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	<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:49:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Question: How do I use my stock options?</title>
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		<description>Any investors out there? My company gave me some stock options for the last several years, and I haven&apos;t a clue how to to use them. [more inside] &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; I recently received a statement, which basically says for options granted 5/1/2002, i was granted 250 options, which 125 have vested. It says the income on the options if $12.295. What does all this mean, and how can I utilize this investment opportunity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:22:38 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>benjh</dc:creator>
		
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		<title>By: falconred</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#134805</link>	
		<description>You should really visit a broker, they deal with this stuff all the time.  They&apos;ll be able to help you purchase the options and understand the tax implications of having investment income.&lt;br&gt;
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For firms willing to accept small-time investors (less than $3-$5 thousand), you might want to check out TDWaterhouse or Edward Jones.</description>
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		<title>By: Voivod</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#134847</link>	
		<description>Has your company gone public?  Typically these options can&apos;t be converted into shares and sold until the company has gone public.   If the company is public, talk to a broker soon about what to do with them.  These shares can be worth a lot of money, but they also have serious tax issues you should understand before buying them.  A friend of mine got hit with a $30,000 (!) tax on options he exercised, which was worth more than the actual value of the shares on the market.  So don&apos;t touch them until you talk to an expert.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:25:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xil</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#134853</link>	
		<description>You seriously don&apos;t need a broker to find out the basics of what options are about... and in fact, I would recommend understanding the basics before you go talk to a broker, who is only going to be interested in extracting as many commissions from you for as long as possible.  It just isn&apos;t rocket science.&lt;br&gt;
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Did you try google first?  Searching for &quot;employee stock option FAQ&quot; yields lots of useful places to start reading, although I recommend ignoring anyone who looks they&apos;re trying to sell you something (at least to start).  Or go to the library and find a book or two about personal finance.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:34:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethereal Bligh</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#134947</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ll assume this is just a regular employee option type.&lt;br&gt;
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In general, an option is the right to buy a certificate of stock at a set price.  When you were granted the block of 250 options in May of 2002, that price was set.&lt;br&gt;
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I don&apos;t know what the statement means when it says that the income on the options is $12.295 because you won&apos;t have &quot;income&quot; on the options until you&apos;ve actually gone ahead and purchased the stock at that set price.  (Is the 12.295 your exercise price?)&lt;br&gt;
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Usually, you can exercise (purchase) your options whenever you want--right away, even--but you &lt;i&gt;can&apos;t sell&lt;/i&gt; the resulting stock until it&apos;s &lt;i&gt;vested&lt;/i&gt;.  That happens on a schedule.  The simplest schedule would be a certain % of the option grant every X months.&lt;br&gt;
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Assuming you&apos;re in the US, there are profound tax implications for all this.&lt;br&gt;
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Why would you exercise on an option before you were able to sell it, considering that the exercise price is the same?  Isn&apos;t that a silly thing to do with your money?  Well, in the US, you incur a tax liability when you exercise a stock option, assuming that the current market value of the stock is higher than the option amount.  The difference, if this is a regular employee option grant, is viewed by the IRS as &lt;i&gt;regular income&lt;/i&gt;, just as if your employer had paid it to you in a paycheck.  Well, the thing is that if you exercise on your options right when you get them, then they&apos;ll probably be worth the same or close to your &quot;strike&quot; (exercise) price.  So, it wouldn&apos;t amount to a lot of taxable income, if any.  On the other hand, if you don&apos;t exercise those options and the stock greatly increases in value, then upon exercise (&lt;i&gt;not sale!&lt;/i&gt;) you&apos;ll be liable for the tax on the difference as regular income.&lt;br&gt;
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Any stock you&apos;ve &quot;vested&quot; is stock you&apos;d be allowed to sell if you exercise the option on it.  Depending upon how long you&apos;ve held the stock &lt;i&gt;since you&apos;ve purchased it&lt;/i&gt;, any gains you make from it when you sell it will be taxed as a capital gain.&lt;br&gt;
