Comments on: Women writing SciFi: Your Picks?

Question: Women writing SciFi: Your Picks?

taz — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:52:55 -0800

In your opinion, who are the best female science fiction authors? What are the best scifi books written by women?

Interpret the genre as broadly as you wish - "Hard" SciFi, Space Opera, Fantasy, Time Travel, Alternate History/Universe - it matters not! I especially love Steampunk, Cyberpunk, and New Weird, and am probably least interested in romances that just seem to have an incidental scifi setting and extremely politicized writing, but the most important criterion is overall quality - as long as the work is superior, I'm interested. I am asking for women writers because while I've read a fair amount of scifi, I realize I've only read a handful by women writers (most of which I've liked very, very much), and would like to read more.

I understand that I can go to any anthology of female scifi writers to get a list of names, but I'm asking for Mefites' personal recommendations for excellent women writers in this genre as well as specific books that stand out to you. I don't care if the author is not well-known or widely recognized - or, on the other hand, if the name is so obvious that everyone knows it.

By: bifter

bifter — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:10:13 -0800

Well, on the obvious side of the coin a couple of Margaret Atwood books fit the criteria, and are good reads to boot (Oryx and Crake; The Handmaid's Tale)

By: furtive

furtive — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:12:25 -0800

Seconding Margaret Atwood, although she tends to stick to speculative fiction.

By: dirtynumbangelboy

dirtynumbangelboy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:12:47 -0800

Please, no. Atwood is a horrendous writer with serious hangups about sex.

By: Wolfdog

Wolfdog — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:15:06 -0800

I've enjoyed Lois McMaster Bujold.

By: kalessin

kalessin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:16:26 -0800

C.J. Cherryh's Cyteen is one of my favorites.

Also, I very much like Ursula K. LeGuin's The Dispossessed.

I also found that I enjoyed Sherri S. Tepper's books, but haven't read them for a long time - they are/were rather kneejerk 2nd Wave Feminist fantasy. I think the first two titles/authors are by far my favorites.

By: rokusan

rokusan — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:18:38 -0800

Ursula K. LeGuin, by a mile.

By: rokusan

rokusan — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:18:53 -0800

Um... like kalessin said. :)

By: Brandon Blatcher

Brandon Blatcher — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:19:39 -0800

Octavia Butler, of course! I also like Joan D. Vinge

By: geminus

geminus — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:21:13 -0800

Julian May.
I've read most of hers (the Pliocene series is good) and I like how she uses language.

By: dinty_moore

dinty_moore — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:22:02 -0800

Seconding LeGuin, The Dispossessed is one of my favorite books of all time, and there are a lot of other wonderful stories in the Hainish cycle that are often overlooked.

By: Grither

Grither — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:23:00 -0800

I remember reading Madeleine L'Engle when I was younger....they weren't too bad...

By: plinth

plinth — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:24:27 -0800

Ursula K LeGuin
James Tiptree Jr (aka, Alice B. Sheldon)

By: Plinko

Plinko — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:27:15 -0800

Mary Doria Russell. Not all of her books are science fiction, but The Sparrow is probably going to be one of my long time favorites.

By: outlier

outlier — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:37:48 -0800

James Tiptree Jr by miles. She made other authors look like the hacks they are.

By: kliuless

kliuless — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:37:58 -0800

hmmmm, scanning the list...

for me, the lathe of heaven and the dispossesed by ursula k. leguin

a wrinkle in time, of course, by the late madeleine l'engle

and for fantasy the blue sword by robin mckinley and interview with the vampire by anne rice

oh and anthem by ayn rand! altho that may fall into "extremely politicized writing" as well :P

By: chasles

chasles — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:38:50 -0800

Ann Crispin (aka A.C. Crispin, AC Crispin) wrote a bunch of star trek books etc and I enjoyed them... but her own series of books called Starbridge was a fantastic series....

By: bindasj

bindasj — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:38:58 -0800

Ursula K. LeGuin's The Dispossessed is my favorite book of all time. I've read it 3 times and will again. I've read a bunch of her books and liked them all, though I wouldn't consider them all to be masterpieces like The Dispossessed.

By: beowulf573

beowulf573 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:44:12 -0800

Connie Willis, who is smart and funny. And another vote for Bujold, a friend kept pushing me to read the Miles Vorkosigan books, and when I started I couldn't stop.

By: runincircles

runincircles — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:46:14 -0800

Jan Mark, if only for The Ennead, Tanith Lee for lush, gothy short stories

By: shothotbot

shothotbot — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:53:24 -0800

Um, I believe Doris Lessing wrote science fiction and she won some sort of award. Maybe the Hugo? No, thats not it...

