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  	<title>Question: Spoiler Alert</title>
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  	<description>What is the origin of the term &quot;Spoiler Alert&quot;. I don&apos;t ever remember reading a movie or book review from the 1970&apos;s or 1980&apos;s that began with the term &quot;spoiler alert&quot; or &quot;spoiler ahead&quot;. It&apos;s possible that they were there all along, and that I just didn&apos;t notice them, but I seem to have first encountered the term in the late 1990&apos;s. &lt;br&gt;
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I also wonder if this is a term that originated on the Internet rather than in conventional print, as it seems to me to have coincided with the growth of the Internet.  &lt;br&gt;
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When did this term become almost universally used?</description>
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  	<title>By: Partial Law</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240450</link>	
  	<description>From the OED:&lt;blockquote&gt;DRAFT ADDITIONS SEPTEMBER 2007&lt;br&gt;
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    spoiler, n.&lt;br&gt;
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  * colloq. (orig. U.S.). A description of a significant plot point or other aspect of a movie, book, etc., which if previously known may spoil a person&apos;s first experience of the work. Esp. in written contexts, warning the reader of an impending revelation of this type.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;1981 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;SF-Lovers Digest V3 #120&lt;/em&gt; in &lt;em&gt;fa.sf-lovers&lt;/em&gt; (Usenet newsgroup) 13 May, Spoiler..Spoiler..Spoiler... The island of the High-tech civilization is Krakatoa. &lt;br&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;1993 &lt;/strong&gt;E. RAYMOND &lt;em&gt;New Hacker&apos;s Dict.&lt;/em&gt; (ed. 2) 392 &lt;em&gt;Spoiler&lt;/em&gt;, a remark which reveals important plot elements from books or movies. &lt;br&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;1998 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ottawa Citizen&lt;/em&gt; (Nexis) 24 June C1, 117 TV episodes have aired so far... So here&apos;s a spoiler alert. If you don&apos;t want to know.., read no further. &lt;br&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;2001 &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Premiere &lt;/em&gt;Feb. 45/1 It [sc. this article] contains several plot spoilers and should not be read until after you have seen the movie.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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  	<title>By: ursus_comiter</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240465</link>	
  	<description>It was definitely widely in use on usenet right from the start.  The first mention I found in Google&apos;s usenet archives was from &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/fa.sf-lovers/browse_thread/thread/39ed83e5fcc3f050/9de838cb7dfa001c?lnk=st&amp;q=spoilers#9de838cb7dfa001c&quot;&gt;May 23rd, 1981&lt;/a&gt;, and it&apos;s a digest of an email list that has the message using the term from May 12th.&lt;br&gt;
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I used to be involved in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association&quot;&gt;APAs&lt;/a&gt; in the late 80s, and my recollection is that the term was in use there too.  I suspect that it would have originated in sf, comics and/or media fan publications at some point, but don&apos;t ask me when.  It could have been anytime since the 30s.  The cite above reinforces my belief.  YMMV.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:59:05 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Phire</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240474</link>	
  	<description>Totally guessing here - but I think in part the proliferation can be blamed on the internet, since information about a plot/event/sequence/whatever can be plastered all over the internet as soon as (or even before) said plot has been revealed. As soon as the season finale of Grey&apos;s Anatomy aired, you can bet that there were fans discussing it all over, but this is a phenomenon that wouldn&apos;t really have been possible before the internet. The discussion would&apos;ve been limited to people you can easily access via phone or direct encounter, and the chances of you hearing the end without wanting to hear the end would&apos;ve been fairly small. &lt;br&gt;
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With the internet though, it&apos;s so easy to come across unsolicited information. Metafilter is an example of that. Someone asks about an event that happened in a recent movie and frames the question theoretically. You click on the &apos;more inside&apos; and bam! Movie spoiled. I imagine people were getting ticked off at the supposed insensitivity of others to those who aren&apos;t fully updated on pop culture and demanded a warning.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:03:05 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: beagle</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240475</link>	
  	<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?q=spoiler.alert+date%3A0-1995&quot;&gt;The first use of &amp;quot;spoiler alert&amp;quot; in a book &lt;/a&gt;is from 1994.  The passage where it appears describes its use as part of the prescribed etiquette in an e-mail discussion group called DOROTHYL which discussed mystery books.&lt;br&gt;
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This led me to search Google Groups (Usenet newsgroups) by date, where I found &amp;quot;spoiler alert&amp;quot; in use well before 1994.  The earliest is &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=spoiler.alert&amp;num=10&amp;scoring=r&amp;hl=en&amp;as_epq=&amp;as_oq=&amp;as_eq=&amp;as_ugroup=&amp;as_usubject=&amp;as_uauthors=&amp;lr=&amp;as_qdr=&amp;as_drrb=b&amp;as_mind=1&amp;as_minm=1&amp;as_miny=1981&amp;as_maxd=31&amp;as_maxm=12&amp;as_maxy=1982&amp;safe=off&quot;&gt;this message &lt;/a&gt;from 1982.  That was the only one that year.  There were 6 more &amp;quot;spoiler alerts&amp;quot; in 1983, 10 in 1984, 9 in 1985, 5 in 1986, 3 in 1987, 92 in 1988, 113 in 1989, and then it mushrooms from there.  Newsgroup usage overall was pretty limited before 1988 and then started growing exponentially, so that&apos;s not too surprising.  Among the messages in the single-digit years before 1988 there are multiple uses by a few users, mostly on the movies group where the first use occurred.   [Possible errors in these number, groups search seems to return some random results]&lt;br&gt;
