Comments on: I like Sigur Ros. What modernist composers should I listen to?

Question: I like Sigur Ros. What modernist composers should I listen to?

KokuRyu — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:32:37 -0800

What modernist classical music should I listen to? I am a big fan of Sigur Ros, especially Takk and (), and I'd like to listen to something similar. I also like Amnesiac by Radiohead quite a bit.

I also like Bjork, Mum, Boards of Canada, Tet, Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai, Godspeed! You Black Emperor...I dislike prog rock. I also listen to jazz, mostly Hard Bop.

By: anonymous78

anonymous78 — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:35:50 -0800

Postal Service, Dntel, Telepopmusik, Air, Imogen Heap/Frou Frou

By: melissam

melissam — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:44:14 -0800

I am a fan of all your favorite artists. I listen to Gorecki, Arvo Part, Hovhaness, de Falla, Copland, and Barber. I'm very interested in broadening my modern classical taste, so I'm looking forward to more answers.

If you are willing to go back futher, Gesualdo is very interesting.

By: melissam

melissam — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:45:18 -0800

the guides at emusic have some good tips http://www.emusic.com/features/hub/279/index.html

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:51:35 -0800

I'm looking for classical music here...but I do like the Postal Service. At the same time, I'm starting to outgrow pop and indie music.

With Gorecki, Arvo Part, Hovhaness, de Falla, Copland, and Barber, any specific works?

By: anonymous78

anonymous78 — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:58:56 -0800

Okay, I think the posting is not quite clear b/c I wouldn't qualify Bjork, Radiohead, and/or Sigur Ros as "modernist classical". Or rather, if you're defining them as such, I think you will have to include a lot of pop and/or indie music. Do you want what is traditionally defined as "classical" music or do you want music similar to the groups you mentioned above?

By: god hates math

god hates math — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:00:43 -0800

Rachel's are awesome. I suggested them in a totally different thread a few days back. They're not classical exactly, but they're certainly a chamber-type group.

By: Koko

Koko — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:00:44 -0800

allmusic.com is a great resource for finding artists similar to the ones you like. Just search on the artist and scroll down to where it says "similar artists".

By: umbú

umbú — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:05:21 -0800

No, no. I think KokuRyu is saying "If I like bands with sensibilities such as x,y, and z, then what modernist classical music would I like?" not "I think bands x,y, and z are modernist classical..."

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:06:05 -0800

I am looking for modernist classical music similar to Sigur Ros.

By: humannaire

humannaire — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:11:07 -0800

De Falla's El Amor Bruja as a work is a favorite of mine. It is starling, provocative, emotional, and intelligent.

Bear this in mind, KokuRyu, with classical music conductor's are often the real stars.

Herbert von Karajan conducting Beethoven/Bruno Walter conducting Mahler is as good as it gets for me.

(Incidentally, this list seems beyond reproach to me.)

By: suedehead

suedehead — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:12:27 -0800

For a more jazzy taste: Gotan Project, The Bad Plus

By: alms

alms — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:15:51 -0800

I'm not familiar with the artists you've listed, so I may be way off base, but when asked about modernist classical music, my mind turns to Elliot Carter. You need to bring a lot of attention to the music, but when you do it's transcendently beautiful.

By: BlackLeotardFront

BlackLeotardFront — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:20:32 -0800

At my site:
Eluvium
A Silver Mt. Zion
Esmerine
Colleen
Golden Arm Trio
Max Richter
The Wind-Up Bird
All highly recommended, and there's more if you look.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:30:06 -0800

I like Sigur Ros and I like post-rock, but I want to branch more into classical music, and probably won't be getting into any more pop/rock/indie music.

Any suggestions of classical music would be helpful. A New Yorker article mentions Thorkell Sigurbjörnsson and Jón Nordal, so I'll let you know what these are like.

By: phaded

phaded — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:31:22 -0800

Comparing classical music to post rock is kind of an apples to oranges comparison, no?

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:41:39 -0800

Try listening to ( ).

By: ~

Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:51:06 -0800

I like Sigur Ros and I like this sampler of contemporary classical. (You can of course listen to snippets on amazon, and see if you agree.)

By: serial_consign

serial_consign — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:50:46 -0800

I second the Max Richter recommendation. The prettier moments of Vladislav Delay may be up your alley as well. Delay is no "modernist composer" but like Sigur Ros, he's an iconoclast.

By: jet_silver

jet_silver — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:16:44 -0800

Some of Paul Hindemith's works for ensembles might suit you. "Rondo for Three Guitars", music scored for recorder, his fanfare for the Plöner Musiktag. There's an out-of-print series on GRC records - very rare but they appear now and then - of Hindemith's ensemble works.