By: Amy NM

Amy NM — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:54:10 -0800

Joanna Russ

By: ubersturm

ubersturm — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:58:38 -0800

A few of the better authors and books I can think of off the top of my head:

Ursula LeGuin (The Dispossessed, The Left Hand of Darkness, The Lathe of Heaven).
Joan D. Vinge (Winter Queen/Summer Queen, the Cat books).
Maria Doria Russell (The Sparrow, which I swear I've recommended a zillion times here.)
Octavia Butler (Parable of the Sower/Parable of the Talents)
Connie Willis (The Doomsday Book, To Say Nothing of the Dog, Passage)
C.J. Cherryh (Cyteen, Rider at the Gate/Cloud's Rider)
Robin McKinley (The Blue Sword, The Hero and the Crown)
Nancy Kress (Beggars in Spain)
Jane Yolen (the Heart's Blood books, though those were more young adult)
Madeline L'Engle (same caveat, but Wrinkle in Time and the related books)

I suppose Atwood counts, but her sci-fi-ish stuff is heavily political and Oryx and Crake was terrible in general (trite and badly written) - though Handmaid's Tale was quite good.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:01:21 -0800

Nobody's mentioned yet:

Elizabeth Moon -- mostly military actiony SF, some not (Speed of Dark)

Nancy Kress -- try Beggars in Spain

Eleanor Arnason -- I've only read Ring of Swords, but it was good. I gather that her work is heavily anthro-based.

Linda Nagata -- I've only read Vast, which is sort of a space opera, sort of

Justina Robson -- relatively near-future AI-heavy SF.

Andre Norton -- one of the classics; I might argue probably mostly interesting as a historical artifact

By: rtha

rtha — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:03:48 -0800

Joanna Russ (or is she more speculative fiction? The lines get a little blurry sometimes).

Nicola Griffith - her novels Ammonite and Slow River are both really good, as are her non-SF novels.

By: Argyle

Argyle — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:09:04 -0800

Connie Willis - Doomsday Book & To Say Nothing of the Dog & everything else she's ever written
Sarah Zettel - Fool's War
Anne Maccaffery - Dragonriders of Pern series
Ursula Le Guin - Earthsea series

By: kliuless

kliuless — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:11:39 -0800

oh hey and, fwiw, dorris lessing just won the nobel prize! i guess, in part, for her science fiction sequence canopus in argos, altho it too "as a whole falls into categories of social or soft science fiction due to its focus on human characters and social-cultural issues, and its de-emphasis of the details of scientific technology" :P

By: siskin

siskin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:14:04 -0800

Kelly Link's Magic for Beginners is one of the best short story collections I've read, and she's a great writer - hard to describe, but sort of SFy magic-realist-esque fantastical horror (and Neil Gaiman thinks she's good too).

Nalo Hopkinson, particularly Brown Girl in the Ring, a near-future Caribbean-influenced magical cyberpunk novel set in a decayed Toronto.

Seconding Connie Willis: my favourite book of hers is "And to say nothing of the dog", which is a three-men-in-a-boat sequel (sort of), with time travel. But she's done lots of good stuff - check out her Hugo and Nebula award winners particularly.

Seconding Tanith Lee: she's generally lush fantasy horror, but her best straight SF book, I think, is Silver Metal Lover.

And yes, n'thing the classics like Ursula Le Guin and James Tiptree Jr.

By: kalessin

kalessin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:21:15 -0800

I can't believe I forgot Octavia Butler. Some of her works are _hard_to_read_ and talk about really emotionally/physically painful things (specifically for me Kindred, and the Wild Seed series), heck, even my favorite series of hers (Dawn/Adulthood Rites/Imago) is pretty painful.

Also, at risk of being in conflict of interest in promoting, my dear friends Elizabeth Bear (Hammered/Scardown/Worldwired and Carnival are solidly sci-fi, whereas The Promethean Age books are more likely fantasy and Sarah Monette rock some serious speculative fiction (Sarah Monette's is probably more Fantasy, but the read is intense and the plotting amazing and the characters deep in her Mirador series). Hell, if you like them both, the co-wrote "A Companion to Wolves" which is a hell of a ride.

Finally, Toni Morrison's Beloved is or is not part of speculative fiction/sci fi (I'm not really sure, but those are buckets that feel right when I think about the read), but it's certainly solidly good and memorable.

By: penguinliz

penguinliz — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:22:56 -0800

LeGuin, Tiptree, Russell, Butler, all seconded.

I would also recommend:
Justina Robson, Natural History or Living Next-Door to the God of Love
Gwyneth Jones, Life
Elizabeth Bear, Hammered/Wetwired/Scardown trilogy
Maureen McHugh, China Mountain Zhang
Elizabeth Moon, The Speed of Dark

By: kalessin

kalessin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:22:56 -0800

Also, LeGuin's Earthsea series is really interesting for me as a practicing Taoist, because the first 3 books are, but not as much as the last 3 books, pretty intensely Taoist in essence. And it's interesting to see the evolution of thought there in LeGuin's development. The last 3 books were written well after the first 3.

