Comments on: Self-referentiality is so meta.

Question: Self-referentiality is so meta.

SpecialK — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:34:12 -0800

I'm writing a book that is heavily self-referential. How can I place markers in some other part of the document (ex: "For more information, refer to "Foo" on page "Bar") throughout the entire document and have that page Bar change as the information anchor moves around? I'm using Google Docs, but I'm willing to switch software if need be. Solution needs to be compatible with OSX.

By: baho

baho — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:41:51 -0800

LaTeX will do this quite easily with the \label and \ref commands. You can get it for OS X for free. You might want to look here first.

By: nathan_teske

nathan_teske — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:43:43 -0800

It's really, really too bad that Adobe no longer makes FrameMaker for the Mac.

By: fleeba

fleeba — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:50:22 -0800

LaTeX will do it, but you want to install MacTeX instead of i-installer. You could also do it with XML, XSLT, and FOP.

Alternatively, you might want to check out Scrivener. I haven't used it, but it's supposed to be good for writing.

By: ctmf

ctmf — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:52:24 -0800

MS Word will do it too. I don't have a copy on my mac here at home, but search the help menu for 'cross-reference'.

Unfortunately I can't figure out how to do it in Pages.

By: special-k

special-k — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:11:36 -0800

Hiya SpecialK!
Google docs obviously isn't developed enough to handle advanced features. If you switch to word, you can use the built in cross-reference feature which can be found under the insert menu. good luck.

By: special-k

special-k — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:16:30 -0800

Oh and before anyone remarks "this will givewell", SpecialK and I are two different people.

By: pharm

pharm — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:19:17 -0800

Yeah, Latex or Word. Pick your poison!

By: scruss

scruss — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:43:49 -0800

... or OpenOffice or NeoOffice, if you like the free.

By: misanthropicsarah

misanthropicsarah — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:53:38 -0800

And, for reference if you're looking to get this published in the future, when they (the publisher) import the files into their page layout program, all the page numbers will be wrong anyway. So unless you used XML with special tagging stuff (I don't know what it is or how to do it, I just know that's the thing we used to tell authors to do, and they never knew either) page numbers that are self-referential will get updated manually. Theoretially several people--including you at proofs--will double check to make sure "foo" actually is on "bar".

This is all moot if the publisher asks you for a camera-ready book, in which case you should use one of the options above.

I know this isn't exactly what you asked about, but I thought it might be helpful to know for the future.

By: cmiller

cmiller — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:10:49 -0800

Just about everything has support for this. Maybe not Google Docs, yet. Openoffice, MICROS~1 Word, LaTeX, Framemaker, Docbook.

"Hey, look, a [locationFoo]Foo!"

...

"For information about Foo, see [reference locationFoo]."

Incidentally, this is how indexes are made.