Comments on: Legally finding someone's military history?

Question: Legally finding someone's military history?

sidereal — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:05:56 -0800

Is there any legal way to find out a person's military history?

A female friend of mine ("Alice") is dating a guy ("Bob") who says he was/is a United States Army Ranger. Bob claims to have been involved in, among other things, a certain high-profile Ranger mission in another country ("Elbonia"). Alice sometimes wonders if Bob really went there, or if he is even a Ranger.

Is there any legal way to find out a person's military involvement, if you just know their name? How can Alice legally find out if Bob is telling the truth about having served in Elbonia, without actually demanding that Bob himself provide proof?

I'm stressing legally here, because I mean it - legally. Not nudge nudge wink wink. I mean, no poking things that end in .GOV or .MIL with a pointy stick. What, if anything, is available to Alice?

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:12:07 -0800

Access to Military Records by the General Public. Looks you need his SSN (or Service Number), and I can't imagine this is a rush service.

By: JJ86

JJ86 — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:23:37 -0800

If she knows which unit he served with and when she could make a post to the Army Rangers Forum and ask. I don't think it is out of line. They take lying wannabes seriously.

By: thinkingwoman

thinkingwoman — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:24:06 -0800

i think the bigger question is why alice has doubts? chances are, if he's giving her reason to question his veracity, something fishy is going on. i'm a strong believer in listening to one's gut.

i'm not sure how much she can find out without asking him outright. however, sneaking around behind his back isn't a great way to start a relationship if he really did serve.

she should just talk to him about his service. find out where he went to boot camp, where he was stationed, etc. she could "plant" a few telltale questions, like where he went to ranger school (fort benning) or what they give you when you become a ranger (spurs), or the ranger creed ("rangers lead the way").

but these are all easily findable on the internet, so a halfway decent con man could answer these questions convincingly. it's a tough call. ultimately, if she thinks he's lying, she should split.

By: sidereal

sidereal — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:28:01 -0800

Aptly named thinkingwoman, her friends and I agree with you, though that's outside the scope of this question. But yes, yes. We're talking about that too.

By: Floydd

Floydd — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:30:46 -0800

Quick Guide to obtaining military records.

Here's a list of phonies, you could search for him here.

By: Durin's Bane

Durin's Bane — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:38:29 -0800

plokent and 4ster, the parallelism between Alice, Bob, and Elbonia all in quotation marks would suggest that Elbonia is being used as a placeholder for a real country just for the purposes of this thread. Correct, sidereal?

By: Ironmouth

Ironmouth — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:46:54 -0800

I'd definitely look into this. A friend is currently heading into a train wreck with this. Get the records to be sure.

By: sidereal

sidereal — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:06:37 -0800

Durin's Bane, yes, I'm trying to respect Alice's privacy as much as possible with all the munging.

By: 4ster

4ster — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:27:04 -0800

My apologies. Thanks Durin's Bane for getting me straight on this.

By: kanemano

kanemano — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:30:20 -0800

In my experience, the guy's and girls who served overseas in hairy situations almost never talk about it, and the guy's, mostly guys, who give lavish details about how bad it was and how much ass they kicked are lying about it completely

By: sidereal

sidereal — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:45:39 -0800

4ster, no apologies necessary, you're working with a heavily munged post :) I'm sorry if this makes things awkward. The essential question is true, and I appreciate the links I've gotten so far (and so fast!)

By: rentalkarma

rentalkarma — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:52:10 -0800

Seconding Floydd's link to the POW network.

Other easy things to do that don't even require a computer:

Ask this guy to show you his DD-214. If he "can't find it", he's probably lying. If he didn't get one, he's lying.

Was he in a Ranger battalion? (Sounds like it.) He would have been required to attend Airborne school. Ask him the "five points of contact." If he doesn't know, he's lying.

Ask him what identifiers he has on his MOS. He should at least have a G for Ranger, or a V for Airborne Ranger. If he doesn't know, he's probably lying.

This is the best one, and can be worked casually into a conversation: Ask him to recite the Ranger Creed. If he doesn't know, word for word, he is 100% DEFINITELY lying.

(FWIW, I am a paratrooper, Afghanistan vet, and in Army special operations.)

By: jquinby

jquinby — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:54:01 -0800

Any chance your friend can engineer a meeting with another friend with military experience? I talked to a friend of mine once (who really was in the Army) and he told me that it's fairly easy for vets to spot poseurs, especially with a few key questions.