By: Ber

Ber — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:28:57 -0800

I see many favorites already listed and I would like to give an enthusiastic third or fourth or whatever to Bujold. But I would also recommend Robin Hobb - her three fantasy trilogies (Assassin/Mad Ships/Fools - and for the love of god read them in order) is as dark and moving as the stuff the big boys of fantasy (Martin, Erikson, Bakker, et.al.) are spinning right now.

By: mediareport

mediareport — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:34:26 -0800

I especially love Steampunk, Cyberpunk, and New Weird

Pat Cadigan is often overlooked despite being the only woman in Bruce Sterling's classic cyberpunk anthology Mirrorshades. Her early novels Mindplayers and Synners are great virtual reality mindfucks (esp. Mindplayers), and she seems like a class act herself.

By: crocomancer

crocomancer — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:41:33 -0800

I'd certainly give +1 for LeGuin and Mary Doria Russell. The other person that springs to mind, though mainly for fantasy, is Diana Wynne Jones.

By: gaspode

gaspode — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:43:25 -0800

Seconding Robin Hobb (can't believe it took so long for her to be mentioned) and Julian May.

By: adamrice

adamrice — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:51:08 -0800

I'd go along with many of the names mentioned here already, and add one more: C.L. Moore. One of the earlier SF writers. I read an anthology of her short stories, and it's always stuck in my head.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:55:40 -0800

I like Angela Carter in addition to many of the women listed here. She's incredibly gifted and writes fantastically without being a sort of unicorns and wizards fantasy. My other top female SF writers who have been listed

Connie Willis - very talented and has a wide range. She writes SF with rich full characters and deep plots. Can write in different genres effectively, also she's funny.
Octavia Butler - I usually call her fiction a little too "rapey" for me because she has some books that, while wonderful are a little too disturbing for me to recommend to people
Ursula Leguin - sort of has a whole thing going on, has written great books, is a great person and generally a grande dame of SF writing.

By: terrapin

terrapin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:55:52 -0800

I remember liking Woman on the Edge of Timeby Marge Piercy when I read it in a Women's Studies class at university. Apparently her novel He, She, It (known as Body of Glass outside the United States) won an Arthur C. Clarke Award, but I haven't read it.

turtlegirl nths the LeGuin suggestions by proxy.

By: Jeanne

Jeanne — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:56:24 -0800

Kage Baker's Company series, dealing with a company that preserves cultural artifacts and endangered species using time travel and immortality technology, is great.

By: Karmakaze

Karmakaze — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:59:02 -0800

Lois McMaster Bujold

By: aperture_priority

aperture_priority — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:59:23 -0800

2nd vote for Pat Cadigan if you like cyberpunk. Another personal favorite is Elizabeth Hand. I'd recommend her short stories and the post-apocalyptic novel Glimmering.

By: francesca too

francesca too — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:04:13 -0800

Most of my favorites have being named already, adding to them
Mercedes Lackey
Ellen Kushner
Marion Zimmer Bradley

Robin McKinley, Ellen Kushner, and Ursula LeGuin have been marketed under YA label recently, but their books are great reads for all ages.

By: ilike

ilike — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:07:00 -0800

Can't belive nobody mentioned Children of men by P D James.

By: edd

edd — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:08:27 -0800

I really enjoyed Rosemary Kirstein's Steerswoman series. I just wish she'd write more.

By: muddgirl

muddgirl — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:09:19 -0800

Andre Norton wrote hard, masculine science fiction books in an era when women didn't write science fiction books. It might not be some people's cuppa, but when it comes to classic, genre-defining sci-fi, I can't think of anyone (male or female) who wrote better books.

By: notbuddha

notbuddha — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:10:15 -0800

Emma Bull - Falcon, Bone Dance
Zenna Henderson - The People stories

By: mygothlaundry

mygothlaundry — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:15:55 -0800

Elizabeth Hand. I've read just about everything she's ever written and I adore her. On preview, drat you, aperture_priority!

Also, nthing Connie Willis, and has anybody mentioned Kage Baker? Time travel, evil corporations and good, tight, funny writing. Jo Walton, for fantasy. Katherine Kerr, who has written a couple of very good sci fi books as well as her fantasy stuff. And, Wilhelmina Baird! Her totally awesome cyberpunk trilogy is right there on the front page of that link.

By: slavlin

slavlin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:36:13 -0800

I really like C. S. Friedman. The Madness Season, This Alien Shore and In Conquest Born are some of my favorite books. The Coldfire Trilogy has some wonderful characters too.

By: Mmothra

Mmothra — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:09:48 -0800

You might check out my good friend in Austin TX, Jessica Wynne Reisman. She writes both straight up SF and what might be called "magical realism." She is incredibly talented, uses language magnificently and is a hot mama, too.

By: Soliloquy

Soliloquy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:29:48 -0800

There are elements of romance and social commentary in most of Lois McMaster Bujold's works, but you'll be hard pressed to find a superior writer.

