only not free, but it was even more at $30. Not to mention, it sounds like you can only use it on one computer, which isn't an option for me.

Is there not another decent alternative? I really do not want to have to pay for software as the software cost outweighs the cost of S3, or at least in my small little case.

I'm aware of Box.net (I've already filled that one up to capacity), Xdrive (filled that one too), and Carbonite (after reading this review I elected to skip that one altogether).

So what suggestions do you have? Is there an easy way to use S3? Or is there a better site/solution out there that I'm not familiar with?

If it matters, I have one desktop with Windows Vista, and one desktop and one laptop with Windows XP.

By: unexpected

unexpected — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:24:44 -0800

Not to be snarky, but if it's incredibly important and cannot be replicated, isn't it at least worth $20?

Is Gmailing yourself files bad?

By: magnoliasouth

magnoliasouth — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:30:51 -0800

You have a point about the $20, but why pay if there is another solution for free? That's the main reason for this post after all.

No, I can't Gmail the files. For some reason Gmail says it's a file not allowed. As I mentioned, they're associated with applications. It must have something to do with an extension within the zip file, otherwise I can't imagine why Gmail won't allow it.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:51:29 -0800

You can bypass Gmail's amazing zip file security just by renaming whatever.zip to whatever.zip.renamed before attaching it.

Doing large attachments in Gmail also works better if your initial connection to Gmail is via https://mail.google.com/ rather than any of the http (non-secured) alternatives.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:54:00 -0800

Oh, and as far as I know, Jungle Disk is a one-time $20 that lets you install an unlimited number of copies on an unlimited number of computers for an unlimited amount of time. That definitely counts as "inexpensive" in my world.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:56:57 -0800

There's GmailFS as well. But I'd be happier having an actual monetary relationship with my backup provider.

By: Rhaomi

Rhaomi — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:16:13 -0800

I recently stumbled upon FileDropper, a free file upload site with a simple Imageshack-style interface. It stores up to 5GB at a permanent URL, and requires no registration.

Speeds may be a little slow temporarily, though, as the site was linked to recently on Digg.

By: kalessin

kalessin — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:30:41 -0800

Vis a vis data reliability and storage, you get what you pay for. In your case, I would probably do multiple data backups, especially since it sounds like the frequency of your updates may be fairly infrequent, so that means you may have more leeway and flexibility with respect to your files.

I would use multiple sites and locations. For example:
- Most web hosting solutions charge $5 or less per month with sufficient storage. You could maybe borrow some space from friends or acquaintances for free. I think my storage limits with my $20/month web hosting solution give me about a half a terabyte of storage on a shared server there. I am not using nearly that much.
- You may be able to borrow some storage space in a safe deposit box from a friend or family member. Again potentially free. I'd burn a DVD-R or DVD+R with an ISO filesystem for data portability.
- You can get 2GB thumbdrives for about $20 now. Store in a safe place. Thumbdrives are interesting in that they can handle high shocks (as long as the shocks don't crack the physical casing of the drive). The non-volatile storage is a nice touch for data reliability.
- You could look into using IronKey for your data. I think they go up to 4GB, but it's expensive. But it also gives you online encrypted backups of your data in case of thumbdrive loss or theft.
- You could get a small cheap external drive to put the data on, and store it somewhere you think may be reasonably secure.
- Do think about the more mainstream online storage solutions like you are, but I wouldn't trust one source if the data were that important to me.
- Look into splitting up large files into smaller files. Solutions like WinRAR can split up your 2GB into smaller packages for on-net distribution. Also if Gmail won't take the file/archive as is, think about changing the file extension. That trick sometimes works.

I'd recommend using a few of the possible approaches for overall reliability and recoverability.

Also, you may wish to look into using encryption. Not necessarily for privacy issues but because encryption functions as a built-in data checksum and helps armor the data against trivial bit-wise loss. If you are able to decrypt your files, you can be assured that they are identical to the files you encrypted and you have not experienced bit rot. This is especially of concern if you're thinking about long-term storage.

By: spyke23

spyke23 — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:54:40 -0800

there is an s3 extension available for firefox that is free. works quite well too. otherwise mozybackup?

By: spyke23

spyke23 — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:57:42 -0800

By: spyke23

spyke23 — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:59:01 -0800

firefox plug in

By: dudeman

dudeman — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:19:34 -0800

JungleDisk uses Amazon S3. Super cheap.

By: magnoliasouth

magnoliasouth — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:16:29 -0800

Thanks to everyone who offered advice. On the subject of GmailFS or any other GDrive type option. It breaks TOS and accounts have been suspended over it. No thanks to that one. As I've mentioned, I need this to be available to me later and reliable. Obviously that doesn't win on that point.

The Firefox plugin is really cool, but the developer makes it clear (s)he may not continue it. So that's out, but is noted for something that would work. Perhaps for other files, I could use it.

kalessin: WOW! You really covered all the bases. The problem with some of those are of course the fact that local copies, meaning within a local perimeter (not a computer term), is that I live in an area that even insurance will no longer cover. This screams volumes about the potential to lose everything, even in a safe deposit box. As far as a thumb drive, that too could be damaged or disappear. This is why I was looking for online solutions.

flabdablet: Extension renaming is an interesting solution, but for the other one I already use https.

Well, it's sad to say but it looks like the best way to go about it is to just pay for JungleDisk, which I am terribly disappointed about. I mean, I can browse the web with an amazing browser for FREE. I don't like that someone is cashing in on another's genius and service. I really hope someone would create a good open source solution and share it for free. The JungleDisk ideology is kind of against my personal beliefs. Alas though, it is the only serious alternative.

By: kalessin

kalessin — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:09:04 -0800

I'm a crypto nut, but I think I'd probably go with the one-time $150 or so fee for IronKey, which would cost more, of course, if the USB drive were lost (to replace it and restore your data from their online storage facilities), because this approach seems like this might be potentially more reliable and more convenient to deal with during an emergency. If I were being really paranoid, I might potentially buy a blank IronKey to keep around for emergencies and loss of the primary one (even more expensive!). I am not at all sure whether that data would be portable across mac and windows operating systems though, and generally use windows operating systems to the exclusion of other operating systems.

If you do go with JungleDisk or some other online storage provider, though, I would strongly recommend using some form of Crypto as a data reliability layer anyway, like I discussed above.

Regarding my somewhat cryptic "you get what you pay for" remark, I think you can "pay" by taking a lot of time to plan and scope out alternatives, and/or you can also pay by just laying out cash after doing some sensible level of research into overall approaches.

I will note that enterprise-level disaster recovery planning and implementation (where the storage you're talking about is in the terabytes and the recovery time you're shooting for is minutes or shorter and the disasters you plan for are things like meteor and nuclear strikes, so you try to be as geographically diverse as possible), can take a huge amount of planning to get right and also cost just buckets of money.

For 2 gigs, though, I think your options are pretty diverse and relatively inexpensive, whether you go for physical media or the virtuality of hopefully distributed (and therefore geographically robust) storage. Definitely go with storage provided by big players like Amazon S3, though, where you can be reasonably certain that their storage is designed in an enterprise-level disaster recovery sort of mode.

Actually this brings me to think that there might be another alternative - store your files encrypted in a BitTorrent network. But that would be a real hack, would require friends to help you (constantly seeding the file) and would violate one of the principles of cryptography, which is to limit public availability of encrypted materials which presumably limits the ability of crackers to try to compromise the file(s).

By: magnoliasouth

magnoliasouth — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:21:37 -0800

Thanks kalessin! I'm really not concerned so much with encryption, except that I don't want my data damaged. It's research that I'm willing to share, I just need a place to put it is all. :)