Comments on: Oh, that's a zombie.

Question: Oh, that's a zombie.

ikkyu2 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:52:22 -0800

Please list visual traits that identify zombies.

If I were looking at a humanoid, or a picture of a humanoid, what visual traits would quickly alert me that I was looking at a zombie?

I don't mean behaviors (such as eating brains); I mean features of a static image that I could glance at quickly and immediately think to myself, "Oh, that's a zombie." Or, if I were drawing a zombie, things I could include so that the viewer of my art would immediately identify the image: "Oh, that's a zombie."

By: patricio

patricio — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:53:19 -0800

deeply sunken bloodshot eyes

By: mmascolino

mmascolino — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:55:10 -0800

a limp. vacant look their eyes as they stare forward. Arms vaguely out stretched.

/me gets all his info from Night of the Living Dead.

By: fogster

fogster — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:55:25 -0800

Disclaimer: I don't believe I've encountered any zombies IRL. I am a huge fan of Dead Rising, though.

I think a lot of zombie characteristics are behavioral, which doesn't help with drawing them. But they usually have their arms kind of sticking out. (Although that might be confused with sleepwalking... Which I suppose is kind of what zombies do, in a sense?)

There's a possibility they'd be bleeding from the head or have other head trauma.

By: jjg

jjg — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:56:25 -0800

Rotting flesh, but the individual is clearly still mobile. Dried blood caked around the mouth, chin, and neck from feasting on human flesh.

By: iamabot

iamabot — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:56:48 -0800

A caption of them saying "Braaaaaaaaaaiiiinnnnssss".

Dead giveaway every time.

Oh, andif they look like they are moving fast, they aren't zombies. @#!@$% 28 days later, zombies are not supposed to move that fast, even virus infected adhoc zombies.

By: Elsa

Elsa — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:56:54 -0800

Stance.

The zombie's shambling (which a static picture wouldn't show) is arguably a result of the stiffening (or atrophying?) of muscles combined with the zombie's carelessness for the carcass that is his or her vehicle. Posture will come across in a still photo, though motion won't.

Slack mouth. Blank expression unless alerted to prey.

By: jjg

jjg — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:57:30 -0800

Pale or grayish skin and a generally disheveled appearance.

By: lohmannn

lohmannn — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:58:28 -0800

arms outstretched, mouth open/bloody, eyes large and dead-looking, limbs are stiff, position/movement is awkward, limping, hands over-sized and bloody, parts and pieces of the body are missing or have holes in them, or rotten away/black. the resident evil series pulls this off terrifyingly well. zombies are traditionally pale and skinny (think fresh from the grave), with limbs that are very boney and skeletal-looking. teeth are usually prominent and large/bloody. the image should scream "mmm humans! yummy"

By: silverstatue

silverstatue — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:01:09 -0800

i would think some wound that, if it happened to a living person, would make them die. Thus, if they're still upright and conscious, they must be a zombie. Something like a missing limb, a head wound where the brain is visible, etc.

On preview, what jjg said.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:04:03 -0800

Any disconnect between the dead and the living. Grey skin and rolled-back eyes or hollowed eyesockets, coupled with a posture that suggests some kind of movement or capability of movement, for example. That disconnect need not be all that over-the-top to convey "zombie" effectively.

By: cowbellemoo

cowbellemoo — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:04:07 -0800

To build on Elsa, I would describe zombie posture as asymmetrically balanced. They're fairly stable postures, since they're slow and might be dragging limbs.

By: spec80

spec80 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:06:53 -0800

I think since because zombies are living dead, their muscles are deteriorating including the ones in their face. So slackjawed, drooling (do the livind dead produce drool? not sure), eyes unfocused.

By: hobgadling

hobgadling — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:10:49 -0800

This Penny Arcade strip is a pretty good example of what everyone here is talking about: gray, peeling skin; eyes rolled back a little; arms forward; looks like he's lurching around. Even if they weren't talking about zombies, you'd know thats what he was.

By: fidelity

fidelity — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:11:56 -0800

Skin color. I believe the solanum does something to the skin color.

By: SBMike

SBMike — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:13:08 -0800

They'd probably be wearing torn clothes. Since many of the zombies would have been created from bites from previous zombies, many of them will have died struggling. Probably their shoelaces would be untied as well, since they lack the motor skills or inclination to tie them up again. Many might be missing one or both shoes as a result.