By: Grod

Grod — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:32:49 -0800

I think these have probably all been mentioned (don't have time to read first, sorry):

Octavia Butler
Ursula LeGuin
James Tiptree Jr
Andre Norton
Madeleine L'Engle
Connie Willis

By: ewkpates

ewkpates — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:33:06 -0800

The Sci-Fan big ones are:

Andre Norton
Ursula K. Le Guin
Anne McCaffrey
Marion Zimmer Bradley

Honorable Mention:

Joan D. Vinge
Elizabeth Moon
Nina Kiriki Hoffman

By: ten pounds of inedita

ten pounds of inedita — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:44:27 -0800

Connie Willis and Doris Lessing are, IMHO, two of the leading lights on the list. "To Say Nothing of the Dog" is brilliant in every way, and "Passage" is deep and surprising.

Many of the names mentioned here write terrible, terrible, well-within-Sturgeon's-Law crap, either one note above shared-universe gamer/D&D/Trek crap, or, occasionally, unreadable stuff in that subgenre. I'm half-surprised not to see hacks like Lisa Smedman and Jean Rabe listed here. FFS.

If Peggy Atwood hadn't started her career at a time when Canadian publishers were aching for a fresh, homegrown woman's voice, she'd have retired to teaching after her first book of poetry. Seven Governor-General noms, none of them deserving. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

By: ursus_comiter

ursus_comiter — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:50:51 -0800

Nthing Diana Wynne Jones, Ellen Kushner, LeGuin, et al.

For fantasy, the very best I've read in recent times (and possibly ever) has been the Elemental Logic series by Laurie J. Marks.

I really like Susette Haden Elgin, especially her Native Tongue stuff.

Ellen Klages is great. Green Glass Sea isn't SF per se, but it's informed by it and her short stories in Portable Childhoods definitely are SF/F.

If you think you might like Fantasy of Manners (i.e. fantasy in Edwardian England), check out Sorcery and Cecelia by Caroline Stevermer and Patricia Wrede.

I'm currently reading the latest by Nnedi Okorafor-Mbachu. I adored Zarah, the Windseeker, which was a nice hybrid of SF and F.

Jo Walton's Tooth and Claw is great fun.

Jane Lindskold makes Neil Gaiman look like an amateur when it comes to urban fantasy, IMHO.

One of my favorite YA authors is Diane Duane - big fan of her Young Wizards series.

And I keep meaning to check out Carol Emshwiller, but I haven't managed to yet.

By: ursus_comiter

ursus_comiter — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:54:52 -0800

You also might want to check out the past winners of the Tiptree Award.

By: jamjam

jamjam — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:55:12 -0800

You articulate my reservations about Octavia Butler perfectly, Jessamyn; she's the only SF writer I can think of at the moment who made me throw a book down on the floor as hard as I could in anger.

R. A. MacAvoy's Book of Kells is still the greatest single volume fantasy I ever read, I think, and her Lens of the World trilogy gives me goosebumps just writing the title.

Great thread.

Oh, don't forget Sorcery and Cecilia by Patricia Wrede and Caroline Stevermer, each of whose work is excellent in its own right.

By: Zed_Lopez

Zed_Lopez — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:56:14 -0800

Ursula Le Guin (esp. The Disposessed and The Left Hand of Darkness)
Connie Willis (her older short stories in Fire Watch)
Nancy Kress (short stories, esp. the older ones in Trinity)
Megan Lindholm's The Wizard of the Pigeons (she's since become popular under the pen name Robin Hobb -- I haven't read those books)
C.L. Moore (wrote much of her stuff in collaboration with her husband, Henry Kuttner)
Maureen McHugh
Karen Joy Fowler
Kelly Link
James Tiptree, Jr.
Loved Madeleine L'Engle as a child, haven't reread as an adult to see if it holds up.

I hated the Sparrow so much I'll explicitly antirecommend it (though mine seems to be a minority opinion.)

By: bru

bru — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:00:38 -0800

Seconding Linda Nagata. Memory (2003) was great (well written, hard SF, full of new ideas) and, strangely, she doesn't seem to have published anything since.

By: subtle_squid

subtle_squid — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:02:07 -0800

Octavia Butler

no contest.

Start with Parable of the Sower

By: Guy_Inamonkeysuit

Guy_Inamonkeysuit — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:18:15 -0800

My goodness! No one has mentioned Leigh Brackett! Notable not only as an author but as a screenwriter -- and most interestingly, for this question, for The Empire Strikes Back.