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&amp;quot;Spoiler&amp;quot; by itself, in the OED sense cited by Partial Law, on Usenet goes back to 1981 (the beginning of Usenet), as found above by ursus_comiter.  But those messages use it in a way that indicates it was already a familiar term, so it certainly started before May 1981 in messages that were not archived.  Usenet was started in 1980, but the existing archive starts during 1981.&lt;br&gt;
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In any event, all this indicates an Internet origin that goes along with the ease with which messages suddenly could be spread to a large group.  However, it&apos;s possible that &amp;quot;spoiler&amp;quot; without &amp;quot;alert&amp;quot; predates any of the above and was used in printed movie reviews and the like. But, again via Google Books, I can&apos;t find that sense in anything printed before 1982.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:04:29 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: GaelFC</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240483</link>	
  	<description>I&apos;ve been a journalist since 1989, and we didn&apos;t use them until I moved into online journalism in the late 1990s. Suddenly we had the ability to announce the &amp;quot;American Idol&amp;quot; winner online before West Coast viewers had seen the show, and people would flame us to high heaven if we didn&apos;t use spoiler alerts and use generic headlines.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:13:27 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: grouse</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240586</link>	
  	<description>The earliest quotation from the OED is from a message by Stan Isaacs in &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/fa.sf-lovers/browse_frm/thread/6958c9fe314b77e0&quot;&gt;SF-LOVERS Digest V3 #120&lt;/a&gt; in 1981, which appears to be the oldest issue of the digest on Usenet. The digest itself started in 1980, however, as an ARPANET mailing list, and the term is used in a way that suggests that the audience should be familiar with it. It might be easy enough to find an example in the older digests, but the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.noreascon.org/users/sflovers/u1/web/digest/review.html&quot;&gt;web archive&lt;/a&gt; appears to be broken. I can&apos;t find it anywhere else on the web, so I&apos;ve e-mailed Saul Jaffe to ask him if he can put it back up or otherwise help.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:45:50 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Steven C. Den Beste</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240601</link>	
  	<description>WAAAAY back in the stone age, before &amp;quot;Internet&amp;quot; was a word, when USENET ruled the world, and was available to only maybe a hundred thousand or so people, I worked for Tektronix and we were among the privileged elite. This was when the majority of USENET traffic was carried by intermittent dialup modems.&lt;br&gt;
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There was a USENET news group about movies, and people would post articles in it that revealed things about movies. Finally one guy posted a message saying, &amp;quot;This is a problem, and I think I have a solution. I suggest that people include the word &amp;quot;Spoiler&amp;quot; in their subject lines if the body of their messages contains information that would spoil the viewing experience for others who have not seen the film.&amp;quot;&lt;br&gt;
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And everyone else nodded, and agreed, and started doing it.&lt;br&gt;
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This was like 1978 or so, but I&apos;ve tried searching for it a couple of times in the archives and I never turned up the specific post. It&apos;s possible that it happened before archiving really began.&lt;br&gt;
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It&apos;s one of those small things that ended up being really influential, like the time someone came up with the first &amp;quot;smiley&amp;quot; and posted about it.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:55:46 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: beagle</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240719</link>	
  	<description>SCDB, it could not be 1978, if it was Usenet, which started in 1980.  But it&apos;s possible it was used on Arpanet, previously.  Arpanet launched in 1969.  See my prior post above regarding archiving of Usenet starting in 1981.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:06:00 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: beagle</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1240727</link>	
  	<description>and just for fun, Steven C. Den Beste&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/net.news/browse_thread/thread/27d545564aa6b058/2b9e7be9fdc2e2b7?hl=en&amp;lnk=st&amp;q=%22den+beste%22#2b9e7be9fdc2e2b7&quot;&gt;earliest archived Usenet post&lt;/a&gt;, Feb. 5 1982 at 3:58 a.m.&lt;br&gt;
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And, &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.amiga/browse_thread/thread/7fd914cea8392e7c/27fe50d769bdaa47?hl=en&amp;lnk=st&amp;q=den.beste+spoiler#27fe50d769bdaa47&quot;&gt;another ancient SCDB post &lt;/a&gt;relevant to the topic at hand.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Netzapper</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1241217</link>	
  	<description>&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;Aw man, you guys were on packet routed networks, interacting with relative strangers, before I was even conceived.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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Internet origin++.  I&apos;ve seen it on the network for years, maybe ten?  I&apos;ve only seen it in print here very recently in sources that have low interaction with netizens--i.e. not &lt;i&gt;Wired&lt;/i&gt;, but the WSJ.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:00:35 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Tube</title>
  	<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/83794/Spoiler-Alert#1243489</link>	
  	<description>Thank you all for the input. Now you have me wondering what came before &amp;quot;spoiler alert&amp;quot;... &lt;br&gt;
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I wonder if the opposite of &amp;quot;spoiler alert&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;spoiler ahead&amp;quot; would be &amp;quot;without giving it away&amp;quot;.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:22:08 -0800</pubDate>
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