Comments on: The reverse-Goldilocks phenomenon

Question: The reverse-Goldilocks phenomenon

Jaltcoh — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:25:48 -0800

Why do people seem to prefer food that's very cold or very hot to food that's more of a medium temperature?

You often hear: "Don't let your dinner [or coffee, etc.] get cold!" "Oh no, this beer [or soda, etc.] is warm!"

On the positive side, people love a "nice cold [beverage]" or a "piping hot [meal]," whereas you don't hear people exulting over a "nice lukewarm [anything]."

To be sure, there are exceptions. Cheese is good at room temperature, for instance. But for the most part, there seems to be a universally shared understanding that there's something special about foods and beverages that are either very hot or very cold, and that they shouldn't be allowed to drift into the middle zone.

Why? Is there any scientific basis for this?

By: Loto

Loto — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:32:13 -0800

Hot and food cold, I'm assuming, contain less bacterial growth than lukewarm food, assuming the foods are either cold because they were refrigerated or hot because they were cooked. Might be why it is preferred.

By: BeaverTerror

BeaverTerror — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:33:13 -0800

I disagree. I put hot food in the freezer till they're lukewarm before I consume it.

The only cold foods that I enjoy are the ones that are necessarily so, like icecream and cold beverages.

By: waterlily

waterlily — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:35:39 -0800

In part because temperature can change the taste of some foods, so they just don't taste as good lukewarm as they do hot or cold. The texture of food changes as it cools/warms too, and that can definitely decrease the enjoyability.

By: frogan

frogan — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:44:08 -0800

Dovetailing off what waterlily is saying ... There's more to sensory perception than just taste. Mouth feel is an important consideration. Melted ice cream is nearly the same as frozen, but the cold contributes to the mouth feel.

By: nebulawindphone

nebulawindphone — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:01:59 -0800

Well, does anyone ever ask for a nice bland bowl of anything? Up to a certain point, we like sensory extremes.

By: Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:13:16 -0800

Hot food really isn't all that hot, anyways.

By: Clyde Mnestra

Clyde Mnestra — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:14:37 -0800

You often hear: "Don't let your dinner [or coffee, etc.] get cold!" "Oh no, this beer [or soda, etc.] is warm!"

On the positive side, people love a "nice cold [beverage]" or a "piping hot [meal]," whereas you don't hear people exulting over a "nice lukewarm [anything]."

I'd distinguish between the prevalence of remarks like this and whether people are driven to hot or cold food. I'd assume that if people like things at room temperature, they don't think it's necessary to add detail. Lots of people ask for bread, cheese, water, salad, cake, cookies, etc., and don't feel the need to specify.

People prefer different temperatures because it affects consistency, taste, safety, and comfort -- and I expect it's hard to isolate one factor.

By: icollectpurses

icollectpurses — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:18:02 -0800

When the weather is cold, or even gloomy, I crave something hot and hearty like a stew or a good soup. It warms me up, physically as well as psychologically. As to why can depend on what I ate growing up, and what I believe would make me feel better on certain situations based on my bringing up. Cold food also cools you off as you know.

When it comes to coffee or beverage, the temperature bringings out the flavor even more. A nice hot tea is very soothing where as room temperature or even warm beverage is just a thirst quencher. A nice cold iced coffee awakens your senses...sort of a shock to your body.

To me anyway...

By: frobozz

frobozz — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:47:49 -0800

Well, does anyone ever ask for a nice bland bowl of anything?

Me. Also, I only drink Coke at room temperature. I think that's because I don't especially like the way it tastes, and the taste is less syrupy at room temperature, to me. So I guess that falls in line with "extremes of temperatures bring out certain flavors." (Dr. Pepper, however, must be cold.)

By: Clyde Mnestra

Clyde Mnestra — Fri, 25 May 2007 21:57:03 -0800

Well, does anyone ever ask for a nice bland bowl of anything?

Four out of five children. The fifth is pre-verbal.

By: kisch mokusch

kisch mokusch — Fri, 25 May 2007 22:13:29 -0800

The abstract for the paper that waterlily's link is talking about.

Haven't read the article (no access from home), so can't comment on how good the work is, but it's fair to say that at least some scientists think there is a scientific basis for the phenomena (as opposed to, say, social conditioning).

As for the why, well, that's a bit trickier. It's possible to make evolutionary arguments for almost anything (they're fun intellectual exercises), but they're impossible to prove.

By: iamkimiam

iamkimiam — Fri, 25 May 2007 23:33:25 -0800

perceived freshness.

By: Citizen Premier

Citizen Premier — Fri, 25 May 2007 23:59:29 -0800

Well, does anyone ever ask for a nice bland bowl of anything?

I hope this isn't too off topic, but yes, I sometimes crave a bowl of plain rice or some rice cakes or plain white bread. I think this mostly happens when I'm depressed, though.

By: IndigoRain

IndigoRain — Sat, 26 May 2007 00:21:52 -0800

My mom worked with a lady who, if she went to get food on her lunch break, she'd bring it back to the office and heat it more in the microwave. She said she needed her food to be really hot when she ate it, or else she felt sick. She didn't know why.

By: quadog

quadog — Sat, 26 May 2007 00:47:18 -0800

room temperature foods = snacks
hot/cold food = a real meal

snacks = something that tides you over between meals
meals = a deeper fulfillment on the base item of Maslow's hierarchy of needs

By: Alt F4

Alt F4 — Sat, 26 May 2007 05:48:11 -0800

It's Biblical ... So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Sat, 26 May 2007 07:41:26 -0800

Personally, I can't stand the smell of tomato products at room temperature and below. Cold lasagna or tomato sauce makes me want to hurl. Heat it up for a few minutes, and I love it.

So part of it may be the way that the food reacts to the temperature, rather than just our preferences.

By: theora55

theora55 — Sat, 26 May 2007 08:11:31 -0800

Have to have my coffee hot to start, but I'll drink it room temp. Tastes much better hot. If cold, it requires sugar to be palatable.

I'll eat cooked steak, roast beef and probably other meats hot, lukewarm or cold. Sausage is better hot because I don't like cold fat, although I like salami. If I stop liking cold salami because of this thread, you're in big trouble.

I like cooked veggies at lots of different temps. I think cold, cooked, esp. fried, eggs, are not very yummy, except hard boiled.

I don't love icecold beer. Cold, but not frosty, for most chilled bevs is my preference.

interesting question.

By: signal

signal — Sat, 26 May 2007 09:50:12 -0800

Sushi.

By: Oriole Adams

Oriole Adams — Sat, 26 May 2007 10:07:28 -0800

Lots of us were brought up to adhere to the adage "Keep the hot foods hot and the cold foods cold." Subconsciously, we think that any food left out to get lukewarm is probably crawling with bacteria. Plus, to me, lukewarm means either re-heated leftover or just plain old because it's been sitting out for a while.

By: StickyCarpet

StickyCarpet — Sun, 27 May 2007 10:50:10 -0800

May be related to the fact that gray is the worst color for food.