By: aught

aught — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:30:31 -0800

Older generation:
- Ursula LeGuin (many classics like The Dispossed and Left Hand of Darkness; still prolific)
- Joanna Russ (70s angry feminist, brilliant but controversial; Female Man in particular)
- James Tiptree Jr (real name Alice Sheldon; many brilliant short stories)
- Kate Wilhelm (mostly I remember Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang)
- when I was young Andre Norton and Madeline l'Engle's books were important to me

Previous generation (ie. 80s-90s)
- Vonda McIntyre (Dreamsnake and the Starfarers series)
- Lois McMaster Bujold (Barryar series)
- Connie Willis (historical time travel books)
- Octavia Butler (have like all her books)
- CJ Cherryh (particularly Downbelow Station and Cyteen)
- Sherry Tepper (particularly Gate to Women's Country and Grass)
- Linda Nagata (I liked Deception Well and Vast in particular)
- Kathleen Ann Goonan (I liked her post-nanotech disaster books, Queen City Jazz, etc.)

More current:
- Kage Baker (the "Company" series, great fun)
- Steph Swainston (the "Four Lands" series starting with Year of Our War is very good)
- Maureen McHugh (I like them all; China Mountain Zhang is a contemporary classic)
- Melissa Scott (I might be in a minority but I loved the Dreamships, Dreaming Metal, Night Sky Mine, Shape of their Hearts books, not really a series but in a similar future history)
- Eleanor Arnason (kind of a current generation LeGuin, has an anthropological feel)
- Nancy Kress (I've mostly read/liked her late 90s books)
- Sarah Zettel (I've read the sf, Reclamation, Fools War; not really interested in her more recent fantasy books)
- Justina Robson (liked Mappa Mundi and Natural History)
- Tricia Sullivan (liked Someone to Watch Over Me and Dreaming in Smoke, have not yet read Maul)
- Karen Joy Fowler (Sarah Canary and Sister Noon; she made the crossover to mainstream fiction with her most recent book)

(Sorry for the long list. I've been reading sf for over 35 years.)

By: aught

aught — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:37:42 -0800

Can't belive nobody mentioned Children of men by P D James.
posted by ilike at 10:07 AM on February 8

I think there's a lot of backlash among regular sf readers against mainstream dabblers like Atwood and James. (Personally, I do think Marge Piercy and Doris Lessing have made better efforts at writing sf than either Atwood or PD James.) It doesn't help when Atwood and James (in particular) disparage sf in interviews and say their futuristic novels are not that stupid ray-gun-and-robots-sci-fi-crap, no siree.

By: bibbit

bibbit — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:42:26 -0800

For fantasy: I'm a big fan of Melanie Rawn's Dragon Prince series, but it's been several years since I read them.

By: restless_nomad

restless_nomad — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:04:16 -0800

I'd have to recommend "The Year's Best Science Fiction" (ed. Gardner Dozois) if you're looking to broaden your SF horizons. I've discovered quite a few of the authors above via that collection, and there isn't a volume I wouldn't unreservedly recommend. (Obviously, there will be male authors in there too.) I see them all the time in the local used book shops.

By: bryghtrose

bryghtrose — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:10:32 -0800

Melissa Scott is good for cyberpunk

By: Pantengliopoli

Pantengliopoli — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:24:19 -0800

Another vote for Elizabeth Moon, though I think her best work is the Paksenarrion's Tale trilogy, which is more fantasy than sci-fi...

By: QIbHom

QIbHom — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:27:31 -0800

Lot of good suggestions so far (and some utter crap), so I'll just add Janet Kagan's Mirabile, if you happen to run across a copy. Reprints of stuff that was in Analog and Asimov's back in the 80's, just good, plain, scientific fun with good characters that are, sometimes, a little too good.

By: lillygog

lillygog — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:53:51 -0800

So many favorites. Nthing Joanna Russell, Robin McKinley, Mary Doria Russell, Margaret Atwood, Ursula K. LeGuin... almost the entire list really.

Also try Elisabeth Vonarburg (her books are eventually translated into English, start with The Silent City), and Gwyneth Jones' White Queen series.

By: moonlet

moonlet — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:54:15 -0800

Definitely Sheri Tepper- Gibbon's Decline and Fall and The Gate to Women's Country are my favorites, but the Arbai Trilogy and the Awakeners are also quite good.

Sharon Shinn, particularly the Samaria series. (If you're a fan of Jane Eyre, read Jenna Starborn. If you hate Jane Eyre, don't.)

Amy Thomson.

I will nth Kage Baker, CJ Cherryh, Connie Willis, and Ellen Kushner.

Kushner's wife, Delia Sherman, also writes really enjoyable mannerpunk.

By: expialidocious

expialidocious — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:57:54 -0800

Connie Willis is one of my favorites. Nobody's mentioned her novel Lincoln's Dreams - I loved it, but I have to be in the right frame of mind to re-read it because it's so damn sad.

My favorite Melissa Scott novels are Burning Bright, Trouble and Her Friends, and Shadow Man. Some of her protagonists/endings have a hint of grandiosity that annoys me, though.

By: small_ruminant

small_ruminant — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:08:16 -0800

I love Ursula Le Guin. I love Robin McKinley. Both of these are more about people than plot, though, so if you like the Gibson/Stephenson/etc sort of Sci Fi, you'll be disappointed. I like CJ Cherryh very much, and her sci-fi is more traditional and less touchy-feely. She also wrote a fantasy novel called the Dreamstone that I liked, though it might be too traditional to be everyone's cup of tea.