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So, to summarize.  An option has a &quot;strike price&quot;, which is how much you&apos;d have to pay to exercise the option--that is, to buy a share of stock.  There is, at any given moment, a fair market value for that share of stock, and it may well be different than your exercise price.  Vested stock is stock that you&apos;d be able to sell now if you exercised on the option (or if you already have).  When you exercise, the difference between your exercise price and the fair market value is &lt;i&gt;taxable income&lt;/i&gt;.  When you sell, the difference between the fair market value at the time you exercised and your sale price is a capital gain or loss.  How long you hold an exercised option before selling determines what kind of capgain it&apos;ll be (i.e., how it&apos;s taxed).&lt;br&gt;
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Unless those options are transferable, they don&apos;t have a salable value until you exercise on them.&lt;br&gt;
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Options that are &quot;underwater&quot; are options that are priced higher than the current fair market value of the stock.  Something not uncommon for option grants granted in 1999 through 2001.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:17:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ethereal Bligh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: NortonDC</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135122</link>	
		<description>&quot;Well, the thing is that if you exercise on your options right when you get them, then they&apos;ll probably be worth the same or close to your &quot;strike&quot; (exercise) price. So, it wouldn&apos;t amount to a lot of taxable income, if any. On the other hand, if you don&apos;t exercise those options and the stock greatly increases in value, then upon exercise (not sale!) you&apos;ll be liable for the tax on the difference as regular income.&quot;&lt;br&gt;
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But if you exercise early and the stock goes up, then you&apos;re &lt;strong&gt;still&lt;/strong&gt; liable for taxes, in the form of capital gains taxes (as you indicate).  Given that, I don&apos;t see any good ethical (non-insider trading) case for exercising until the moment you are ready to sell.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:30:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kindall</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135135</link>	
		<description>Aside from the fact that the capital gains tax is a lot lower than the income tax, you mean...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:43:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NortonDC</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135136</link>	
		<description>That&apos;s not a given, is it?  The dollar amount comes into play.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:55:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethereal Bligh</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135156</link>	
		<description>You&apos;d have to be in a relatively low marginal tax bracket for capgains to be higher than income tax.  What is it these days?  The Repubs want to eliminate it entirely.&lt;br&gt;
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But in my case, my exercised options were income all in the &lt;i&gt;highest&lt;/i&gt; marginal tax bracket, whatever that was.  (My tax bill one year was six figures.)  I wish I had known to exercise when I&apos;d got the options.  Besides which, if you exercise and hold them for, um, three years or something, they turn into long-term capgains, which is lower.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 03:30:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ethereal Bligh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mkultra</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135174</link>	
		<description>One &lt;b&gt;very important&lt;/b&gt;, from a tax standpoint, distinction is whether your options are &quot;non-qualified&quot;. If they are, there are fairly convoluted tax implications that can end up burning you if you&apos;re not careful.&lt;br&gt;
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If your company is publicly traded, they should be providing you with access to a broker to handle the transactions- in fact, they may be requiring you to go through a specific broker for the initial conversion to stock.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 07:14:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kindall</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135191</link>	
		<description>The big savings doesn&apos;t come from the income tax rate vs. the capital gains tax rate, it comes from the fact that you don&apos;t have to pay self-employment tax on capital gains. If it was treated as income, you would -- and that&apos;s over 15%, being both the employee&apos;s and the the employer&apos;s portion of Social Security (FICA). Even if your employer paid the employer&apos;s portion (and they wouldn&apos;t on options) that&apos;s still 7.65% you&apos;d save above and beyond the difference in tax rate.&lt;br&gt;
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So, yes, definitely purchase as close to the strike price as possible, to minimize the income tax you have to pay and to treat the majority of any increase in value as a capital gain. If you hold onto the options longer than a year, the money you earn becomes a &lt;i&gt;long-term&lt;/i&gt; capital gain and the tax rate falls even further.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ethereal Bligh</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135208</link>	
		<description>SS only taxes to 45K or thereabouts.  Most people who get options are probably making at least that much in salary.&lt;br&gt;
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So, again, the big savings for most everyone in this situation would be converting it to capgains from income, and also converting it from short-term to long-term capgains.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:34:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ethereal Bligh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: NortonDC</title>
		<link>http://ask.metafilter.com/6591/How-do-I-use-my-stock-options#135428</link>	
		<description>SS taxes apply to the first $87,000 made in a year.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:39:41 -0800</pubDate>
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