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	<title>Comments on: MMPORGs for Beginners</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:31:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: MMPORGs for Beginners</title>
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		<description>What&apos;s a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mmorpg.com/&quot;&gt;MMORPG&lt;/a&gt; to get started with? I don&apos;t want to pay a monthly fee, and I want something that is beginner-friendly. Star Wars Galaxies seemed like the way to go, but I won&apos;t be playing it enough to pay a monthly fee on top of the purchase price.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:18:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>quibx</dc:creator>
		
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		<title>By: falconred</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160164</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don&apos;t want to pay a monthly fee&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br&gt;
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This is your main limiting factor right there.  Your best bet is to search for open betas, which are free.   &lt;br&gt;
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Also, Star Wars Galaxies is a horrible piece of crap.  Avoid.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:31:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stynxno</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160167</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&apos;t want to pay a monthly fee&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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yea, go with betas.  i&apos;m not aware of any mmorpg that&apos;s don&apos;t have a monthly fee (except there is one where you pay cash for armor and equipment, and then - through your travels - you can actually raise real cash and receive checks in the mail. supposely, you can make money off of it but, to be serious, you&apos;re going to waste a crap load of money on it).&lt;br&gt;
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and yes, swg is a horrible.  i just sold my used copy to a person in australia.  hopefully, they&apos;ll enjoy it.&lt;br&gt;
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&lt;small&gt; but if you don&apos;t mind paying, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coh.com&quot;&gt;city of heroes&lt;/a&gt; is great&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:36:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Capn</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160190</link>	
		<description>Are you committed to the RPG part of the MMORPG?  If not, if you&apos;re more interested in crafting stuff and meeting people on-line, may I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://secondlife.com/ss/?u=99a4e8e860b008dd05cb5534a3dc2225&quot;&gt;Second Life&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;small&gt;That&apos;s a referal link for me, if you don&apos;t like me you can just use http://www.secondlife.com&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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There&apos;s a free trial, then a $10 one time fee to join.  That gets you on line and in to events and stuff forever.  If you like it and actually want to maintain a presence and own stuff, then there are tiered monthly fees.&lt;br&gt;
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I find SL to be a game for creators.  It&apos;s about building and creativity and socalizing.  There&apos;s no stats or levels or anything.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:57:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aladfar</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160196</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve just picked up Neverwinter Nights and find it interesting. While there are opportunities to join persistent worlds (game servers that are always &quot;on&quot;) wherein one can meet people and interact with others, it&apos;s not a MMORPG in the same sense as Second Life. There aren&apos;t any monthly fees either.&lt;br&gt;
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It&apos;s certainly a great RPG in its own right too. I&apos;ve been tinkering with it the last few days and find it enjoyable.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:17:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: milovoo</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160199</link>	
		<description>How about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blizzard.com/starcraft/&quot;&gt;starcraft&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2exp/&quot;&gt;diablo&lt;/a&gt; on battle.net?  Not cutting edge, but fun and free (no on-line charges).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:20:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160203</link>	
		<description>Have a sense of humor?  You &lt;b&gt;need&lt;/b&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/&quot;&gt;Kingdom of Loathing&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:25:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: deadcowdan</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160207</link>	
		<description>Just to let you know where I&apos;m coming from , I&apos;ve got several friends who are real MMORPG freaks, and I&apos;ve spent more time than I want to think about watching individuals play EverQuest. For the life of me I can&apos;t figure out why anyone would want to play that damn game for more than 20 minutes.&lt;br&gt;
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That said, I&apos;d have to agree with Stynxno&apos;s recommendation of City of Heroes. It looks to be a much more fun game, with quicker action and less of the mind-numbing waiting-for-a -big-baddie-to-spawn. But of course it&apos;s not free.&lt;br&gt;
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You could always look for an old-skool MUD.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:30:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rudyfink</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160213</link>	
		<description>Try things out with free trials.  &lt;br&gt;
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I can recommend several games I have liked, but they might not be your cup of tea.  MMORPGs are like books or movies that way.&lt;br&gt;