I read one and a half Octavia Butler books. She struck me as inhumanly humorless. Margaret Atwood's universe is just depressing- axe grindy, violent and somewhat fatalistic. One can only hope this is just her fictional universe, but it doesn't seem like it.

By: cadge

cadge — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:10:04 -0800

The Finder comic series by Carla Speed McNeil is incredible and involves a lot of detail-rich worldbuilding. I can't recommend it enough.

By: halonine

halonine — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:12:52 -0800

I'd like to second The Hero and the Crown by Robin McKinley. It's so beautiful, dense, and detailed. It's one of my favorite books and I think I've read it six or seven times. Gosh, I think I got it in fifth grade.

I always thought Beloved was comparable to it. Beloved was assigned in 12th grade English AP and everyone in the class struggled with all the surrealism, non-linearity, and detail... except for me and the other science fiction geek, who was also a fan of McKinley. :)

I'd also like to second C.S. Friedman. My sister got me into the Coldfire Trilogy and it was love at first sight... or murder, as it were.

I definitely recommend Anne McCaffrey because the world of Pern is so detailed and there are so many books... you can wander in it for a long time. But heck, you've surely read the Pern books already! I also liked the Crystal Singer series and I liked the Ship Who Sang and I've read that several times. Other books in the Ship series were good, too.

I am also a Margaret Atwood disliker.

By: Riemann

Riemann — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:28:12 -0800

Anne McCaffrey is ok if you aren't interested in quality. She is about on level with David Eddings: entertaining but has very little actual literary skill.

I heartily recommend (and I do not see her mentioned thus far) Patricia McKillip. She is an extraordinarily skilled writer and storyteller. Some of her books are somewhat like Andre Norton at her best but without all the misandry (and ye gods does Norton beat that dead horse).

Le Guin is quite good. Did not care much for Tehanu but really enjoyed every other book I've read by her. I find it really amusing that in her earlier works she basically is the flipside of so very many male authors in her inability to accurately portray the opposite sex. Especially in The Farthest Shore.

By: longdaysjourney

longdaysjourney — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:34:51 -0800

Read Atwood's stuff - the haters are wrong (can't stress that enough, really).

By: Justinian

Justinian — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:41:52 -0800

Atwood may not be awful, but the poster asked for the best female SF authors, and Atwood certainly isn't that.

The best currently writing would include Lois McMaster Bujold, C.J. Cherryh, and Connie Willis. Willis isn't my cup of tea, generally, but there's no denying she is a major talent.

By: hjo3

hjo3 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:52:52 -0800

Nthing Nancy Kress.

By: brina

brina — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:27:13 -0800

Ignore the nasty comments about Margaret Atwood and check her out for yourself -- make up your own mind. She is a fantastic writer, though more dystopian than sci fi. "Oryx and Crake" or "Handmaid's Tale" are equally good places to start, though "Handmaid's Tale" is more overtly feminist and "Oryx and Crake" focuses more on how we are destroying our environment.

By: francesca too

francesca too — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:47:30 -0800

I forgot Elizabeth Haydon in my earlier post.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:52:23 -0800

I'll skip the recent writers (except for a hearty second to the great Joanna Russ and James Tiptree Jr.), because they're well covered, and give a boost to the oldies/goodies, C.L. Moore, Leigh Brackett, and Miriam Allen deFord.

Many of the names mentioned here write terrible, terrible, well-within-Sturgeon's-Law crap, either one note above shared-universe gamer/D&D/Trek crap, or, occasionally, unreadable stuff in that subgenre.

This from someone who thinks Lessing is a good sf writer!

By: The corpse in the library

The corpse in the library — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:07:52 -0800

Some people think Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was the first science fiction book. (I really can't recommend it, though.)

By: The corpse in the library

The corpse in the library — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:08:44 -0800

Sorry, I misread the question -- you want ones we can recommend. Delete! Delete! Delete!

By: Pallas Athena

Pallas Athena — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:48:33 -0800

Everyone got all my favourites already, except one: Mary Gentle. She's really more fantasy than sci-fi, but she does kick some serious butt, especially writing about period military matters.

Other than that: seconding LeGuin, Butler, Kage Baker, Connie Willis, Robin McKinley, Diana Wynne Jones and Carla Speed McNeil.

By: mjao

mjao — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:04:32 -0800

I liked The Ancient Future Trilogy by Traci Harding when I was younger.

By: ten pounds of inedita

ten pounds of inedita — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:10:38 -0800

This from someone who thinks Lessing is a good sf writer!

I was wondering how long it would take before someone would go ad hominem against a poster in the thread."Your opinion of X is suspect because you like Y!" This isn't the place, and it isn't helpful.