Györgi Ligeti's "Atmospheres" has a BoC-like sensibility. This composition turns up on the "2001: A Space Odyssey" soundtrack. A number of Ligeti's compositions have an odd drifting quality.

By: Schmucko

Schmucko — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:20:48 -0800

"Modernist classical" is a little confusing. I think of the "modern" period as being about 1900 to 1950. Favorites of mine from around then: Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, early Schoenberg (Verklerte Nacht).

There are a few "crossover" performers who could help you. I'm thinking of the Kronos Quartet for example. They play a variety of contemporary "serious" musicians and you could go off on a tangent from there.

By: Sticherbeast

Sticherbeast — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:09 -0800

Arvo Part.
Samuel Barber.
Johann Johannsson's "Englaborn." (not classical, but...)

By: mr_roboto

mr_roboto — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:05:13 -0800

Schmucko writes "'Modernist classical' is a little confusing. "

Yeah; I think you're more likely looking for composers who would be called postmodern, contemporary, minimalist, or "postminimalist". "Modern" is Rachmaninov, Stravinsky, etc.

You might be interested in Glen Branca's work. He represents an interesting bridge between the worlds of experimental-popular and classical music. I don't think he's taken very seriously in the classical world, though. Not for lack of trying.

I agree on Ligeti.

Have you heard Steve Reich? I'm most familiar with his early, loop-based work (give "It's Gonna Rain" a listen), but you might be more interested in some of his work from the 90s. The Reich stuff I'm familiar with is definitely more aggressive (Godspeed or Mogwai) than melodic (SR).

By: ambilevous

ambilevous — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:10:47 -0800

In terms of more specific suggestions...

Of the Arvo Part I have listened to, Alina is my favourite - two longish pieces of music played in several ways with their own little nuances. Nice.

For Kronos Quartet, Short Stories is great; and I'm quite partial to the OST for The Fountain. Some Kronos Quartet is.. hard to listen to, I find.

By: phaded

phaded — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:26:19 -0800

Try listening to ( ).

That's post rock. So are Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai, and Godspeed You! Black Emperor, all of whom you mentioned.

If you're looking for more music along those lines, I can wholeheartedly recommend anything Saxon Shore has ever done. Other good bets are Pelican and mono.

I can't say I've ever heard of a genre called "modernist classical" before and I think we're using two different names for the same thing, but I'm willing to wager that the proper name for what you're looking for is post rock. Take a look through this list, which should greatly aid in your search.

By: Coaticass

Coaticass — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:09:32 -0800

Seconding recordings of the Kronos Quartet, you would do well to listen to any or all of their albums- in their programming they are great gatekeepers to the more accessible modern or post-modern classical compositions, and most albums have a good variety of short works by different composers. If great sweeping soundscapes are your thing you'd probably enjoy pretty much anything by Olivier Messiaen (try the Turangalila Symphony or some of his piano works for contrast), John Taverner (The Protecting Veil, Eternity's Sunrise), John Adams (Harmonilielehre... which I've recommended here before, and probably will again). Hell, you might even enjoy Mahler, though that's something of an acquired taste.

By: Coaticass

Coaticass — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:12:20 -0800

Phaded, classical music is largely subject to the same terminology as the other arts, including fine art, so yes, there is modernist classical music.

By: misteraitch

misteraitch — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:54:48 -0800

My taste in non-classical has a good overlap with yours, so here are a few contemporary classical recommendations off the top of my head, given in the hope that they might be to your liking: do be sure to 'try before you buy' though, in case these are way off the mark...

You could try some of Valentin Silvestrov's works, which tend to the slow, mournful, quiet, contemplative & elegaic: his fifth symphony is perhaps his best single work, but his chamber music has some lovely moments too.

There's also Einojuhani Rautavaara, whose music tends to have slightly more of a traditionally classical structure, and varies in mood from exhilaratingly bright & breezy to the duskily melancholic: this compilation CD looks like a great introduction to his work, as it gathers together such favourites of mine as Cantus Arcticus and the first piano concerto.

The CD Silencio by the violinist Gidon Kremer and his ensemble includes a fine version of Arvo Pärt's Tabula Rasa, and an idiosyncratic piece by the Russian composer Vladimir Martynov entitled Come In! which is a curious marriage of minimalist repetition with syrupy neo-romantic melodies.

The pianist Alexei Lubimov's recital Pourquoi je suis si sentimental includes both Silvestrov's eerily beautiful suite Kitsch-Musik and the original short version of Pärt's Alina...

By: the duck by the oboe

the duck by the oboe — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:09:18 -0800

Seconding John Adams, maybe try Shaker Loops or Naive and Sentimental Music.

Have you heard any Phillip Glass?