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That said I personally recommend:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.puzzlepirates.com/&quot;&gt;Puzzle Pirates&lt;/a&gt; Puzzle&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blizzard.com/wow/&quot;&gt;World of Warcraft&lt;/a&gt; Fantasy&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://secondlife.com/&quot;&gt;Second Life&lt;/a&gt; Social&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cityofheroes.com/&quot;&gt;City of Heroes&lt;/a&gt; Fantasy&lt;br&gt;
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The above recommendations about MUDs, RTS, and FPS games are good.  What are you looking for in an online game?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:43:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aramaic</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160220</link>	
		<description>Try Guild Wars when it comes out -- beyond the software purchase itself, there are no fees.&lt;br&gt;
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...it&apos;s a little different than most MMO games (a little less RPG, more fighting), but I enjoyed their E3 &quot;demo&quot; and will be buying it.&lt;br&gt;
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Reminder: it&apos;s not released yet.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:01:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jacquilynne</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160263</link>	
		<description>Puzzle Pirates is fun (heaven knows I&apos;m more than slightly addicted) but it has a monthly fee (or quarterly or yearly) fee to play once your free trial ends.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:23:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lizc</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160288</link>	
		<description>I second the Kingdom of Loathing. I am quite hooked on it currently.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:59:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: the fire you left me</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160306</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anarchyonline.com/&quot;&gt;Anarchy Online&lt;/a&gt; has an involved, real time science fiction narrative.&lt;br&gt;
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It may also be the most advanced MMORPG.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:08:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: robocop is bleeding</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160319</link>	
		<description>If you bend to the fee, I&apos;d third City of Heroes. First month is free out of the box, so you could play, decide if it&apos;s worth it, then sell your reg code to earn some money back (I think?).</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:32:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stoneegg21</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160322</link>	
		<description>&lt;a a href=&quot;http://www.dragonrealms.com&quot;&gt;Dragon Realms&lt;/a&gt; is an RPG, with the first month free. Good if you like Dungeons and Dragons type stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:39:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quibx</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160345</link>	
		<description>Thanks all - looks like I am going to check out City of Heroes .</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:32:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: arha</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160369</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d just like to say thanks for pointing me towards Kingdom of Loathing. My boss may never forgive you however.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:14:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: themadjuggler</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160378</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m surprised no one&apos;s mentioned Diablo II and the expansion kit, Lord of Destruction. This game has the addictability of EverQuest and the cost of a cheap console RPG (the game and the expansion go for 20 bucks apiece, methinks).&lt;br&gt;
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No fees for battle.net which can be hectic, but is reliable. The game can be played once through pretty easily, but there are three difficulty levels (play through the game three times), the last being ridiculously hard. Then, there are five unique classes with entirely different abilities that you can keep playing and playing, ladders tournaments, and &quot;hardcore&quot; leagues where if you die once you&apos;re out for good.&lt;br&gt;
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Easy to figure out (lots of possible strategy, but all the action occurs by clicking).&lt;br&gt;
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Check out www.diabloii.net to read up on it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:57:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: milovoo</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160525</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&apos;m surprised no one&apos;s mentioned Diablo II ... &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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testing ... testing .. check 1 .. check 2 ... is this thing on?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:30:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alex_reno</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#160570</link>	
		<description>What&apos;s that, milovoo? We can&apos;t hear you here in the back. Could you speak up?&lt;br&gt;
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FWIW, I don&apos;t think Diablo 2 could be classified as an RPG. There isn&apos;t really any role-playing. It&apos;s all about the fighting. Which is why I like it so much.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:01:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: milovoo</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/8219/MMPORGs-for-Beginners#162450</link>	
		<description>Agreed.  It&apos;s a video game in the style of an RPG.  There are all the familiar characters Cleric, Fighter, Thief, Sorceress and they all have individual appropriate skills, but those skills are only used for one thing - fighting (well, and collecting treasure, to buy better weapons, to do more fighting) Which all-in-all makes it pretty darned fun.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:27:23 -0800</pubDate>
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