If you took the finest words and ideas from every novel written by Moon, Hobb, McCaffrey and McKinley, stirred them up and gave a committee of Hugo winners an unlimited budget, asking them to forge the finest possible novel from the remains, it couldn't hold the barest glimmer of a shadow of a candle to the Canopus in Argos cycle.

For starters, none of them can actually draw characters. Ex.: The Deed of Paksennarion is based on a paladin in a D&D campaign, ferchrissakes, and has all the depth of programmed adventure module with cardboard miniatures and random die rolls.

By: Justinian

Justinian — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:12:52 -0800

That The Deed of Paksennarion does not contain brilliant (or even good) writing does not imply that Lessig's SF is of the highest quality. Both Moon and Lessig's SF fail in different ways.

By: ten pounds of inedita

ten pounds of inedita — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:23:31 -0800

I didn't make such an implication. I stated an opinion that one was better than the other, and gave one reason why I think that the lesser work has failed.

In truth, I think that Lessing's SF work is more than imperfect; it can be pedantic, dry and be both too dense and too sparse in detail. It's still better than 99% of what's been brought up in this thread, and by a huge margin. Given her influence, it's worth reading even if you disagree that it's good work.

Most of the other writers on the list, on the other hand, have never said anything compelling or new, and haven't said it well. A derivative work wrought poorly is, IMHO, less worthy of the reader's time than an original work wrought poorly.

By: Joh

Joh — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:30:03 -0800

Nthing Kage Baker and Nancy Kress, also suggesting Chris Moriarty.

By: francesca too

francesca too — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:22:35 -0800

moonlet Sheri Tepper the Arbai trilogy? I only read Grass and I loved it. What are the other titles?

By: Justinian

Justinian — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:41:48 -0800

t's still better than 99% of what's been brought up in this thread, and by a huge margin.

99%? Really? That would imply that it's better than all but, maybe, one of the names brought up in the thread. Lessig is a great writer but her SF, considered as SF, is not anything like the quality of Bujold's best work. Cherryh's Cyteen is significantly better than Lessig's SF in virtually every way. Mary Gentle's best work (the one-volume Ash) is better than Lessig's SF. McKillip's work is wonderful if you like that sort of thing, which I don't.

And I haven't even brought up Tiptree yet. You are of the opinion that Lessig's SF is better than Her Smoke Rose Up Forever? That's a bold statement. And so on.

Yeah, Lessig's stuff stands up against crap like the Deed of Paksennarion because it reaches further. But it still fails. I think you must be giving props to Lessig's SF simply because it is by Lessig if you actually believe it's better than 99% of the suggestions in this thread.

By: ZakDaddy

ZakDaddy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:02:11 -0800

Katherine Kurtz, esp. her Deryni books. Named my oldest daughter for one of her characters. Please ignore the hideous website; the books are quite wonderful.

Also, woo-hoo! Stuff to read! Library, here I come!!!

By: Cricket

Cricket — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:17:46 -0800

Just to hit a couple who haven't been mentioned:

Rowling: Harry Potter might be too obvious, but while there are those who hate the series, it has very broad appeal to children and adults for a reason. The writing is solid and the characters are interesting, appealing and multidimensional.

Kathleen Duey: I haven't read any of her other books, but Skin Hunger was one of those books where I wanted/needed to know what happened to the characters and even dreamed I was one of them. It's marvelous, and I hope that she's working on the next one.

By: ten pounds of inedita

ten pounds of inedita — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:58:25 -0800

99%? Really?

Roughly. I agree that Cyteen is great; it's among the best of the books listed here, although I normally hate her narrative style, and much of her other work exemplifies deriviative hackery. And I think that writing about alien cat-people should be punishable by a prison term of no less than five years, with concurrent sentences of hard labour for the over'use of un'necess'ary punct'u'a'tion in names.

I think most of the abjectly terrible writers that get mentioned as favourites in threads like these have one good book in them. I'd rather that they be hunted down and stopped before they get that far, though.

Anyhow. Reasonable folk can disagree, and taste is untouchable. To the OP: try 'em all, or not, and read more of what you like.

Also, it's Lessing.

By: Justinian

Justinian — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:05:51 -0800

Yeah, I knew that. I was writing about Lawrence Lessig right before these posts and I suppose my brain got some wires crossed.

I do agree with you that lots of authors who get mentioned in threads like this are pretty awful.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:15:27 -0800

I was wondering how long it would take before someone would go ad hominem against a poster in the thread.

That wasn't ad hominem. Ad hominem would be saying "tpoi is a bad person, therefore you shouldn't pay attention to their views on the subject." I know nothing about you as a person; I was pointing out that your poor taste in sf means your opinion on what is good sf shouldn't carry much weight. Even you admit that "Lessing's SF work is more than imperfect; it can be pedantic, dry and be both too dense and too sparse in detail." To go on to then claim it's better than 99% of everything else (i.e., real sf) is simply a way of dissing sf: "no matter how bad Lessing's sf is, she's a real writer, and ipso facto better than all those genre hacks." Which is a shitty attitude, and one that any sf fan is all too familiar with.