By: occhiblu

occhiblu — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:15:12 -0800

I pretty much always picture them as decomposing corpses, but mobile. So, whatever damage would naturally occur to a body after death.

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:15:56 -0800

Head tilted slightly sideways and/or forward from atrophied neck muscles.

By: monkeymadness

monkeymadness — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:17:15 -0800

Hair missing in patches, blood and dirt stains on clothes, maybe an arm or ankle bent in an unnatural way. Think of them as puppets made out of meat and you're on your way. And definitely missing and bloody teeth, for sure.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:21:48 -0800

ikkyu2, I drew up a quick schematic to show what I'm talking about in terms of simplicity.

Note that the simplistic approach may not work if you're operating in a universe that seldom deals with zombies, such as a CNN Presidential Debate, or a Xuxa video. In those cases, a little bit extra might be needed on the "establishing zombie" (the first zombie that the audience sees and is able to identify as a member of the undead). For said establishing zombie, you'd want to use a little extra, such as other folks have suggested: torn clothes, slack jaw, assymetric gait, etc.

By: mckenney

mckenney — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:25:10 -0800

yeah, definitely slack jaw and lolling head, shuffling gait, visible severe trauma/bites.

Or, you know, emerging from a covered grave. That would probably be a pretty good tip-off.

By: chairface

chairface — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:25:51 -0800

Bad teeth, missing body parts, oozing blood that isn't red, dangling organs, mouth agape...and a sign saying "Will work for brains."

By: Pantengliopoli

Pantengliopoli — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:28:01 -0800

What weapons-grade said, and also a different height across the shoulders (i.e. one shoulder's hunched up a bit). Perhaps one foot turned out to the side, which drags as they shuffle.

By: zephyr_words

zephyr_words — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:28:54 -0800

A picture is worth a thousand words and here is a gallery with 268 pictures.

Dead Rising Zombie Gallery

By: ourobouros

ourobouros — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:30:25 -0800

Ah, yes -- poor posture. Zombies often seem to be slumped way over to one side, dragging a leg like dead weight (probably damaged in the attack that killed them). And because they feel no pain, they can walk and support weight on joints that are grossly out of alignment -- feet twisted around, elbows bent backwards, etc.

By: kittens for breakfast

kittens for breakfast — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:33:54 -0800

Flies, eyes boiling with maggots, maybe some worm action -- you don't see a whole lot of larval insects, etc. chowing down on the zombies in most films (not even since the advent of CGI, which would make it much simpler to pull off), but you certainly would were zombies real.

By: revmitcz

revmitcz — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:38:41 -0800

I got painted up like a zombie for a horror TV show pilot. So, I've undergone "the transformation".

Here's some photos :
1, 2, 3, 4, and a higher-res shot of the full-body look here.

Some things that were done :
- Pale skin
- Sunken eyes
- Thick, blue veins on my face
- Mortal wounds and/or heavy scarring
- White-out contacts
- I had to move slow, and basically act like a braindead drunk

Basically, find pictures of people who've died (or movie characters who've died) out in the woods, left to rot. Then, picture them standing upright and trying to move very slowly while looking like they did while lying there dead and decomposing.

By: Riki tiki

Riki tiki — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:38:41 -0800

Hair: stringy, patchy if they're meant to have been dead for a while before "getting better." Disheveled at the minimum.

Eyes: unfocused, cataractous. Not bloodshot, as that implies normal bloodflow, but a blown-out vessel would be a good effect.

Mouth: open, teeth rotting. Maybe some blood dripping from their last victim, although I personally prefer 28 Days Later's depiction of zombies that are more violent than hungry.

Face: all mucous membranes should have gone haywire. Eye boogers, crusty nose.

Skin: discolored; pale, grey if they're undead, jaundiced if they're "sickness" zombies. Acne patterns indicating infection and immune response. Visible pus a plus. More burst blood vessels.

Shape: emaciated is the norm, although nothing is creepier than an obese zombie (well, except maybe a child zombie). Slumping forward, obviously disregarding any musculature that isn't strictly necessary at any given moment.

