Comments on: Melodic(?) hiphop recommendations

Question: Melodic(?) hiphop recommendations

slimepuppy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:17:12 -0800

Help me find melodic(?) hip hop.

I've recently discovered a sub-genre of hiphop that I describe as "melodic hip hop". Along the lines of the Opening to Boondocks by Asheru & Madvillain - All Caps. It's the use of horns and piano on top of a good beat really does it for me. Is this a specific genre within hiphop that I can pursue further or do you have recommendations for further listening? Should I look for more stuff by Asheru and Madvillain? Recommendations for artists, specific songs, albums, that sort of thing. Yes, I'm a complete novice in the genre but am willing to learn. I have looked at this question already. Some stuff there that piques my interest, but the criteria is different to mine.

As an aside, I also like Aesop Rock and Saul Williams (especially Evil Nine from the former and Black Stacey/List of Demands by the latter). And triphop along the lines of Massive Attack and DJ Shadow. But none of these artists are really what I'm looking for now. Right?

Many thanks!

By: schroedinger

schroedinger — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:20:18 -0800

Try k-os, especially his album Joyful Rebellion.

By: AV

AV — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:28:17 -0800

I'm no hip-hop expert by a long shot, but Sacrifice by Jedi Mind Tricks fits the bill and is very awesome.

By: rtha

rtha — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:35:02 -0800

I don't know if it counts as hip-hop - what is hip-hop these days? - but you might like Honeycut's The Day I Turned to Glass.

By: opsin

opsin — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:35:21 -0800

I'd recommend checking out Youngblood Brass Band, who despite being a brass band, are very hip hop influenced. Possibly more rock and jazz influenced than what you're after.
Probably more simply hiphop, but along the lines of the more melodic stuff, Jesse Dangerously and Backburner (appears to be a free download) - What have you done for rap lately?
Aesop Rock might be worth a look if you don't know him, as Jurassic 5, who do a lot of quite harmonic stuff with their voices.

By: spec80

spec80 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:33 -0800

Try Quannum. I've seen it labeled as Quannum MCs, Quannum Projects and just Quannum. Here's their song Lyrics Born. Wiki says they're a hip hop collective. I have no idea what that means, but I like their music.

By: spec80

spec80 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:37:44 -0800

Sorry, Lyrics Born is the artist. The song is "I Changed My Mind."

By: vers

vers — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:40:28 -0800

A bit genre-twisting, but I'm hooked on this US3 song.

By: opsin

opsin — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:46:04 -0800

Sorry, completely missed the mention of Aesop Rock. One of those days...

By: cowbellemoo

cowbellemoo — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:46:22 -0800

There are a few great RJD2 tracks that fit your examples. Try out "Final Frontier." Also, for another cartoon connection, check out Danger Doom's "Space Hos."

By: radsqd

radsqd — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:56:30 -0800

seconding ko-os

By: monkeymadness

monkeymadness — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:58:50 -0800

Not sure if it's what you're going for, but Arrested Development, De La Soul, and PM Dawn are some mainstream bands that are more melodic than most mainstream hip hop. DeLa, for one, is too good to pass up just because they are/were popular, so be sure not to limit yourself to indies.

By: infinityjinx

infinityjinx — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:00:31 -0800

Atmosphere.

By: sourwookie

sourwookie — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:06:23 -0800

Pharcyde's Otha Fish fits the bill really well, as well as likely to put a lump in your throat.

Listen. Now.

By: sourwookie

sourwookie — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:10:21 -0800

Opsin: How did you come across Jesse Dangerously? You're the first person I've encountered outside of Canada that's heard of him.

We used to correspond on a Lore Fitzgerald Sjoberg fan board years ago. Weerie.

So, yeah, seconding the Jesse Dangerously.

By: box

box — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:12:23 -0800

Plenty of hip-hop producers are known for their use of horns--DJ Premier and Pete Rock are among the most widely-respected ones.

By: The Straightener

The Straightener — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:18:25 -0800

Dalek

By: opsin

opsin — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:19:47 -0800

Sourwookie: My bro found his podcast somehow, as we both trawl around searching for music from all round the world. He grabbed How To Express Your Dissenting Political Viewpoint Through Origami, and hearing Damaged Senses just cemented the opinion.
I mean, hiphop with Elizabethan riffs? Hells yea!

By: ArgentCorvid

ArgentCorvid — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:23:25 -0800

on the soundtrack for Samurai Champloo, Fat Jon and Force of Nature do a lot of that kind of stuff. Alot of it is background music for the show, and doesn't have much voice over it though.

I don't really know, but I am interested because I too would like to find more hip hop like this.

By: AceRock

AceRock — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:32:37 -0800

Check out De La Soul's "Buhloone Mindstate", Common Sense's "Resurrection", and the Pharcyde "Bizarre Ride II".