Shostakovich's 2nd Cello Concerto might fit the bill.

On Preview: seconding Rautavaara. If you like his stuff some of Vaughn Williams' work might be worth a look. This should give you a taste.

By: phax

phax — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:32:17 -0800

You could give last.fm a go. It's pretty good at coming up with suggestions when you have some tracks in your profile and they have streams of the "music similar to X"-variety.

By: Utilitaritron

Utilitaritron — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:41:18 -0800

Seconding Max Richter, Jóhann Jóhannsson, and John Adams's Shaker loops. Maybe also Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson (who actually did a soundtrack with Sigur Rós).

By: Joseph Gurl

Joseph Gurl — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:48:12 -0800

Morton Feldman
Iannis Xenakis - especially La Legende D'Eer
some Luigi Nono - especially .....sofferte onde serene... and La lontananza nostalgica utopica futura
Helmut Lachenmann

By: hermitosis

hermitosis — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:53:15 -0800

Unless a poster specifically says they've tried it, I'll always assume they need to try Pandora for situations like this.

By: h00py

h00py — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:04:34 -0800

I love Howard Shore's scores for "The Lord of the Rings" trilogies, and I also really love Michael Nyman's scores for both "The Piano" and "Carrington".

It's only an opinion, but I think an excellent source for modern composers is via movie scores. It seems to be the most obvious place for talented musicians composing orchestral pieces to congregate.

By: greekphilosophy

greekphilosophy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:04:56 -0800

I'll second Paul Hindemith. He's an acquired taste though, so I wouldn't suggest jumping into his sonatae or fugues for piano immediately without learning some of his more mainstream works. Check out his Symphonic Metamorphoses on Themes by Carl Maria von Weber. Also Mathis der Mahler is pretty fantastic modern classical (aslo by Hindemith) and I'm always a fan of his Symphony in Bb. Just in case you aren't aware of his style, he was German, came to America and used a lot of very curious jazz inspiration for his classical stuff, so if you hear a random trombone slide don't be freaked out.

I actually just recently created a mix cd for some friends of mine because they swore they hated modern classical. And thus was born "Modern Classical for People Who HATE Modern Classical." I wrote out some pretty extensive liner notes for it, and without those it will be hard to explain exactly why I chose these pieces. But the reader's digest version is that: modern classical music has seen the surge in popularity of non-orchestral ensembles, such as the wind ensemble and the choir (whereas traditionally, the orchestra was simply accompanied by those ensembles to add color). Thus, few of the selections are specifically orchestral - though there are some. Also, modern classical tends to use closer harmonies than classical or romantic compositions, so tone clusters are more frequent. Finally, a number of the pieces on this list are actually modern updates of traditional compositions which bridges the gap to a certain extent between the two time periods.

The track list is as follows:

1. As Summer Was Just Beginning - Daehn
2. Amazing Grace - Ticheli
3. October - Whitacre
4. Waternight - Whitacre
5. Hobbits - deMeij
6. O Danny Boy - Fred Prentice
7. Adagio for Strings (Choral) - Barber
8. Morningstar - Maslanka
9. Southern Harmony, Exhiliration - Grantham
10. Concerto for 24 Winds, Allegro Molto - Hartley
11. Symphony 5, II. Allegro Marcato - Prokofiev
12. Symphony in Bb, III. - Hindemith
13. Gloriosa, III. - Ito

Oooh, also, it's a pretty old instrument, but if you can get ahold of any recordings of glass armonica players, you might be pleasantly surprised by their stuff. It's a terribly strange instrument and it totally sounds like space music. :)

By: greekphilosophy

greekphilosophy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:07:21 -0800

h00py is absolutely right about movie scores.

I listened to the soundtrack to Bicentennial Man this morning on my way to work. It's very lush and deep, but also very modern with the way Howard composes "machine music" in order to really evoke the understanding of the android.

Philip Glass was suggested above, and he's done a number of good soundtracks and collaborations (the Qatsi trio comes to mind).

By: h00py

h00py — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:24:21 -0800

Oh, ergh, trilogy of course.

By: wittgenstein

wittgenstein — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:32:37 -0800

Steve Reich's Music For 18 Instruments is quite powerful as is his Desert Music.

(But Reich is not to everyone's taste.)