Attire: torn, rotted clothes. Try to keep it to plausible wear and tear: neat rips around the sleeve or an entire missing article of clothing say "Aberzombie and Fitch catalog" rather than the consequence of a primitive nature.

Feet: calloused and shredded. Filthy with grime and clotted blood.

By: slimepuppy

slimepuppy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:41:35 -0800

Aimless movement. Most people walk with a destination in mind, at least in the immediate distance. Zombies shuffle without a direction. Unless you've been sussed out, and then you're pretty fucked. General slump and inelegant gait should give it away nicely. And, as has been demonstrated in Night of the Living Dead, it's not really the zombies you want to look out for anyway...

By: slimepuppy

slimepuppy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:43:14 -0800

Unless they're the 2 Fast 2 Furious zombies that are popular with kids today, then you don't have much to identify them with, aside from the running, screaming, blood and possibly missing limbs.

By: banannafish

banannafish — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:01:27 -0800

Low, throaty growl. Imagine Stevie Nicks first thing in the morning.

By: Space Kitty

Space Kitty — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:18:57 -0800

In my mind, zombies are always associated with gray-colored skin.

By: damn dirty ape

damn dirty ape — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:26:28 -0800

I think the bottom lip has to hang low to allow drool out and to show the lower half of his teeth. He should have all his teeth, but they should be brown-ish.

By: YoBananaBoy

YoBananaBoy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:28:09 -0800

Bush can describe them.

By: buka

buka — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:30:01 -0800

I think Shaun of the Dead is the film of record on this issue and your best reference, as it (in my experience) most accurately depicts both of nature and mannerisms of zombies as well as their physical appearance.

Most of the key identifying features have already been well covered: the grayish pall; rotting flesh; vacant stare; halting, stumbling walk; the low moans of the anathematized. I would add, however, that perhaps one of the most reliable methods for identifying this particular subset of the undead is their single-minded fixation on the brains of the living. There's nothing casual or subtle in their pursuit, and while single-minded determination to devour the contents of human skulls is a state of mind and therefore does not readily translate into a quantifiable physical characteristic, this fixation manifests in the average zombie's fixed stare on its intended victim. Any clever and experienced observer who had made a serious study of these fascinating creatures would no doubt tell you that an unblinking and unwavering attention is one of the key hallmarks to look for when assessing potential zombies.

By: rob511

rob511 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:08:03 -0800

"Must ... watch ... YoBananaBoy's ... link ... to ... final ... frame."

See also.

By: niles

niles — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:20:24 -0800

what visual traits would quickly alert me that I was looking at a zombie?
Hey Doc, this isn't for work, is it?

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:26:09 -0800

Also key is the missing lips, exposing the teeth and gums completely.

By: jadepearl

jadepearl — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:10:48 -0800

My usual way of discerning the undead is the lack of steamed/steamy breath on cold days emanating from them. However, all the other upthread indicators work too when the rot sets in but the freshly dead need to be identified too.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:36:35 -0800

Please tell us why you ask! :)

Obviously one danger of zombies is that they can be so hard to distinquish from er... scruffier members of society. Until it is too late.

Eye witness account indicate that zombies can be at various stages of decay, from very recently dead, to very far gone.

If the photo was of the alleged zombie lying still on a table, there would be no smoking-gun visible sign that it was not simply a corpse - the photo simply does not show that the corpse can move, and that's what separates zombies from corpses.

In absence of a visual smoking gun (such as a photo of a far-gone corpse standing or in mid-stride), signs that are not conclusive but which would warrant further investigation would be evidence of movement after death, for example:
- Motion blur on part of the corpse, but not elsewhere.
- Flesh or blood in the mouth, especially if it appears fresher than the body.
- Evidence of adaption to surroundings, such as gripping a hand-rail (or similar) near, say, a morgue table, when one assumes that death was diagnosed elsewhere and the corpse subsequently brought to the morgue.
- Other forensicy type detective-case clues that indicate the body has been moved after death, or that death occurred before the body was dumped in the water and so it wasn't a drowning, etc.

For a photo of a person on the street, look for incongruities. NONE of these are smoking guns, but when more than one is present, further investigation is recommended:

- A fashionable ensemble being worn in an unmaintained state inconsistent with the vanity that assembled it. For some people, even an untied shoelace can be starkly out of place.