If you like DJ Shadow, check out his crew: Blackalicious and Latyrx (Lateef and Lyrics Born each have solo stuff out too) are some of the most talented artists out there.

nth'ing dj premier, pete rock and RJD2 (and soul position).

I envy you the road you're starting on.

p.s. almost doesn't need to be said, but you could try using pandora.com

By: zackola

zackola — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:36:27 -0800

Jurassic 5, Quality Control.
The Roots,
Outkast,
De La Soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9twbBh2Hd0
Some good stuff off the Judgement Night soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyfQLTf-B2I
But there's a ton of bad stuff on there too.

By: nobody

nobody — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:34:23 -0800

You might find what you're looking for on Victor Vaughn's first album (Vaudeville Villain), especially "Saliva" (produced by RJD2).

Victor Vaughn is another name of MF Doom's (or vice versa), who is one half of Madvillain, so you may have found these already.

(Also, and I'm sure you've heard this already, DJ Dangermouse's Gray Album (Jay Z + The Beatles) fits your criteria pretty perfectly.)

By: nobody

nobody — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:38:24 -0800

Oh, The Fugees, of course. And Lauryn Hill.

By: heartquake

heartquake — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:19:02 -0800

K-os for sure, The Roots, Jurassic 5, The Pharcyde - mmmm, good ole' Hip-Hop.

By: Bella Sebastian

Bella Sebastian — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:02:57 -0800

Thank you so much for asking this question! I'm getting some great recommendations. I've been meaning to ask something similar ever since I fell in love with Flypaper by K-os.

By: sparkletone

sparkletone — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:37 -0800

I know of Jesse Dangerously via various connections with Frontalot, and am not Canadian.

And, uh. Everyone I can think of off the top of my head has already been suggested.

By: The Esteemed Doctor Bunsen Honeydew

The Esteemed Doctor Bunsen Honeydew — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:14:48 -0800

RJD2 (especially DeadRinger)
nthing De La Soul
EL-P (on Def Jux with Aesop and RJD2, really likes Philip. K. Dick)
Mos Def
Blackstar (which is the collab between Mos Def and Talib Kweli) and Common both rely heavily on (good) R&B source material for their beats, to good effect.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:29:01 -0800

"Is this a specific genre within hiphop that I can pursue further or do you have recommendations for further listening?"

It's called Backpack Hip-Hop, pretty much. It overlaps with "underground" and "conscious" and Native Tongues hip hop, but the boundaries are fuzzy.

What you should do is start out at Tribe Called Quest's Midnight Marauders on AMG, and start exploring through there. You'll find Pharcyde, Slum Village and Jay D. You'll probably run across Guru and Rass Kass and The Coup, but they're only partially melodic. Dalek, much as I love 'em, isn't melodic so much as abstract. But Common and Jean Grae and The Roots? Go for it. Check out the labels Stones Throw and Quannum.

By: vito90

vito90 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:42:04 -0800

I have to second Guru, especially Jazzmatazz Part 1. Truly an amazing album, lots of horns and sax and great flowing rhymes. And I agree that as good as Aesop Rock and El-P are it's not quite a fit for what you seek.

By: Metametadata

Metametadata — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:47:32 -0800

Genre's you might want to check out are alternative hip hop or conscious hip hop. Both genre's were widespread during the Golden Age of hip hop. The lyrics are usually empowering and often focus on social issues, providing an "alternative" to the misogyny and violence of of gansta rap. The music is very often heavily and consciously influenced by Jazz, Funk and Soul; earlier African-American music genres that are considered empowering by the alternative hip hop artists. It's the Jazz, Funk and Soul, the bring the melodies we all like so much. Most of the artists mentioned in this thread are also listed as alternative bands along with many others on wikipedia. One glaring omission (to my eyes anyway) is the Digable Planets.

By: Metametadata

Metametadata — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:49:24 -0800

Genres not genre's.

By: slimepuppy

slimepuppy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:47:20 -0800

Wow. You guys are amazing. My iTunes (and wallet) are gonna die screaming with all these tunes. Many thanks for all the suggestions so far! Keep 'em coming.

By: micayetoca

micayetoca — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:09:45 -0800

I think you would enjoy Orishas a lot. There's an online player on that page.

La Mala Rodríguez has also been turning more and more melodic with each new record.

By: 31d1

31d1 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:18:05 -0800

Return of The Crooklyn Dodgers

By: carsonb

carsonb — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:39:13 -0800

I had a whole thing typed out, but you should just follow klangklangston's advice. He has given you the direction you need to find what you want.

I will plug Madlib specifically, however. He's got about a zillion releases on Stone's Throw; I'd say start with something like Sound Directions - The Funky Side of Life if you lean to the funk side and Yesterday's Universe if you lean jazzwise. Caveat: neither of those albums are rap albums. They're hip hop, but there's no rapping. For the rapping, try Lootpack.