Cricket: Your picks are pure fantasy; the poster asked for sf. Most people favor one or the other.

By: francesca too

francesca too — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:59:08 -0800

I think most of the abjectly terrible writers that get mentioned as favourites in threads like these have one good book in them. I'd rather that they be hunted down and stopped before they get that far, though.

let's all agree that the rest of us have horrible literary taste. I'm just happy for my new list of entertaining books I want to read

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:10:46 -0800

[few comments removed - please take the SF/Atwood derail to email or metatalk, thank you]

By: slavlin

slavlin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:52:08 -0800

Pallas Athena, I respect your right to enjoy Mary Gentle, but I only finished reading Grunts! because I was pretty sure that I had done something wrong that I had not been punished for.

Actually, I really finished the book because I picked it up and started it about 15 times. I was determined to get through it just so I could get rid of it and I have not tried any other of her books since then.

I guess what I am saying to the original poster is they may want to try 1 or 2 of her books first rather than picking up a huge stack.

By: dhruva

dhruva — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:31:36 -0800

Suzy Charnas' The vampire tapestry is one of the best Vampire books ever.

By: dhruva

dhruva — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:39:46 -0800

And also, Susanna Clarke's Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell is very good.

By: gakiko

gakiko — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:54:00 -0800

Lois McMaster Bujold! I can't recommend her enough. Check out her Vorkosigan saga for "standard" SF. Her other works are more fantasy than SF, so that might not be your cup of tea.

By: taz

taz — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:18:56 -0800

Thank you very, very much, everyone!! Exactly what I wanted.

It's not possible to pick a best answer for a question like this, of course, but everybody who took the time to share his or her most admired authors and novels has given me a best answer. Thanks again!

By: Artw

Artw — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:16:26 -0800

Most of the obvious choices have been mentioned (Ursula LeGuin and Octavia Butler should definately be near the top of your list) but I'd very much like to add Joan Slonczewski, and in particular A Door Into The Ocean, which is an awesome peice of worldbuilding with some very neat biopunk twists with a political edge.

By: sculpin

sculpin — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:58:48 -0800

Another less-obvious choice is Liz Williams, particularly her odd, fun Inspector Chen novels. (Start with Snake Agent.)

Nthing Carla Speed MacNeil and aught's list.

By: nikksioux

nikksioux — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:09:06 -0800

I recommend "The Company" series by Kage Baker and agree with the Ursula K. LeGuin recs.

By: ewkpates

ewkpates — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:22:11 -0800

Every time I turn around languagehat is making an ad hominem attack. Wow. When you suggest that ARGUER reflects in some way on the ARGUMENT, thats ad hom. You are a cereal ad hommer. Please stop. Just stop.

I feel horrible for having forgotten Susanna Clarke... her book of short stories Ladies of Adieu is very good, as is Mr. Norrell. Very very good. I feel a little guilty also about leaving Elizabeth Moon out. She's consistent quality. Jennifer Roberson is also good.

I liked the poster who listed by generations... that's an excellent way to organize this stuff.

But seriously, I'm sorry about forgetting Susann Clarke.

By: Elysum

Elysum — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:47:30 -0800

Sci-fi, not so much fantasy recs:

Sherri Tepper - Some of her books are the best books I've ever read. Others suffer from not being as good, and unfortunately, enought repeating themes throughout many of her novels, which then drags down the good ones to familiarity (on a philosophical theme, so the actual content varies at least).
Therefore, space out & randomise reading her older and newer works.
Recommendation - *never* read reviews of the plots, don't get spoiled, just check the rating if anything.
I'd also recommend 'Grass' as a good first.

As a beloved non-rec, I think the first I read, before knowing the author was, was Sideshow - which starts with a pair of incestuous hermaphroditic Siamese twins, who get surgically adjusted to a boy/girl pair, and then got weirder from there. o_O
It made a lot more sense retrospectively after reading 'Raising the stones', but I held a certain fondness for the WTF? of the first half, before it descended (ascended?) into incomprehensibility for me.

Octavia Butler - Xenogenesis series is the most sci-fi-y (Dawn, Adulthood Rites, Imago). Let her rest in peace though, and forget she ever wrote her last book. :(

Anne McCaffrey did actually write a tiny amount of really interesting sci-fi.
That was before she started stretching them out into novels, rather than short stories (literally - short stories were re-written as novels), gradually stopping with 'ideas' so much as characters & dragons etc, which for me, lost the idea-depth that them interesting sci-fi short stories.
People who like the pern novels etc do not tend to like, or find the same things they enjoyed in the novels, in the short stories. Not the first sci-fi author to have done that.
Anyway, yeah - I really like her pre-1980 short fiction:
http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/sf/books/m/mccaffry.htm

(but then, I'm a sucker for 50s-70s short sci-fi)