- Hindrances being ignored. For example, trash caught on a shoe, one arm immobilized by a slipped backpack strap, hairpiece come undone and covering eyes, etc.

- Evidence of violent behaviour. For example a bloody tote-dog bag.

- Evidence of violence having been inflicted. For example, torn clothing, blood, or injury.

- Modesty being ignored. In absence of continued threat, torn or missing clothing that has become revealing will often be held in place by living humans. Toupees are never allowed to hang partly off, etc etc.

- Trauma being ignored - bleeding without smears from wiping, ignored visible bites, or injuries, or missing digits, etc. When the shock has subsided, living humans often hold or nurse any injuries they are aware of.

- Trauma ignored for long periods. For example, a small scalp cut where the blood has been allowed to run into the eyes and clot there.

- Evidence of violent flesh eating - blood, flesh, hair, around mouth and finger nails.

- Evidence of massive and/or fatal trauma while still standing. (duh)

- Evidence of absent-mindedness or poor co-ordination. For example, clutching a leash with no dog. Struggling through a hedge when a pathway is visible nearby. Being on the road and not appearing to be alert for or aware of traffic.

- Evidence of relieving self in clothes.

- Others nearby exhibiting similar incongruities.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:09:40 -0800

Here is a Zombie Identification Chart

By: ikkyu2

ikkyu2 — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:52:07 -0800

Please tell us why you ask!

I wish to photoshop a black and white photograph to make it clearly and immediately identifiable as a zombie version of the famous person it's a photo of.

It's harder than it sounds.

By: -harlequin-

-harlequin- — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:05:27 -0800

Ahh.

If you haven't already, google for zombie or zombification photoshop tutorials. There are quite a lot of them, (here and here, are just the first two), check them out and see if any are a style that you think would be effective for the photo you're using. If you find the right one, the steps to do it are included as a bonus :-)

By: mikepop

mikepop — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:18:34 -0800

You might want to look at/cut&paste some of my zombie kickball photographs.

By: nanojath

nanojath — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:54:48 -0800

If you can, you should put up some of your failed attempts and link to them here, it might be easier for people to advise what's unzombielike about them.

The basic premise of a zombie is that they are dead, yet animate. Most of their strictly-appearance features are thus the features of corpses in various states of decay: pallid skin, clouded eyes, sunken, shadowed features, physical trauma, disheveled hair/clothes. So your problem is going to be ending up with photos that merely make the individual look dead. So action shots might work better than head shots. Some blood around the mouth (from feasting on human flesh) couldn't hurt.

By: Pope Guilty

Pope Guilty — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:25:05 -0800

harlequin, any chance of a larger-sized version of that, say, something suitable for printing?

By: quin

quin — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:37:38 -0800

I like the point raised in World War Z, where the zombie's eyes would develop a grayish color because there was no moisture to keep the surface of the eye lubricated, and it would become scratched with tiny abrasions.

Also, Nthing the body posture. Asymmetrical support from broken/ wounded/ atrophied limbs. Whenever you see a zombie movie, you can always tell the zombies, even in silhouette because of the body posture.

By: sluglicker

sluglicker — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:56:47 -0800

One of my favorite depictions of zombies was from "The Serpent and the Rainbow" film by Wes Craven, particularly the photo the hero was shown of a Haitian man who had died and was buried but was spotted roaming around town later on. Not typical, and not really horrific in the usual sense, but when I saw it, I thought, "That's a zombie!"

By: ikkyu2

ikkyu2 — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:17:53 -0800

Thanks to everyone for their participation and answers.

I'd like to apologize to the folks from Metatalk who were worried that this was hypotheticalFilter. I'd honestly forgotten that hypothetical zombie questions were a hot-button issue, here, and I should have been more clear about my goals in the original post.

When the project is closer to done, it'll get posted to Projects. Thanks again everyone!

By: Tuwa

Tuwa — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:44:40 -0800

I see buka mentioned the film already, but it's a great line: "Just look at the face: it's vacant, with a hint of sadness. Like a drunk who's lost a bet."

By: BrotherCaine

BrotherCaine — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:14:58 -0800

Ikkyu2, smooth out any dynamic wrinkles a bit. By which I mean any wrinkles that are the result of emotional expression rather than skin sagging.