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:47:01 -0800

A lurker tracked down my email address (!) and send me a response, which this group may find interesting:

If you like Sigur Ros, Radiohead, and so on, then here are a few ideas to pursue. My guess is you like the interesting rhythms and tonality without the abrasiveness that is being suggested in the MF responses. For one, Radiohead uses really amazing time signatures and harmonic structure. If you like that, check out Kyle Gann\'s blog on Artsjournal and search for meta-metric music. Here\'s a link of interest:

http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/2007/05/postminimalism_chapter_one_met.html

A writer by the name of Alex Ross, at the New Yorker, keeps a really good blog, as well. His articles on Radiohead, Bjork, and the mentions of Sigur Ros suggest that he\'d be someone whose tastes you\'d like. Check out his blog at

http://www.therestisnoise.com/

Among modern composers, check out the following names:

* John Luther Adams (NOT John Adams), especially pieces like The Light That Fills the World and White Country (I think I have that right - it\'s a piano piece played only on the white keys)

* Robert Ashley - an \"opera\" composer who does something incredibly beautiful with language and speech, perhaps a bit challenging, but worth it. More Radiohead than Sigur Ros. Check out \"Dust\" or \"Perfect Lives\" or \"Improvement\" before you head to things like \"Celestial Excursions.\" He\'s on the Lovely Music label.

* Terry Riley does a wonderful hypnotic kind of minimalism (not the Reich or Glass style, but the original conceptual art kind of minimalism, where you take an idea and work it to its logical end conclusion, as simply as possible). I\'d suggest pieces like \"Poppy Nogood...\" or \"In C,\" a classic of the minimalist genre. It sounds chaotic, but has a wonderful logic to it. Lots of different versions exist, where the Bang on a Can recording of \"In C\" is probably the easiest to hear the first time.

* La Monte Young is freaking impossible to find, but if you get lucky and find the Well Tuned Piano, get it. Five hours of amazing music, seems atonal at first, then slowly the just intonation becomes very, very appealing.

* William Duckworth is a \"postminimalist\" composer who had the totally lovely \"Southern Harmony\" a few decades back and also just openly released the \"iPod opera 2.0\" which retells the story of Orpheus. It\'s amazing. You can get the podcast mp3 files at .

Here are some better known classic pieces that might appeal to you as well...

* Steve Reich\'s piece \"Music for 18 Musicians\" is a standout

* Philip Glass\'s \"Music in 12 Parts\" is an amazing piece, and several versions exist. If you like it, then the more challenging and fabulous \"Einstein on the Beach\" would be worth it, but anything after, say, Koyaanisqatsi is probably not as related to Sigur Ros or Radiohead.

This is just touching the surface on the amazing field of modern classical (or postclassical, as many of the artists call it).

By: troybob

troybob — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:06:34 -0800

I like the same kinda music (also moving away from the indie thing in a few different directions), and the classical stuff I seek out when I want this kind of vibe is Ligeti and Erik Satie.

By: bassjump

bassjump — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:14:20 -0800

Here are some suggestions:

- the Kronos Quartet's recording of Philip Glass string quartets

- Shostakovich. I love love love the string quartets. Also check out the preludes and fugues for piano.

- Try listening to Kaija Saariaho, a Finnish composer.

- Seconding Ligeti, Steve Reich, John Adams, Arvo Part (I love his choral works), Michael Nyman (listen to The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat), Rautavaara (try the string quartets or the Cantus Arcticus).

- I also second melissam's suggestion to go further back. Maybe listen to Gesualdo, Monteverdi, Josquin, Gabrieli, di Lasso, etc.

I tend to lean towards chamber music rather than big symphonic or choral stuff, but that's just a matter of taste.

By: paulfreeman

paulfreeman — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:20:44 -0800

You should check out Aniima, The string quartet who play with Sigur Ros a lot.

A good introduction to other Icelandic music is the film "Screaming Masterpiece" a documentary about the Icelandic music scene which features Sigur Ros, Aniima, Bjork (Solo, and earlier works) - Sigur Ros and Hilmar ùrn Hilmarsson's collaberation "Odin's Raven Magic" in particular sounds like it would fit what you're looking for.

By: phaded

phaded — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:29:45 -0800

Well I've learned something new here, then. I too shall investigate this...post-classical.

By: rhinny

rhinny — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:48:08 -0800

Naxos released a sampler called Sonic Rebellion that's all interesting non-traditional classical music. You probably won't like everything on it, but it's a good starting point if you want to go "alternative". It shouldn't be more than $5. We listen to it constantly at work [selling classical musics]... whenever the Jorgen Plaetner track comes on, the stuffier customers bolt for the exit. It tends to put us clerks into fits of giggles.

Also, seconding Part [Tabula Rasa, Alina], Glass [Heroes Symphony, Symphony #8, Soundtracks to the Qatsi trilogy], and Terry Riley [this is a particularly enjoyable recording of In C] .

By: indienial

indienial — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:29:58 -0800

Try and find an album called "aristocracy and the horse" by an indie band called Radarmaker. I think they're on Myspace, but I am at work so I can't find you their link. They list as references pretty much all the bands you listed in your OP. Damn good band!